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Post by Dick on Jun 30, 2020 14:37:25 GMT
So it looks like the club are growing a pair and voting against it. What effect it will have on the decision, who knows.
In terms of football, we struggled when we had bigger wage budgets than the others. I daren't think what we might be if we're all competing on the same level.
We're a one club city, one of the biggest cities in the country and the football team is on the same level as Barrow, Salford and Nailsworth. It feels more like we're non-league than a professional outfit.
If a cap is agreed, then aside from gompers and the wankers that go on real ale days out on vintage buses, I can't get how other would find enthusiasm and excitement for the standard of football and ambition we'll be witnessing next season.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jun 30, 2020 15:22:01 GMT
A salary cap would be useless without a squad size cap. Anyone with any talent will go and sit in the Brentford reserves for 10k a week.
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Post by mikehunt on Jun 30, 2020 15:55:22 GMT
A salary cap would be useless without a squad size cap. Anyone with any talent will go and sit in the Brentford reserves for 10k a week. That’s the proposal though isn’t it? Squad size of 20 but players U21 don’t count towards either squad size or salary cap limits
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Post by Hobhead on Jun 30, 2020 19:05:02 GMT
linkCould they make punishments retrospective? Would that actually stand up in any court? If we operate under the rules as they stand now why could we be subject to punishment for breaking rules that aren’t yet in force?
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Post by mikehunt on Jun 30, 2020 19:06:41 GMT
linkCould they make punishments retrospective? Would that actually stand up in any court? If we operate under the rules as they stand now why could we be subject to punishment for breaking rules that aren’t yet in force? Depends who can afford the better lawyers and barristers.
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Post by Hobhead on Jun 30, 2020 19:11:11 GMT
What about clubs relegated to League Two? So they immediately have to halve their wage budget?
Does this not make Leagues One and Two easy pickings for Championship and Premier League club’s? Players on as much as clubs are allowed to pay being tapped up by clubs with deep pockets and no such restrictions. Like it’s not weighted heavily enough in their favour.
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Post by Hobhead on Jun 30, 2020 19:12:31 GMT
linkCould they make punishments retrospective? Would that actually stand up in any court? If we operate under the rules as they stand now why could we be subject to punishment for breaking rules that aren’t yet in force? Depends who can afford the better lawyers and barristers. I just can’t see it standing up. It’s like a driver going through a forty mph speed camera and getting a ticket because they lowered the limit to thirty the following week.
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Post by mikehunt on Jun 30, 2020 19:30:26 GMT
Depends who can afford the better lawyers and barristers. I just can’t see it standing up. It’s like a driver going through a forty mph speed camera and getting a ticket because they lowered the limit to thirty the following week. Like F1 you need to have a glide path to the lower level or an exemption for contracts before a certain date, imagine if City had say Akpan, Doyle, Reeves and Riley on the books for another year, there’s half the salary cap gone. It can’t work unless you have something like that.
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Post by Hobhead on Jun 30, 2020 19:35:17 GMT
I just can’t see it standing up. It’s like a driver going through a forty mph speed camera and getting a ticket because they lowered the limit to thirty the following week. Like F1 you need to have a glide path to the lower level or an exemption for contracts before a certain date, imagine if City had say Akpan, Doyle, Reeves and Riley on the books for another year, there’s half the salary cap gone. It can’t work unless you have something like that. If that’s the case it’s in everyone’s interest to spend now. Quickly before the restrictions come in. We’ve decided to play by future rules now which makes me think I there must be something in the rules somehow to mandate it but, again, I just don’t see how that could withstand any sort of challenge.
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Post by slymutha on Jun 30, 2020 19:36:34 GMT
Its just a good job we have such a good youth setup...
A solid reserve team...
any reserve/u23 team???
Oh shit
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Post by Hobhead on Jun 30, 2020 19:39:03 GMT
Its just a good job we have such a good youth setup... A solid reserve team... any reserve/u24 team??? Oh shit We’re fucked. Clinging to the hope that we can be relatively successful by virtue of there being enough teams shitter than us. 😄
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Post by hobbes on Jun 30, 2020 19:51:39 GMT
Its just a good job we have such a good youth setup... A solid reserve team... any reserve/u24 team??? Oh shit One thought did occur to me while reading Sparks' comments just now - if you get a windfall like a player sale or cup run, you cant add it to your playing budget. But whenever we do get a windfall we (mostly) waste it on a bigger playing budget. Even the success of Parky was wasted cos it was built on sand. A club like us, with the potential to generate more income than Morecambe etc, plus any windfalls, if they're smart, would then actually invest in the infrastructure, the scouting set up, employ actual professionals in back room roles not fans or honorary directors etc. They could go about emulating the approach of yer Brentfords, in scouring the leagues for talent, or perhaps having the best academy in the lower leagues, a place where young kids know they've a chance of being developed, getting games then a move up the leagues. Ultimately it could, "could", be an opportunity for someone with vision to say "this is where we're heading. It might take time, but we have a goal and we're all working towards it" You create a well run outfit that players want to be part of. They cant get more money elsewhere in the division so you can sell the club to them in other ways. Out of interest, would transfer fees paid out be included in the cap?
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jun 30, 2020 20:36:24 GMT
Its just a good job we have such a good youth setup... A solid reserve team... any reserve/u24 team??? Oh shit One thought did occur to me while reading Sparks' comments just now - if you get a windfall like a player sale or cup run, you cant add it to your playing budget. But whenever we do get a windfall we (mostly) waste it on a bigger playing budget. Even the success of Parky was wasted cos it was built on sand. A club like us, with the potential to generate more income than Morecambe etc, plus any windfalls, if they're smart, would then actually invest in the infrastructure, the scouting set up, employ actual professionals in back room roles not fans or honorary directors etc. They could go about emulating the approach of yer Brentfords, in scouring the leagues for talent, or perhaps having the best academy in the lower leagues, a place where young kids know they've a chance of being developed, getting games then a move up the leagues. Ultimately it could, "could", be an opportunity for someone with vision to say "this is where we're heading. It might take time, but we have a goal and we're all working towards it" You create a well run outfit that players want to be part of. They cant get more money elsewhere in the division so you can sell the club to them in other ways. Out of interest, would transfer fees paid out be included in the cap? Except there’s no reasonable compensation for you the players you develop anymore, rich clubs can basically take them for nowt. It has to be a total squad size limit, none of this dicking about with u23s don’t count.
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Post by hobbes on Jun 30, 2020 21:16:37 GMT
One thought did occur to me while reading Sparks' comments just now - if you get a windfall like a player sale or cup run, you cant add it to your playing budget. But whenever we do get a windfall we (mostly) waste it on a bigger playing budget. Even the success of Parky was wasted cos it was built on sand. A club like us, with the potential to generate more income than Morecambe etc, plus any windfalls, if they're smart, would then actually invest in the infrastructure, the scouting set up, employ actual professionals in back room roles not fans or honorary directors etc. They could go about emulating the approach of yer Brentfords, in scouring the leagues for talent, or perhaps having the best academy in the lower leagues, a place where young kids know they've a chance of being developed, getting games then a move up the leagues. Ultimately it could, "could", be an opportunity for someone with vision to say "this is where we're heading. It might take time, but we have a goal and we're all working towards it" You create a well run outfit that players want to be part of. They cant get more money elsewhere in the division so you can sell the club to them in other ways. Out of interest, would transfer fees paid out be included in the cap? Except there’s no reasonable compensation for you the players you develop anymore, rich clubs can basically take them for nowt. It has to be a total squad size limit, none of this dicking about with u23s don’t count. Why couldn't you get fees for players you develop? Is that in the proposal?
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Post by benitocarbone on Jun 30, 2020 21:26:34 GMT
“We don’t want to delay our work in the market while we wait for a solution because that could be four weeks away”.
I thought that we weren’t making any signings until we knew when the season was going to start?
That quote is just another way of watering down expectations.
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Post by Lofty on Jun 30, 2020 21:43:35 GMT
I'm still laughing at the progressivism line.
This salary cap will halt our model of progressivism. This coming from a mid table League 2 club. 😐
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Post by benitocarbone on Jun 30, 2020 23:39:05 GMT
The club are taking us for mugs again. This is just another excuse for not spending money and not being competitive in the transfer market.
Do they seriously expect us to believe that the cap could be brought in on the eve of a season after clubs have done all their recruitment?
Surely if it was decided to bring one in that late in the day then it wouldn’t be for the impending season, it would be scheduled for in a years time.
Clubs would be given chance to get their houses in order first.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jul 1, 2020 7:05:36 GMT
Except there’s no reasonable compensation for you the players you develop anymore, rich clubs can basically take them for nowt. It has to be a total squad size limit, none of this dicking about with u23s don’t count. Why couldn't you get fees for players you develop? Is that in the proposal? Academy rules.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 1, 2020 7:12:38 GMT
The club are taking us for mugs again. This is just another excuse for not spending money and not being competitive in the transfer market. Do they seriously expect us to believe that the cap could be brought in on the eve of a season after clubs have done all their recruitment? Surely if it was decided to bring one in that late in the day then it wouldn’t be for the impending season, it would be scheduled for in a years time. Clubs would be given chance to get their houses in order first. This is what I’m thinking. It can’t be legal to restrict practices retrospectively. Am I right I’m thinking that people who go to court for historic crimes are sentenced according to the guidelines at the time of their transgression? If so, there’s your legal precedent.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 1, 2020 7:14:36 GMT
Why couldn't you get fees for players you develop? Is that in the proposal? Academy rules. It’s looking more and more like it’s by design. They can rob players from lower league academies for peanuts and now it’s being made harder for those same clubs to incentivise promising youth players to stay. We’ll be B Teams or a breakaway before the end and if I were betting it’d be on B teams.
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