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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 24, 2020 17:48:41 GMT
Love it. Club completely shown up here. Rupps plan to slash the budget and blame a poor squad on the EFL restrictions completely exposed for what it is - money saving. Look forward to the first T&A article saying how it’s not the clubs fault and it’s EFLs fault for playing silly buggers and that other clubs who were clearly happy to take the “risk” were being reckless Bury impersonaters. What a set of amateurs, honestly. Its already been done, Parker did a piece a couple of hours ago and the usual propaganda outlets piggy backed all over Sparks
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Post by edin on Jul 24, 2020 18:32:26 GMT
Noticed Sparks has recently stated today he might need a break from social media.
Hopefully its permanent
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Post by Lofty on Jul 24, 2020 18:41:29 GMT
Noticed Sparks has recently stated today he might need a break from social media. Hopefully its permanent Aye, soppy git. Happy as Larry when he's got the uber gompers sucking him off.
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Post by edin on Jul 24, 2020 18:50:06 GMT
Noticed Sparks has recently stated today he might need a break from social media. Hopefully its permanent Aye, soppy git. Happy as Larry when he's got the uber gompers sucking him off. Julian the meanies are out please can I come off twitter?
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Post by fish on Jul 24, 2020 19:02:46 GMT
Noticed Sparks has recently stated today he might need a break from social media. Hopefully its permanent oh no, how are we going to cope without our daily propaganda tweets.
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Post by Dick on Jul 26, 2020 8:34:59 GMT
Nice to see someone on the twitter prodding Ryan about this. The season starts in 6 weeks, you'd have thought they'd have a date by now, even with the EFL as shit as they are.
Speaking of the 'principle partnership' tweet, 'Bradford College on board with Bantams'? That's not even proper English...
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Post by mikehunt on Jul 26, 2020 10:05:02 GMT
'Bradford College on board with Bantams'? That's not even proper English... It is if Bradford College is on a ship with some Bantams, the chicken things. Granted that’s unlikely.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 26, 2020 10:08:22 GMT
Nice to see someone on the twitter prodding Ryan about this. The season starts in 6 weeks, you'd have thought they'd have a date by now, even with the EFL as shit as they are. Speaking of the 'principle partnership' tweet, 'Bradford College on board with Bantams'? That's not even proper English... That was me. Its not like its holding us back or anything....
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Aug 6, 2020 17:57:25 GMT
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Post by Hobhead on Aug 6, 2020 18:15:25 GMT
Getting their objections in in timely fashion.
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Post by Hobhead on Aug 6, 2020 18:19:21 GMT
Fucking hell, the whole thing wouldn’t stand up to a challenge from the PFA if this is true:
Might as well forget this cap for the foreseeable future and get about our business.
Abiding by rules not yet in force is predictably turning out to be not a very shrewd move for more than one reason. Why were we in such a rush to stick to a future salary cap? That’s a rhetorical question; we all know why.
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Post by Neshead on Aug 6, 2020 18:39:19 GMT
Fucking hell, the whole thing wouldn’t stand up to a challenge from the PFA if this is true: Might as well forget this cap for the foreseeable future and get about our business. Abiding by rules not yet in force is predictably turning out to be not a very shrewd move for more than one reason. Why were we in such a rush to stick to a future salary cap? That’s a rhetorical question; we all know why. They haven't consulted with the very association that this involves the most. But hey, at least we won't end up like Bury. Or Salford or Bolton in the squad stakes by the looks of it.
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Post by mikehunt on Aug 6, 2020 22:44:43 GMT
Fucking hell, the whole thing wouldn’t stand up to a challenge from the PFA if this is true: Might as well forget this cap for the foreseeable future and get about our business. Abiding by rules not yet in force is predictably turning out to be not a very shrewd move for more than one reason. Why were we in such a rush to stick to a future salary cap? That’s a rhetorical question; we all know why. You haven’t seen the proposal from the EFL though. It’s impossible for there to be a legal challenge. Ryan has seen it and he said so. 🙄🙄
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Post by Hobhead on Aug 7, 2020 6:39:59 GMT
Fucking hell, the whole thing wouldn’t stand up to a challenge from the PFA if this is true: Might as well forget this cap for the foreseeable future and get about our business. Abiding by rules not yet in force is predictably turning out to be not a very shrewd move for more than one reason. Why were we in such a rush to stick to a future salary cap? That’s a rhetorical question; we all know why. You haven’t seen the proposal from the EFL though. It’s impossible for there to be a legal challenge. Ryan has seen it and he said so. 🙄🙄 I think I know who I’d sooner trust, the guy that’s sat in the meetings rather than an anonymous Twitter account. This was all so fucking predictable. Straight off the bat it was obvious that penalising clubs for signings made before the rules came into force wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny and sure enough it turns out that any signings made before the cap would go through at the league average. This means that choosing to preemptively abide by the cap was to disadvantage ourselves by not being able to use our larger than average possible budget. This despite the club complaining that the implementation of the cap would disadvantage us as we wouldn’t be able to use our larger than average budget. So, we’re against the cap and will try to vote it down because it’s harmful to us as a club but we’ll choose to abide by an apparently harmful policy before it comes into effect because we fear the consequences of not doing so could be damaging. Then, to no one’s surprise, it turns out there can’t be detrimental consequences for breaking the cap before it exists but in the meantime we’ve allowed ourselves to be governed by it anyway despite the club openly saying it’s harmful to us. By following the path we did we ensured that no matter what happened the club was going to suffer. Now we find out that not only are the particulars flimsy and open to obvious challenge but the whole thing has been implemented without consulting the PFA which, in turn, gives grounds for legally declaring the entire policy null and void. How fucking shrewd were we? Getting our house in order before the cap came into effect was presented as the pragmatic approach when in reality we’ve put ourselves at a disadvantage to clubs that were quick to see and predict the loopholes and take advantage of them. Mansfield, for example, are riding roughshod over any future financial constraints while publicly saying they’ll vote for the salary cap. They appear to have been relying for a while now on a) any preemptive signings not being subject to the same financial limitations and b) other clubs being dumb enough to hold back and operate a wait and see policy. They seem to be gambling on two or three seasons of themselves and a handful of others outspending the rest of the league who are paralysed by the threat of future sanctions. It’s a form of short term, league-sanctioned and enforced financial doping. Shrewd? If they go up in the next two or three season it is but it’s definitely shrewder than sitting on their hands and following regulations that aren’t in place and that you, as a club, are apparently steadfastly against. This is the result of a club with a disinterested chairman seeing the cap as an opportunity to tighten the purse strings even further while laying the blame at the feet of the EFL and all the clubs voting for the cap. It’s also shortsighted in that our first reaction was to supinely follow regulations that aren’t in force when we ought to be motivated to look for ways to circumvent them by the fact that we are apparently so dead set against the regulations. It doesn’t look good. It looks to lack balls. What we’re effectively saying here is, we’re against the very idea of a cap and we’ll vote against it but, in the meantime, we’ll abide by it just in case it does come into force despite the fact that there’s glaring loopholes that even an ‘anonymous internet forum’ can spot inside the first five minutes of scrutiny. Whichever way you slice it this has been an embarrassing episode for the club and it’s exposed our lack of motivation. Our first instinct should have been to look for ways around the cap, instead we followed the rules just in case. It’s weak.
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Post by Hoochy on Aug 7, 2020 8:28:57 GMT
You haven’t seen the proposal from the EFL though. It’s impossible for there to be a legal challenge. Ryan has seen it and he said so. 🙄🙄 I think I know who I’d sooner trust, the guy that’s sat in the meetings rather than an anonymous Twitter account. This was all so fucking predictable. Straight off the bat it was obvious that penalising clubs for signings made before the rules came into force wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny and sure enough it turns out that any signings made before the cap would go through at the league average. This means that choosing to preemptively abide by the cap was to disadvantage ourselves by not being able to use our larger than average possible budget. This despite the club complaining that the implementation of the cap would disadvantage us as we wouldn’t be able to use our larger than average budget. So, we’re against the cap and will try to vote it down because it’s harmful to us as a club but we’ll choose to abide by an apparently harmful policy before it comes into effect because we fear the consequences of not doing so could be damaging. Then, to no one’s surprise, it turns out there can’t be detrimental consequences for breaking the cap before it exists but in the meantime we’ve allowed ourselves to be governed by it anyway despite the club openly saying it’s harmful to us. By following the path we did we ensured that no matter what happened the club was going to suffer. Now we find out that not only are the particulars flimsy and open to obvious challenge but the whole thing has been implemented without consulting the PFA which, in turn, gives grounds for legally declaring the entire policy null and void. How fucking shrewd were we? Getting our house in order before the cap came into effect was presented as the pragmatic approach when in reality we’ve put ourselves at a disadvantage to clubs that were quick to see and predict the loopholes and take advantage of them. Mansfield, for example, are riding roughshod over any future financial constraints while publicly saying they’ll vote for the salary cap. They appear to have been relying for a while now on a) any preemptive signings not being subject to the same financial limitations and b) other clubs being dumb enough to hold back and operate a wait and see policy. They seem to be gambling on two or three seasons of themselves and a handful of others outspending the rest of the league who are paralysed by the threat of future sanctions. It’s a form of short term, league-sanctioned and enforced financial doping. Shrewd? If they go up in the next two or three season it is but it’s definitely shrewder than sitting on their hands and following regulations that aren’t in place and that you, as a club, are apparently steadfastly against. This is the result of a club with a disinterested chairman seeing the cap as an opportunity to tighten the purse strings even further while laying the blame at the feet of the EFL and all the clubs voting for the cap. It’s also shortsighted in that our first reaction was to supinely follow regulations that aren’t in force when we ought to be motivated to look for ways to circumvent them by the fact that we are apparently so dead set against the regulations. It doesn’t look good. It looks to lack balls. What we’re effectively saying here is, we’re against the very idea of a cap and we’ll vote against it but, in the meantime, we’ll abide by it just in case it does come into force despite the fact that there’s glaring loopholes that even an ‘anonymous internet forum’ can spot inside the first five minutes of scrutiny. Whichever way you slice it this has been an embarrassing episode for the club and it’s exposed our lack of motivation. Our first instinct should have been to look for ways around the cap, instead we followed the rules just in case. It’s weak. He's bullying Ryan again. 😔
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Post by Hobhead on Aug 7, 2020 10:19:51 GMT
Again?! It wasn’t me the first time.
Besides, it won’t be Sparks that set the strategy.
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Post by Fat Ade on Aug 7, 2020 10:24:56 GMT
You haven’t seen the proposal from the EFL though. It’s impossible for there to be a legal challenge. Ryan has seen it and he said so. 🙄🙄 I think I know who I’d sooner trust, the guy that’s sat in the meetings rather than an anonymous Twitter account. This was all so fucking predictable. Straight off the bat it was obvious that penalising clubs for signings made before the rules came into force wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny and sure enough it turns out that any signings made before the cap would go through at the league average. This means that choosing to preemptively abide by the cap was to disadvantage ourselves by not being able to use our larger than average possible budget. This despite the club complaining that the implementation of the cap would disadvantage us as we wouldn’t be able to use our larger than average budget. So, we’re against the cap and will try to vote it down because it’s harmful to us as a club but we’ll choose to abide by an apparently harmful policy before it comes into effect because we fear the consequences of not doing so could be damaging. Then, to no one’s surprise, it turns out there can’t be detrimental consequences for breaking the cap before it exists but in the meantime we’ve allowed ourselves to be governed by it anyway despite the club openly saying it’s harmful to us. By following the path we did we ensured that no matter what happened the club was going to suffer. Now we find out that not only are the particulars flimsy and open to obvious challenge but the whole thing has been implemented without consulting the PFA which, in turn, gives grounds for legally declaring the entire policy null and void. How fucking shrewd were we? Getting our house in order before the cap came into effect was presented as the pragmatic approach when in reality we’ve put ourselves at a disadvantage to clubs that were quick to see and predict the loopholes and take advantage of them. Mansfield, for example, are riding roughshod over any future financial constraints while publicly saying they’ll vote for the salary cap. They appear to have been relying for a while now on a) any preemptive signings not being subject to the same financial limitations and b) other clubs being dumb enough to hold back and operate a wait and see policy. They seem to be gambling on two or three seasons of themselves and a handful of others outspending the rest of the league who are paralysed by the threat of future sanctions. It’s a form of short term, league-sanctioned and enforced financial doping. Shrewd? If they go up in the next two or three season it is but it’s definitely shrewder than sitting on their hands and following regulations that aren’t in place and that you, as a club, are apparently steadfastly against. This is the result of a club with a disinterested chairman seeing the cap as an opportunity to tighten the purse strings even further while laying the blame at the feet of the EFL and all the clubs voting for the cap. It’s also shortsighted in that our first reaction was to supinely follow regulations that aren’t in force when we ought to be motivated to look for ways to circumvent them by the fact that we are apparently so dead set against the regulations. It doesn’t look good. It looks to lack balls. What we’re effectively saying here is, we’re against the very idea of a cap and we’ll vote against it but, in the meantime, we’ll abide by it just in case it does come into force despite the fact that there’s glaring loopholes that even an ‘anonymous internet forum’ can spot inside the first five minutes of scrutiny. Whichever way you slice it this has been an embarrassing episode for the club and it’s exposed our lack of motivation. Our first instinct should have been to look for ways around the cap, instead we followed the rules just in case. It’s weak. The thing is, isn’t what you have just written be something that McKeown should have written at the time we started to hear about it. If he isn’t just a propaganda machine for the club, then surely you’d expect that he would be alerting the fans that the club at best have misunderstood or at worst are having the wool pulled over their eyes. For me, it’s more evidence he is part of the communication arm of the club and is another reason why we never seem to move forward. It’s the constant dumbing down of any opinion that doesn’t tow the party line when it is obvious that the current situation is damaging the club. The fans need to force change and the club will have to listen if they aren’t happy with the potential of lower ticket sales. I am not saying that this is easy by any stretch of the imagination but even with a small amount of a demonstrable plan in place then people will back it....I would.
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Post by Dick on Aug 7, 2020 10:40:54 GMT
The fans need to force change and the club will have to listen if they aren’t happy with the potential of lower ticket sales. I am not saying that this is easy by any stretch of the imagination but even with a small amount of a demonstrable plan in place then people will back it....I would. Do you think we're in a better or worse position in general that when we went down in 2007? I reckon we're about the same, except now we have a Twitter account and an owner who has no interest in the club other that what interest he has on the loan we need to pay him... When we were relegated in 2019 we were like that chav lottery winner who blew everything - we had nothing to show for it. Now we're 13 long years from that original relegation and we have nothing. You can just see the next 5, 10, 15 years mirroring the efforts from 2007 - same approach to signings, training, scouting, development... Throw in a promotion and good seasons here and there but the foundations are weak as piss and the plan seems to be survive one season at a time. Putting up with nothing between 2007-2012, we we get promoted and start doing things the right way for 4-5 years, but all the while it was built on absolutely nothing - then it got found out at great cost. That's what hurts the fans the most, IMO. Nothing to show and back where we started.
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Post by Hobhead on Aug 7, 2020 10:49:37 GMT
There’s nobody holding the club to account. Jason pretty much takes commissions from the club; ‘season ticket sales not going well? Put in an order for a series of articles reminding fans ‘Why We Love City’. The Supporters Trust are inept and have lost all credibility with City fans. Of the rest most seem to be more concerned with their own standing and the perception fellow fans have of them as some sort of figurehead or totem than putting any form of pressure on the club. The whole ethos seems to be formulated around the notion that supporters support, no matter what. It’s #jgbtlffs sold as a product.
There’s no pressure to perform because the feedback is filtered through people already on the books or people who so enjoy having the club tickle their balls they’re terrified of losing their standing. Not only that, but these same people will jump to attention and circle the wagons when anyone does start holding the club’s feet to the flames. They’re acting as agents for the club and have successfully steered the narrative for years now. We’re not supposed to be here.
There’s nobody asking difficult questions of the club or its hierarchy and it creates an atmosphere of ‘it’ll do’ when it comes to formulating strategy. The only barometer of the popularity of their leadership left is season ticket sales and that’s skewed by the price. Maybe the whole reason for the cheap tickets is to give people who don’t want to be under any form of pressure something to hide behind. Season ticket sales are the thread by which all this hangs now and another couple of seasons of the dross we’ve suffered for too long now and that thread snaps. The club should recognise this and start demonstrating something to the fans that would show some form of long term direction that would at least buy them time. Instead we’ve got ‘Stuart’s iPad and more of the same to look forward to.
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Post by Dick on Aug 7, 2020 10:58:21 GMT
There’s nobody holding the club to account. Jason pretty much takes commissions from the club; ‘season ticket sales not going well? Put in an order for a series of articles reminding fans ‘Why We Love City’. The Supporters Trust are inept and have lost all credibility with City fans. Of the rest most seem to be more concerned with their own standing and the perception fellow fans have of them as some sort of figurehead or totem than putting any form of pressure on the club. The whole ethos seems to be formulated around the notion that supporters support, no matter what. It’s #jgbtlffs sold as a product. There’s no pressure to perform because the feedback is filtered through people already on the books or people who so enjoy having the club tickle their balls they’re terrified of losing their standing. Not only that, but these same people will jump to attention and circle the wagons when anyone does start holding the club’s feet to the flames. They’re acting as agents for the club and have successfully steered the narrative for years now. We’re not supposed to be here. There’s nobody asking difficult questions of the club or its hierarchy and it creates an atmosphere of ‘it’ll do’ when it comes to formulating strategy. The only barometer of the popularity of their leadership left is season ticket sales and that’s skewed by the price. Maybe the whole reason for the cheap tickets is to give people who don’t want to be under any form of pressure something to hide behind. Season ticket sales are the thread by which all this hangs now and another couple of seasons of the dross we’ve suffered for too long now and that thread snaps. The club should recognise this and start demonstrating something to the fans that would show some form of long term direction that would at least buy them time. Instead we’ve got ‘Stuart’s iPad and more of the same to look forward to. They're trying the whole 'City for all' campaign at the moment, kind of like the 'Bantams Family' mentality to try and garner some kind on unity between a divided fanbase - one part of that being season ticket sales. Fans were not impressed with the January window and have the luxury now of being able to wait until the summer window is over before committing any money to the club. It says a lot to me we've barely seen anything from the players over the summer apart from the forum. Even with the kit launch they couldn't get a player to wear one, and if anything Ryan Sparks seems to be almost doing that kind of interaction, he's certainly more recognisable that half the players at the moment. I think the last resort for ST sales will be guilt, from the manager, Sparks, the owner, maybe a player. You can see a desperate promotional campaign to make the fans feel guilty, almost make threats about the precarious finances and position of the club at the moment, more so because of Covid.
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