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Post by Hobhead on Jul 1, 2020 7:27:17 GMT
Thinking about this does anyone else think that this could make clubs like ours more vulnerable to unscrupulous buyers? Any old chancer could come in, spend up to the salary cap and pocket any overs. Clubs with revenue below the salary cap become a completely different proposition to clubs like ours but us, we’re a tit for milking. This even incentivises an owner to keep us in League Two with a lower cap and similar income. If the salary cap doubles but income doesn’t rise by enough to cover it in League One then an owner using us for income would be daft to try for promotion.
When the money disappears the owner can just point to the salary cap and rightly say they’re not allowed to spend it. When it’s pointed out that the training ground, pitch or Valley Parade need investment they can fob us off with it being ‘in the pipeline’ while our useful idiots and gompers lap it up and decry anyone with an ounce of cynicism as not real fans. Thinking about it we’re ripe for it. Like a twink with no trousers locked in a set of stocks.
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Post by Nice boy on Jul 1, 2020 7:39:20 GMT
To sum up then, we’re strongly against the introduction of a salary cap due to its profound negative implications so we’re countering that by working under a salary cap anyway?
We might think that what we’re doing is for the better but the impact of working towards a minuscule budget with a squad that is already lopsided is shopping in the shit pool and playing catch-up with our rivals who didn’t choose to fuck themselves over.
Neither option A) Recruiting properly but possibly facing a point deduction later or option B) Recruiting towards an unworkable salary cap just in case is favorable, and both are likely to hider our progress. The difference between the 2 however is pretty fucking obvious.
Option A is nothing but pure speculation on our behalf. It may or may not happen and there’s every chance it won’t.
Option B on the other hand more or less seals our fate. Recruit towards a 1.5M budget or whatever it is and we can’t suddenly send the cheap shit back if we later establish that the EFL won’t actually be imposing a salary cap.
You’d think we’d go down the route that gives us atleast half a chance of making something of next season as opposed to the one where we’re immediately resigning ourselves to mediocrity but no. We’ve been given an excuse to go down the cheap route and we’ve taken it with both arms.
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Post by Dick on Jul 1, 2020 8:24:46 GMT
Thinking about this does anyone else think that this could make clubs like ours more vulnerable to unscrupulous buyers? Any old chancer could come in, spend up to the salary cap and pocket any overs. Clubs with revenue below the salary cap become a completely different proposition to clubs like ours but us, we’re a tit for milking. This even incentivises an owner to keep us in League Two with a lower cap and similar income. If the salary cap doubles but income doesn’t rise by enough to cover it in League One then an owner using us for income would be daft to try for promotion. When the money disappears the owner can just point to the salary cap and rightly say they’re not allowed to spend it. When it’s pointed out that the training ground, pitch or Valley Parade need investment they can fob us off with it being ‘in the pipeline’ while our useful idiots and gompers lap it up and decry anyone with an ounce of cynicism as not real fans. Thinking about it we’re ripe for it. Like a twink with no trousers locked in a set of stocks. I wondered also. Especially when so many wealthy sorts know how to be 'creative' when it comes to moving money around. Unless there's a crystal clear approach to finances, and - very unlikely - something like fans / representatives / a board voting on where it could spent if not on wages, anything could happen with it. What if we discover another McBurnie, we make £3m only in incentives only for it to get trousered after other basic income streams keep the wages going? Lawn and Rhodes lamented how expensive the Championship was - I recall them citing the amounts Millwall and Huddersfield needing from their owners just to tread water, amounts they would never put in themselves. There would be very few genuine owners who would operate under salary caps then should we reach the Championship suddenly have to put £15m of their own cash in just to compete.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 1, 2020 9:22:23 GMT
Haven't the pfa already said there's no chance of it going through because of the legality of it all ? It won't happen and it's just another excuse to fail from this pathetic shitshow of a club
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 1, 2020 10:01:28 GMT
Mansfield don’t seem to feel the need to curb spending just in case.
Mind you, they’ve signed Bowery and he’s atrocious. Point stands though, they don’t seem to be letting the threat of a cap stop them so what do they know that we don’t?
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Post by Dick on Jul 1, 2020 10:29:40 GMT
What do they know that we don’t? That Bradford City can't be expected to compete with the lofty likes of Mansfield.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jul 1, 2020 14:41:25 GMT
It’s legally impossible to start next year, you’d need at least a three year lead in or you’d suddenly put any club with a player on a three year contract into breach. Those claims are only going to make their way to the FA eventually.
We’re doing this cos we want to.
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Post by You can't beat a double dip on Jul 1, 2020 20:41:59 GMT
Only good thing I can see about this is that it would allow the club to invest more money into infrastructure rather than wasting it on wages of shit players which we’ve done for years.. although let’s be honest it’ll go down a black hole never to be seen again and some bullshit will be spouted about doing the right thing
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 1, 2020 20:45:13 GMT
Only good thing I can see about this is that it would allow the club to invest more money into infrastructure rather than wasting it on wages of shit players which we’ve done for years.. although let’s be honest it’ll go down a black hole never to be seen again and some bullshit will be spouted about doing the right thing It means you will need a great coach to coach and improve shit players and with Rhodes track record employing managers we will be down here for eternity
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jul 2, 2020 6:53:41 GMT
Only good thing I can see about this is that it would allow the club to invest more money into infrastructure rather than wasting it on wages of shit players which we’ve done for years.. although let’s be honest it’ll go down a black hole never to be seen again and some bullshit will be spouted about doing the right thing It means you will need a great coach to coach and improve shit players and with Rhodes track record employing managers we will be down here for eternity Tbf, that’s one area that McCall seems very good.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 2, 2020 7:02:58 GMT
It means you will need a great coach to coach and improve shit players and with Rhodes track record employing managers we will be down here for eternity Tbf, that’s one area that McCall seems very good. Really ? He's improved Marshall as far as I'm aware, who else? Certainly there's been no youth trained up under him.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jul 2, 2020 7:06:26 GMT
Tbf, that’s one area that McCall seems very good. Really ? He's improved Marshall as far as I'm aware, who else? Certainly there's been no youth trained up under him. Seems is probably the wrong word, has potential for would probably be more accurate.
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Post by mikehunt on Jul 2, 2020 7:31:34 GMT
Really ? He's improved Marshall as far as I'm aware, who else? Certainly there's been no youth trained up under him. Seems is probably the wrong word, has potential for would probably be more accurate. I have the potential to win the EuroMillions on Friday.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 2, 2020 7:38:43 GMT
Tbf, that’s one area that McCall seems very good. Really ? He's improved Marshall as far as I'm aware, who else? Certainly there's been no youth trained up under him. Did he really improve Marshall though? Parky never played him (probably for being too attacking) and all Stuart really did was assure him he’d get a chance and stuck to it. It’s the same situation as Chicksen being inexplicably picked ahead of Wood. Wood didn’t suddenly improve, he just got game time. I’m not convinced managers can be given credit for a player’s improvement in these situations. Picking the better player, fine, but improving them? Ninety percent of a player’s level is down to natural ability and the vast majority of a player’s improvement comes with maturity and experience. Manager’s can drill players in tactics and playing style but I think the idea that the ability of individual players is somehow greatly improved as a result of training drills is dubious at best. Managers get too much credit for players individual quality for me. It can be down to anything from the above mentioned maturity coming with age, experience with game time and even fluctuations in form. I’m just not convinced a manager can turn an average player to a good one with a few cones and a bib that says ‘muppet of the week’ on it.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 2, 2020 7:52:59 GMT
So there needs to be 9 clubs against the vote so who do we think could vote against ?
Us....self explanatory Bolton ...self explanatory Salford....self explanatory Tranmere... self explanatory Vale... 50/50 I reckon, shown a bit of willingness to spend lately but owners are cautious Mansfield .. already spending Orient... not many footballers will move to London on these wages Scunthorpe... Owner is always spending
Is there any more possible?
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 2, 2020 8:05:49 GMT
London wages is an interesting angle. Surely the astronomical cost of living there will put London clubs at a disadvantage if they’re on the same cap.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jul 2, 2020 8:32:35 GMT
London wages is an interesting angle. Surely the astronomical cost of living there will put London clubs at a disadvantage if they’re on the same cap. I wonder if they could subsidise their living costs, buy a house and give them it rent free or at a peppercorn while they’re playing, and still come in under the cap? Whoever that rugby union club were that were fiddling have shown it’s fairly easy to get around. I think they were using inflated image rights contracts or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 17:34:43 GMT
EFL can’t enforce the rules they have now. It will never work. What’s to stop a player joining a club on a salary cap, but has a ‘part time job’ with a sponsor for an additional income.
Here you are lad, £1000 a week to play for Salford and Becks will pay you £15,000 a week to cut his lawn....
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Post by Nice boy on Jul 6, 2020 9:05:31 GMT
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Post by fish on Jul 6, 2020 10:02:52 GMT
its really pissing me off. Every fucking day we're playing the victim card and moaning about the EFL or this salary cap. It's just a convenient excuse for us to have when the recruitment is predictably garbage and unprepared and the gompers will lap it up.
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