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Feb 22, 2021 10:43:04 GMT
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Post by tetchyarse on Feb 22, 2021 10:43:04 GMT
Chatting to a woman at school this morning, who works in a care home. Apparently she's been told that unless she gets the vaccine, she'll have her position terminated. 'Not compulsory'. That would be unlawful under so many different things it's not even funny. It sounds more like a care home boss who has the brains of a gnat. I've had my first jab and haven't yet decided to start using Bing, and I really will never ever ever understand anti-vaxxers. There's a gobby anti-vaxxer here on the rock and he's obsessed about Nuremberg trials and 5G, he's a headcase. I don't understand why people wouldn't have it if they can, but lots of people can't for various reasons. As for shop staff, I feel really sorry for them being put in that position. As I've said before I don't understand why people won't just put a bloody mask on or why they have to yell at someone on minimum wage about it. Yes they're largely useless, we know, but it's hardly a massive hardship to put one on. There are more intrusive and more pointless things, like having to take your shoes off at the airport, that nobody cares about.
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Feb 22, 2021 10:57:14 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Feb 22, 2021 10:57:14 GMT
Chatting to a woman at school this morning, who works in a care home. Apparently she's been told that unless she gets the vaccine, she'll have her position terminated. 'Not compulsory'. That would be unlawful under so many different things it's not even funny. It sounds more like a care home boss who has the brains of a gnat. I've had my first jab and haven't yet decided to start using Bing, and I really will never ever ever understand anti-vaxxers. There's a gobby anti-vaxxer here on the rock and he's obsessed about Nuremberg trials and 5G, he's a headcase. I don't understand why people wouldn't have it if they can, but lots of people can't for various reasons. As for shop staff, I feel really sorry for them being put in that position. As I've said before I don't understand why people won't just put a bloody mask on or why they have to yell at someone on minimum wage about it. Yes they're largely useless, we know, but it's hardly a massive hardship to put one on. There are more intrusive and more pointless things, like having to take your shoes off at the airport, that nobody cares about. As I’ve said before I’ve not worn one yet (been to Tesco’s this morning) and won’t, but I’d never shout at or get aggressive with anyone in a shop telling me I had to wear one (assuming they were civil with me). If they really won’t let me shop without one I’d not get any more demonstrative than leaving and shopping somewhere else. It’s not their fault they’ve been asked to police something that really shouldn’t have anything to do with them or their position, so anyone taking it out on a till assistant at Morrison’s is a bit of twat.
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Feb 22, 2021 13:25:47 GMT
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Post by Neshead on Feb 22, 2021 13:25:47 GMT
Anyone else notice how mad people act when on the same pavement as you, walking into oncoming traffic to keep that stupid 2m distance, they'd chance getting run over than a non existent chance of catching covid by walking past you on the path.
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Feb 22, 2021 13:37:11 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Feb 22, 2021 13:37:11 GMT
Anyone else notice how mad people act when on the same pavement as you, walking into oncoming traffic to keep that stupid 2m distance, they'd chance getting run over than a non existent chance of catching covid by walking past you on the path. I was talking to an old couple who were looking at a house near me. I was in the road, they were on the pavement. I stepped up onto the pavement when a car came and the old fella dragged his wife away with enough force to give her whiplash. I’ve said it before but it’s the illusion of control. The idea that if they stick to ‘ the measures’, they’ll be safe. If they ever lost that crutch I swear they’d either lose their minds and run around in a blind panic or simply lock their front doors and starve to death. People scare the shit out of me and it’s not because I see them all as walking germ bags all playing tig with death.
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Feb 22, 2021 13:46:32 GMT
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Post by Neshead on Feb 22, 2021 13:46:32 GMT
Anyone else notice how mad people act when on the same pavement as you, walking into oncoming traffic to keep that stupid 2m distance, they'd chance getting run over than a non existent chance of catching covid by walking past you on the path. I was talking to an old couple who were looking at a house near me. I was in the road, they were on the pavement. I stepped up onto the pavement when a car came and the old fella dragged his wife away with enough force to give her whiplash. I’ve said it before but it’s the illusion of control. The idea that if they stick to ‘ the measures’, they’ll be safe. If they ever lost that crutch I swear they’d either lose their minds and run around in a blind panic or simply lock their front doors and starve to death. People scare the shit out of me and it’s not because I see them all as walking germ bags all playing tig with death. As a social experiment its amazed me just how gullible people are to things they read or hear. The reaction to Boris announcing lockdown easing measures didn't surprise me but saddened me because it show just how much control of the masses they've got. I've also noticed the ones that haven't give a fuck on this pandemic are ones who don't give a fuck at any time, the ones who generally pay no attention to any law but they have no fear of the consequences. Its certainly made me think of how I approach things in the future,the people of this country are there to be milked for all their worth, I just wish I was business savvy enough to do it.
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Feb 22, 2021 13:49:48 GMT
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Feb 22, 2021 13:49:48 GMT
Watched the NRL all stars game this morning in Australia, fans in the ground and people enjoying themselves. And we MIGHT let two households mix together. We have literally lost the plot now. We're gonna be stuck with restrictions till next year i'm telling ya. Didn’t Australia do lock down properly though? Am I thinking of New Zealand?
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Feb 22, 2021 14:00:39 GMT
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Post by Neshead on Feb 22, 2021 14:00:39 GMT
Watched the NRL all stars game this morning in Australia, fans in the ground and people enjoying themselves. And we MIGHT let two households mix together. We have literally lost the plot now. We're gonna be stuck with restrictions till next year i'm telling ya. Didn’t Australia do lock down properly though? Am I thinking of New Zealand? Had we implemented a proper track and trace we wouldn't have had to bother with yet more lockdown. And besides, you try doing a full on lockdown and look at how the media reacts. The media wants it both ways, they want lockdown but then complain when the government gets heavy handed.
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Feb 22, 2021 17:30:13 GMT
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Post by tetchyarse on Feb 22, 2021 17:30:13 GMT
Proper track and trace works once you get the infections down to a manageable number. Done properly in the summer, you wouldn't be in this mess now.
We've got a bit of a cluster going on here again now but- so far, touch wood, crossed fingers- it's largely under control. We know where the positive cases went so we can get their close contacts into isolation before they spread their Covid love too far. I think if we get many more positives out of this cluster (we're up to about 15) then lockdown will happen again here, but still, that's nothing to fear.
Our last lockdown lasted just under a month. As soon as the positives stopped appearing they opened everything straight back up, no pissing around.
Is now a good time to mention I was out at the pub last week to watch the football?
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Feb 22, 2021 23:43:07 GMT
Post by jdc on Feb 22, 2021 23:43:07 GMT
Watched the NRL all stars game this morning in Australia, fans in the ground and people enjoying themselves. And we MIGHT let two households mix together. We have literally lost the plot now. We're gonna be stuck with restrictions till next year i'm telling ya. Didn’t Australia do lock down properly though? Am I thinking of New Zealand? They did, but they also did lots of other things properly that we only did in a half-arsed way 12 months too late. for example, our international travel restrictions have either been non-existent or an absolute joke. Even now, our 'red list' doesn't cover all countries where variants are spreading - and some of the people who are being told to quarantine have just spent several hours on a plane with a bunch of people who are going straight home.
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Feb 25, 2021 8:10:33 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Feb 25, 2021 8:10:33 GMT
Anybody noticed the levels of subjectivity in the government’s four tests?: We’re fucked. Test one: define ‘successfully’. Test two: define ‘sufficiently effective’. Test three: what constitutes a ‘risk of a surge’ or even a ‘surge’ itself? Test four: ‘their assessment’ isn’t ‘fundamentally changed’ define what constitutes a ‘fundamental change’. Forget moving the goalposts, do we even have any to move any more? Carte Blanche to lockdown whenever, however and wherever they choose.
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Feb 25, 2021 8:28:33 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Feb 25, 2021 8:28:33 GMT
Test four alone gives them total free reign. There’ll be variants, it’s inevitable. Now all they have to claim is to be erring in the side of caution until we find out if the Magaluf Variant is dangerous or not and we’re all under house arrest again.
No government should have this level of power and control over its peopl.
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Post by bantam147 on Feb 25, 2021 9:50:18 GMT
Test four alone gives them total free reign. There’ll be variants, it’s inevitable. Now all they have to claim is to be erring in the side of caution until we find out if the Magaluf Variant is dangerous or not and we’re all under house arrest again. No government should have this level of power and control over its peopl. Absolutely. What the fuck do they think is gonna happen once all schools are back and pupils are tested twice a week? If anyone thinks we'll be back to normal by summer, they're deluded. Once you lose your freedoms, they don't come back. There's more fear amd control to be had yet. They'll crack on until people are begging for their vaccines, their vaccine passports and grateful for the occasional opportunity to leave the house and hug their nan
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Feb 25, 2021 12:21:37 GMT
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Feb 25, 2021 12:21:37 GMT
Anybody noticed the levels of subjectivity in the government’s four tests?: We’re fucked. Test one: define ‘successfully’. Test two: define ‘sufficiently effective’. Test three: what constitutes a ‘risk of a surge’ or even a ‘surge’ itself? Test four: ‘their assessment’ isn’t ‘fundamentally changed’ define what constitutes a ‘fundamental change’. Forget moving the goalposts, do we even have any to move any more? Carte Blanche to lockdown whenever, however and wherever they choose. That looks like it was put together by somebody in comms, so it won’t have all the detail on it.
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Feb 26, 2021 7:41:29 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Feb 26, 2021 7:41:29 GMT
That looks like it was put together by somebody in comms, so it won’t have all the detail on it. A question for you (and anyone else who is seemingly unperturbed by all this extra governmental control): if, as seems highly likely, some form of permanent Covid tracking is enforced, be it passports or scannable apps to gain entry to premises, do you think it will stay with just Covid or do you think over time more things will be tacked on to it? If the answer’s yes, does that prospect bother you? If the answer’s no, what gives you that confidence? If you don’t believe any such measures will be brought in, firstly again what gives you that confidence? Secondly if they are brought in can we revisit the first part of my post?
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Post by tetchyarse on Feb 26, 2021 8:34:40 GMT
I don't think Covid tracking or vaccination passports will be enforced. In the UK the Tory backbenchers won't stand for it, and it'll be the same in many other Western democracies.
I think we will get individual companies doing it for a bit- people like that cunt who runs care homes, said he'll sack anyone who doesn't have the jab but paid himself a £2m bonus last week- but it won't last because checking will cost time and money and most people will have it anyway.
I can see some countries checking at immigration, but that already exists for some other diseases. And I can see travel/health insurance companies not covering people who've not had the jab.
I do think bits of it will stick, especially at immigration if uptake is low in developing countries, but, mostly, it's all scaremongering by the anti-vaxxer headcases.
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Feb 26, 2021 8:55:13 GMT
Post by Neshead on Feb 26, 2021 8:55:13 GMT
At what time do the taxpayers get raped for the tens of billions spunked on track and trace and vaccines? If only we'd dealt with it differently, its almost like pharmacuetical companies wanted it to happen.....
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Feb 26, 2021 9:17:29 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Feb 26, 2021 9:17:29 GMT
I don't think Covid tracking or vaccination passports will be enforced. In the UK the Tory backbenchers won't stand for it, and it'll be the same in many other Western democracies. I think we will get individual companies doing it for a bit- people like that cunt who runs care homes, said he'll sack anyone who doesn't have the jab but paid himself a £2m bonus last week- but it won't last because checking will cost time and money and most people will have it anyway. I can see some countries checking at immigration, but that already exists for some other diseases. And I can see travel/health insurance companies not covering people who've not had the jab. I do think bits of it will stick, especially at immigration if uptake is low in developing countries, but, mostly, it's all scaremongering by the anti-vaxxer headcases. I’m convinced there’ll be some form of hangover of control but I’m not sure what it’ll be yet. I just can’t see everything being undone and us all returning to life as it was before; it would be too big an opportunity to miss.
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Post by tetchyarse on Feb 26, 2021 13:57:08 GMT
At what time do the taxpayers get raped for the tens of billions spunked on track and trace and vaccines? If only we'd dealt with it differently, its almost like pharmacuetical companies wanted it to happen..... Serco Test and Trace cost £22bn. Serco's CEO is Rupert Soames, Churchill's grandson and who just happens to be an old Etonian who was in the Bullingdon Club at Oxford at the same time as Boris. Nope, I don't know how they managed to get all that money for doing nothing. It's a fucking mystery. Vaccine manufacturer Moderna's majority shareholder is Rishi Sunak's family trust, a trust he definitely absolutely definitely doesn't control. The corruption isn't from Big Pharma, it's from Boris Johnson. Nobody seems to care. In fairness, Pfizer are selling it at cost price, but others aren't.
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Feb 26, 2021 14:18:09 GMT
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Post by Neshead on Feb 26, 2021 14:18:09 GMT
At what time do the taxpayers get raped for the tens of billions spunked on track and trace and vaccines? If only we'd dealt with it differently, its almost like pharmacuetical companies wanted it to happen..... Serco Test and Trace cost £22bn. Serco's CEO is Rupert Soames, Churchill's grandson and who just happens to be an old Etonian who was in the Bullingdon Club at Oxford at the same time as Boris. Nope, I don't know how they managed to get all that money for doing nothing. It's a fucking mystery. Vaccine manufacturer Moderna's majority shareholder is Rishi Sunak's family trust, a trust he definitely absolutely definitely doesn't control. The corruption isn't from Big Pharma, it's from Boris Johnson. Nobody seems to care. In fairness, Pfizer are selling it at cost price, but others aren't. The big pharma companies are the power, Johnson is merely a pawn in the game. He gets a nice back hander like they all do.
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Post by jdc on Feb 26, 2021 22:02:52 GMT
Serco Test and Trace cost £22bn. Serco's CEO is Rupert Soames, Churchill's grandson and who just happens to be an old Etonian who was in the Bullingdon Club at Oxford at the same time as Boris. Nope, I don't know how they managed to get all that money for doing nothing. It's a fucking mystery. Vaccine manufacturer Moderna's majority shareholder is Rishi Sunak's family trust, a trust he definitely absolutely definitely doesn't control. The corruption isn't from Big Pharma, it's from Boris Johnson. Nobody seems to care. In fairness, Pfizer are selling it at cost price, but others aren't. The big pharma companies are the power, Johnson is merely a pawn in the game. He gets a nice back hander like they all do. How do they afford to pay backhanders to Johnson when they're selling at cost price? AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson are committed to not making a profit during the pandemic. Tetchy reckons Pfizer are doing likewise. So who's making a profit on vaccines and can afford to pay Johnson off? These firms are not creating pandemics to profit from vaccine sales. Pure fantasy to suggest that they are. If you want to know what naughtiness Big Pharma are actually up to, you could read Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre. It's pretty long, and there's not many gags, but it is informative.
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