|
Post by bantam147 on Jan 6, 2024 17:20:17 GMT
Don't own any assets. Disinterested owner, incompetent junior CEO, shit players, awful to watch.
Anyone?
|
|
stevayb
Hot Water Tank Bantam
Posts: 351
|
Post by stevayb on Jan 6, 2024 17:22:43 GMT
Don't own any assets. Disinterested owner, incompetent junior CEO, shit players, awful to watch. Anyone? But who else would we sit and clap into oblivion?
|
|
sedg
Due Diligence Bantam
Posts: 445
|
Post by sedg on Jan 6, 2024 17:40:56 GMT
That's me done for a bit. Already struggling with depression and going to watch the football on Saturdays is making things worse.
|
|
|
Post by Dick on Jan 6, 2024 17:43:03 GMT
We're a battered housewife and every other club is our husband.
When our penalty went I looked around and there were more than a few old blokes who just sat there, utterly emotionless. You wouldn't have thought we'd just turned around.
I don't know what it was - an expectation we were going to fuck up? Probably not. But I don't ever want to get to that point where we go in front and I just there like a cardboard cut out. What is the fucking point?
|
|
|
Post by Attentive Onlooker on Jan 6, 2024 21:43:05 GMT
We're no better than a Crawley now. A low end football league team. With fans just happy to rock up on a Saturday because that's what they do. It's habit.
As long as there's a team to support then all is well in the world.
Who wants promotion anyway?
|
|
|
Post by Mossley Bantam on Jan 6, 2024 21:47:38 GMT
My second kid was born in September so I've only been to one game this season. The borefest with Harrogate.
Picked my time to miss a year really. Follow most games on iFollow to some degree and we're bloody awful.
But I can accept if we're a bit crap, if we weren't being outgunned by the Titans of Barrow, Harrogate and Accrington year in year out.
I just want to play the likes of Leeds, Town, Sheff Wednesday and so on again. Is that too much to ask?
|
|
|
Post by Attentive Onlooker on Jan 7, 2024 8:50:11 GMT
My second kid was born in September so I've only been to one game this season. The borefest with Harrogate. Picked my time to miss a year really. Follow most games on iFollow to some degree and we're bloody awful. But I can accept if we're a bit crap, if we weren't being outgunned by the Titans of Barrow, Harrogate and Accrington year in year out. I just want to play the likes of Leeds, Town, Sheff Wednesday and so on again. Is that too much to ask? All my lad has known is L2 with a bit of shit L1 thrown in. I want him to see what we had. The Championship, big local derbies, away end packed out every week, proper atmospheres. Instead he watches us get shat on by a village team in front of a minibus full of fans. It's pathetic and embarrassing.
|
|
|
Post by Dick on Jan 7, 2024 9:29:48 GMT
My second kid was born in September so I've only been to one game this season. The borefest with Harrogate. Picked my time to miss a year really. Follow most games on iFollow to some degree and we're bloody awful. But I can accept if we're a bit crap, if we weren't being outgunned by the Titans of Barrow, Harrogate and Accrington year in year out. I just want to play the likes of Leeds, Town, Sheff Wednesday and so on again. Is that too much to ask? All my lad has known is L2 with a bit of shit L1 thrown in. I want him to see what we had. The Championship, big local derbies, away end packed out every week, proper atmospheres. Instead he watches us get shat on by a village team in front of a minibus full of fans. It's pathetic and embarrassing. I've been taking mine for two years to get them into it. Hates it and tells me how boring it is. I've given up trying to make them as it's just dragging them to something they don't want to be a part of, and they have other interests they're really good at and would much rather do than go with dad to watch this horseshit. Friend of mine who sometimes comes with his kids is in a similar boat. They now live right next to a big PL team and he's seriously thinking about ditching us and taking the kids there so they'll at least see wins, goals, some entertainment and atmosphere. It's like yesterday, 5 hour journey and 100 fans and they take points off us again. Zero atmosphere, zero spice in the air around the ground and city. It's becoming a chore like cleaning the oven. All these non-league teams, clubs who've had rotten owners who sort their shit out, clubs with a fraction of the crowd and budget we do who overtake us on and off the pitch... We have massive crowds, good budgets and a range of income sources - so it's quite some achievement to get it so wrong year after year. The wrong person in charge, the wrong CEO, the completely wrong structure in terms of football strategy means bad decision after bad decision in terms of manager choice, manager replacement and player recruitment for almost a decade now. I'm glad I'm the only guy in my office, I couldn't imagine if it was full of blokes the amount of shit I'd be getting every Monday morning like in other places when we'd all go through our teams' results.
|
|
|
Post by Hoochy on Jan 7, 2024 12:59:25 GMT
It defies logic that we can be so shite when we have such an advantage. There's been lots of 'big' clubs fall on hard times but eventually their pedigree has seen them use their advantage over the tinpot league 1&2 teams and get back to the Championship or beyond. We fail miserably year in year out because there's no plan beyond this season, this manager, this financial year. That vision has to come from the top and while we have Rupp and Sparks it's not going to happen.
|
|
|
Post by Dick on Jan 7, 2024 13:33:50 GMT
It defies logic that we can be so shite when we have such an advantage. There's been lots of 'big' clubs fall on hard times but eventually their pedigree has seen them use their advantage over the tinpot league 1&2 teams and get back to the Championship or beyond. We fail miserably year in year out because there's no plan beyond this season, this manager, this financial year. That vision has to come from the top and while we have Rupp and Sparks it's not going to happen. At the moment I'm looking at the players out of contract or who are sellable in terms of that aspect of a plan. I appreciate we won't have massive resources for levels and breadth of scouting. But any normal club would have earmarked long in advance (at least a year), proper replacements for the likes of Halliday, Lewis, Pointon, Young and other decent players who may leave now or in the summer. But as usual there's no plan. As usual it'll be who is cheap, available and who the manager / Gent knows. It's whenever managers or players leave, there's zero continuity as to what manager can make the most of what's available or what player can try to do the job we want them to. It's a constant revolving door and we don't know who's coming through. I dread to think who we would have signed to replace Cook if he had left.
|
|
|
Post by bantam147 on Jan 7, 2024 13:40:01 GMT
It defies logic that we can be so shite when we have such an advantage. There's been lots of 'big' clubs fall on hard times but eventually their pedigree has seen them use their advantage over the tinpot league 1&2 teams and get back to the Championship or beyond. We fail miserably year in year out because there's no plan beyond this season, this manager, this financial year. That vision has to come from the top and while we have Rupp and Sparks it's not going to happen. Competent, invested leadership. No business or organisation can succeed without it.
|
|
|
Post by tetchyarse on Jan 7, 2024 17:24:37 GMT
Rupp doesn’t give a fuck. I think Sparks does give a fuck, in that he knows success here will help him get a bigger job somewhere else, but unfortunately Sparks is a fucking moron. Everything else is just wibble. Change the players, change the managers, it doesn’t matter.
Until Rupp goes then the only way we’re getting out of this league is through the trapdoor.
|
|
|
Post by Dick on Jan 7, 2024 17:39:47 GMT
Rupp doesn’t give a fuck. I think Sparks does give a fuck, in that he knows success here will help him get a bigger job somewhere else, but unfortunately Sparks is a fucking moron. Everything else is just wibble. Change the players, change the managers, it doesn’t matter. Until Rupp goes then the only way we’re getting out of this league is through the trapdoor. I've said before, I don't believe for one second Rupp would have any other business interest in an industry he has no knowledge about, in a foreign country, with a completely different product and customer base to anything else - then allows the 29 year old fast-tacked CEO in his first job to run the whole bloody thing. For over 3 bloody years 🤣 Would he allow it in another business? Bollocks he would. 'For all the doubters'... amazing he's as wealthy as he is as got the brains of a bucket of dogshit when it comes to fan engagement. Only thing he cares about is his investment. As long as Sparks protects it, whatever division we're in, he doesn't care. The only thing Edin to enrage him was lose his money - if it wasn't for that he'd still be here. IMO Sparks is desperate for promotion just so he can say he's got the sporting success to go with the commercial side. Once that happens he rides off into the sunset and ends up in one of those circles of directors who just job hop every few years and get jobs for each when someone needs one. E.g Mason.
|
|
|
Post by jose on Jan 8, 2024 9:15:12 GMT
Stockport went to Division 4Z of the Greater Manchester Pyramid (almost) and look at them.
Crypto bros at Crawley, look at them.
Hopeless City. I won't take my kids; it's pointless. They're terrible and what do you learn watching Ash Taylor (eg?)
Can't run a business on goodwill & hope is not a strategy.
|
|
|
Post by tetchyarse on Jan 8, 2024 11:05:16 GMT
Rupp doesn’t give a fuck. I think Sparks does give a fuck, in that he knows success here will help him get a bigger job somewhere else, but unfortunately Sparks is a fucking moron. Everything else is just wibble. Change the players, change the managers, it doesn’t matter. Until Rupp goes then the only way we’re getting out of this league is through the trapdoor. I've said before, I don't believe for one second Rupp would have any other business interest in an industry he has no knowledge about, in a foreign country, with a completely different product and customer base to anything else - then allows the 29 year old fast-tacked CEO in his first job to run the whole bloody thing. For over 3 bloody years 🤣 Would he allow it in another business? Bollocks he would. 'For all the doubters'... amazing he's as wealthy as he is as got the brains of a bucket of dogshit when it comes to fan engagement. Only thing he cares about is his investment. As long as Sparks protects it, whatever division we're in, he doesn't care. The only thing Edin to enrage him was lose his money - if it wasn't for that he'd still be here. IMO Sparks is desperate for promotion just so he can say he's got the sporting success to go with the commercial side. Once that happens he rides off into the sunset and ends up in one of those circles of directors who just job hop every few years and get jobs for each when someone needs one. E.g Mason. Rupp is supposedly worth €150m. I get that he wants his money back but I don’t get why he’s happy to have an asset doing fuck all in the meantime. If you believe the accounts we are losing money. But even if we’re not losing money we’re certainly not making any money, and even though he’s very hands-off we must take up some of his time. He didn’t get rich by being stupid. I don’t get why he doesn’t either invest properly, make the asset more attractive, or just accept the haircut and walk away at a loss. Even if he sells up for £1 at most he’s lost a couple of million quid. Chicken feed to him. I don’t get it.
|
|
|
Post by Dick on Jan 8, 2024 12:40:05 GMT
I've said before, I don't believe for one second Rupp would have any other business interest in an industry he has no knowledge about, in a foreign country, with a completely different product and customer base to anything else - then allows the 29 year old fast-tacked CEO in his first job to run the whole bloody thing. For over 3 bloody years 🤣 Would he allow it in another business? Bollocks he would. 'For all the doubters'... amazing he's as wealthy as he is as got the brains of a bucket of dogshit when it comes to fan engagement. Only thing he cares about is his investment. As long as Sparks protects it, whatever division we're in, he doesn't care. The only thing Edin to enrage him was lose his money - if it wasn't for that he'd still be here. IMO Sparks is desperate for promotion just so he can say he's got the sporting success to go with the commercial side. Once that happens he rides off into the sunset and ends up in one of those circles of directors who just job hop every few years and get jobs for each when someone needs one. E.g Mason. Rupp is supposedly worth €150m. I get that he wants his money back but I don’t get why he’s happy to have an asset doing fuck all in the meantime. If you believe the accounts we are losing money. But even if we’re not losing money we’re certainly not making any money, and even though he’s very hands-off we must take up some of his time. He didn’t get rich by being stupid. I don’t get why he doesn’t either invest properly, make the asset more attractive, or just accept the haircut and walk away at a loss. Even if he sells up for £1 at most he’s lost a couple of million quid. Chicken feed to him. I don’t get it. It's like if you invest in the stock market - you do it for the long term and history shows if you spread you investment you'll probably get a return years from now. I think that's his mentality since being burned by Edin - get the football business to run itself by ST sales, the odd player sales and low hanging sponsorship fruit and he thinks over the long term, just by law of averages, everything would click and we'd have a few good years at least. There's lot of hands-off owners out there but aside from the basket case clubs I assume most employ a proper team to run things in their absence. And that is the biggest mistake he makes and keeps making; it's a chain of the wrong person/people under him, who hire the wrong manager, who hires the wrong players. Someone certianly needs to tell Rupp how to do some good PR. He doesn't speak much but gets it wrong when he does. 'Proud custodian' was one gaffe and 'for the doubters' post was a huge mistake, and only enraged fans further to on the pitch matters. I get the feeling despite being somewhat annonymous he has something of an ego as well. Look at how he plasters our logo on his sports cars, I can imagine him boasting 'yeah, that English football team that got the final in 2013 then beat Chelsea a few years later? I own them' - so cutting loose of us would dent his pride severely.
|
|
|
Post by Dick on Jan 11, 2024 13:53:45 GMT
Possible 'revenue gap'
Desperately going after the low hanging fruit in endless local sponsorship deals not worked out then?
|
|
stevayb
Hot Water Tank Bantam
Posts: 351
|
Post by stevayb on Jan 11, 2024 13:55:37 GMT
Possible 'revenue gap' Desperately going after the low hanging fruit in endless local sponsorship deals not worked out then? Weren't we told to expect £8m turnover this season? Have all the sponsors tucked off or is the fat leech spending it all on his shite car?
|
|
|
Post by Attentive Onlooker on Jan 11, 2024 14:33:03 GMT
Possible 'revenue gap' Desperately going after the low hanging fruit in endless local sponsorship deals not worked out then? Think like a L2 club. Become a permanent L2 club.
|
|
|
Post by hammstrasse on Jan 11, 2024 14:43:33 GMT
The apologists are out in force. Well Lewis has been poor this season, best to reinvest the money, etc, etc.
Who'd have thought that a guy who was employed to handle the clubs social media outlets who was then promoted to CEO would end up being a total shitshow.
We are a banter club, no direction, no ambition, no assets, no plan, no clue, no idea, no pot to piss in, no hope.
Anyone travelling over 8 hours on a round trip to Colchester this weekend, may aswell go hand themselves into Lynfield Mount now.
|
|