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Corona
Feb 15, 2021 15:30:07 GMT
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Post by bantam147 on Feb 15, 2021 15:30:07 GMT
Remember, the vaccine is NOT compulsory folks.
You know, unless you wanna be able go out and buy food and stuff.
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Post by jdc on Feb 15, 2021 19:51:34 GMT
Remember, the vaccine is NOT compulsory folks. You know, unless you wanna be able go out and buy food and stuff. Yep. If it's officially 'optional' but actually mandatory in practice then it's mandatory. There's two arguments here, and I'm not sure they've a case in either of them. Ethically, it's wrong to coerce someone into having a medical intervention. The principle of informed consent is an important one and shouldn't be brushed aside when it's inconvenient to you. Practically, we don't yet know if the vaccine stops transmission. It could be the case that a vaccine prevents serious illness and death but not infection and transmission. The only positive evidence I've seen so far suggests that vaccines reduce transmission by x% rather preventing it altogether. If there are vaccinated people wandering around with asymptomatic infections or common cold symptoms and they're assuming they don't have covid then there's nothing to stop people with vaccine passports infecting everyone in the pub/shop/wherever.
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Feb 16, 2021 9:13:26 GMT
Post by bantam147 on Feb 16, 2021 9:13:26 GMT
Remember, the vaccine is NOT compulsory folks. You know, unless you wanna be able go out and buy food and stuff. Yep. If it's officially 'optional' but actually mandatory in practice then it's mandatory. There's two arguments here, and I'm not sure they've a case in either of them. Ethically, it's wrong to coerce someone into having a medical intervention. The principle of informed consent is an important one and shouldn't be brushed aside when it's inconvenient to you. Practically, we don't yet know if the vaccine stops transmission. It could be the case that a vaccine prevents serious illness and death but not infection and transmission. The only positive evidence I've seen so far suggests that vaccines reduce transmission by x% rather preventing it altogether. If there are vaccinated people wandering around with asymptomatic infections or common cold symptoms and they're assuming they don't have covid then there's nothing to stop people with vaccine passports infecting everyone in the pub/shop/wherever. As much as I'm completely skeptical about the entire agenda that's playing out, I'm prepared to accept that international travel may have a dependency on either proving you're vaccinated or showing a negative test result at the time of travel (though that in itself is flawed as the potential for positive results to go up, to bump people towards getting the jab could be real). Certain countries have vaccination requirements for other stuff anyway. But the idea of needing a vaccine passport just to go about your daily life is fucking horrendous. It'd be the most facist, oppressive activity ever performed by the state. It'd be 1984 brought to life in the most real terms possible.
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Feb 18, 2021 7:35:49 GMT
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Post by edin on Feb 18, 2021 7:35:49 GMT
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Feb 18, 2021 21:32:45 GMT
Post by jdc on Feb 18, 2021 21:32:45 GMT
Home Office remake of that old anti-piracy ad for their Meeting Up Is Illegal campaign:
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Post by Hobhead on Feb 20, 2021 12:39:50 GMT
Taking the fucking piss:
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Post by bantam147 on Feb 20, 2021 13:59:27 GMT
Home Office remake of that old anti-piracy ad for their Meeting Up Is Illegal campaign: Meeting up is illegal. Did you ever think we’d see that statement being true in our lifetime? The freedoms we’ve lost, we’ve won’t get back. Even if everything reopens up again, there’ll always be the spectre that at the click of a finger, its gone again.
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Corona
Feb 20, 2021 14:23:28 GMT
Post by Neshead on Feb 20, 2021 14:23:28 GMT
Watched the NRL all stars game this morning in Australia, fans in the ground and people enjoying themselves. And we MIGHT let two households mix together. We have literally lost the plot now. We're gonna be stuck with restrictions till next year i'm telling ya.
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Post by jdc on Feb 20, 2021 15:15:32 GMT
It's not totally new, but it goes a lot further than previous legislation. They banned meetings of 20+ in 1994 with the Criminal Justice Act, when there was a moral panic about illegal raves. That act also changed your right to silence, gave police new rights to take DNA samples, and increased their stop-and-search powers.
2000 terrorism act added more police powers - detention without charge for 48hrs (up to 7 days if you asked a judge nicely), stop-and-search without reasonable suspicion of a crime, etc. This tells you everything you need to know about how police were using their powers from this act: "In 2009, over 100,000 searches were conducted under the powers, but none of these resulted in people being arrested for terrorism offences. 504 were arrested for other offences." 100,000 terrorism searches, 0 terrorism arrests.
I don't think we ever got rid of the 1994 restrictions but they did have to repeal s44 of the 2000 act when the ECHR ruled the stop-and-search powers illegal. Our only legal protection against the state comes from the 1998 HRA and the ECHR. Which is probably why politicians keep making noises about repealing the act and withdrawing from the ECHR. When they do this, they always talk about how the HRA stops them deporting foreign criminals who pose a threat to the British people (it actually doesn't but since when did truth matter) because that's a popular line with the public. We're fine with the removal of human rights because we always naively assume it won't apply to us.
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Corona
Feb 22, 2021 8:56:25 GMT
Post by bantam147 on Feb 22, 2021 8:56:25 GMT
Chatting to a woman at school this morning, who works in a care home. Apparently she's been told that unless she gets the vaccine, she'll have her position terminated.
'Not compulsory'.
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Feb 22, 2021 9:13:29 GMT
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Post by Hoochy on Feb 22, 2021 9:13:29 GMT
I've got to self test twice a week now. Just done the first one. Horrible. Didn't really do it properly because I can't stand the swab to the back of the throat.
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Post by Neshead on Feb 22, 2021 9:17:04 GMT
I've got to self test twice a week now. Just done the first one. Horrible. Didn't really do it properly because I can't stand the swab to the back of the throat. Theres a comedy cul-de-sac here wide open for a filthy innuendo.
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Feb 22, 2021 9:17:58 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Feb 22, 2021 9:17:58 GMT
I've got to self test twice a week now. Just done the first one. Horrible. Didn't really do it properly because I can't stand the swab to the back of the throat. Wife’s a teaching assistant and she’s the same. She doesn’t bother though and just says it was negative each time. They’ve never asked for any form of proof.
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Corona
Feb 22, 2021 9:20:56 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Feb 22, 2021 9:20:56 GMT
Chatting to a woman at school this morning, who works in a care home. Apparently she's been told that unless she gets the vaccine, she'll have her position terminated. 'Not compulsory'. Tell her to claim acute trypanophobia and all the associated anxiety. She can threaten to drop their trousers if they sack her then.
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Post by tetchyarse on Feb 22, 2021 9:26:51 GMT
I've got to self test twice a week now. Just done the first one. Horrible. Didn't really do it properly because I can't stand the swab to the back of the throat. Wife’s a teaching assistant and she’s the same. She doesn’t bother though and just says it was negative each time. They’ve never asked for any form of proof. The lateral flow test is only about 50% accurate anyway, so she may as well just toss a coin.
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Feb 22, 2021 9:37:15 GMT
Post by Neshead on Feb 22, 2021 9:37:15 GMT
I've got to self test twice a week now. Just done the first one. Horrible. Didn't really do it properly because I can't stand the swab to the back of the throat. Wife’s a teaching assistant and she’s the same. She doesn’t bother though and just says it was negative each time. They’ve never asked for any form of proof. 'Responsible for 100s of deaths etc' from the usual halfwits on twitter. If you saw of the absurd comment on there, literally people never wanting us to come out of lockdown stating 'but what if?' I despise these people with a passion.
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Post by Neshead on Feb 22, 2021 9:40:55 GMT
Chatting to a woman at school this morning, who works in a care home. Apparently she's been told that unless she gets the vaccine, she'll have her position terminated. 'Not compulsory'. Tell her to claim acute trypanophobia and all the associated anxiety. She can threaten to drop their trousers if they sack her then. This is how absurd its got, wife works at Sainsburys and they got to wear body cams now as the abuse to staff has got that bad. This is what lockdown is doing, its a deliberate social experiment designed to do this. Give me the fucking jab and let try and live to some sort normality again. Every time i see yet another professor pipe up with more scare tactics i want to give them a kicking.
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Feb 22, 2021 9:46:25 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Feb 22, 2021 9:46:25 GMT
Wife’s a teaching assistant and she’s the same. She doesn’t bother though and just says it was negative each time. They’ve never asked for any form of proof. 'Responsible for 100s of deaths etc' from the usual halfwits on twitter. If you saw of the absurd comment on there, literally people never wanting us to come out of lockdown stating 'but what if?' I despise these people with a passion. A handful of people stood too close equals deaths in fourteen days time. It’s some number they’ve done. I realise they need to keep peopl compliant and the easiest way to do it is to keep them scared but fuck me have they relied on that tactic too heavily. It’s terrifying how easily controlled people can be with the simple introduction of a bogeyman.
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Post by Hobhead on Feb 22, 2021 9:53:36 GMT
Tell her to claim acute trypanophobia and all the associated anxiety. She can threaten to drop their trousers if they sack her then. This is how absurd its got, wife works at Sainsburys and they got to wear body cams now as the abuse to staff has got that bad. This is what lockdown is doing, its a deliberate social experiment designed to do this. Give me the fucking jab and let try and live to some sort normality again. Every time i see yet another professor pipe up with more scare tactics i want to give them a kicking. Asking private companies (and so in effect their employees) to police government guidelines was always a terrible idea. What’s your wife supposed to do when someone gets aggressive or starts quoting the law at her? None of this is her remit but somehow it’s become her responsibility. It was poorly thought out and cowardly.
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Feb 22, 2021 10:08:18 GMT
Post by Neshead on Feb 22, 2021 10:08:18 GMT
This is how absurd its got, wife works at Sainsburys and they got to wear body cams now as the abuse to staff has got that bad. This is what lockdown is doing, its a deliberate social experiment designed to do this. Give me the fucking jab and let try and live to some sort normality again. Every time i see yet another professor pipe up with more scare tactics i want to give them a kicking. Asking private companies (and so in effect their employees) to police government guidelines was always a terrible idea. What’s your wife supposed to do when someone gets aggressive or starts quoting the law at her? None of this is her remit but somehow it’s become her responsibility. It was poorly thought out and cowardly. And all this while having to apply for her old job back as Sainsburys cut staff number with the doing away of the deli counters. So being asked to stand on thr front door, shes been spat at, swore at when a customer licked the notes before he gave her them on the checkouts, had a trolley rammed into her, then being told you'll probably lose your job. I'll admit Corona and lockdown have made the job hard for her but Sainsburys putting the boot in higher level shithousing.
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