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Post by Bacon on Apr 13, 2021 20:16:05 GMT
The Bowyer-esque levels of cautiousness will turn fans on them quicker than anything else. They can't drift through first halves trying to keep it tight, especially at home. Imagine if fans were in the grounds - they would have groaned for most of Saturday and they would have turned on that approach tonight. Was the same on Saturday. They didn’t park the bus, they were coming at us and we tried to soak up the pressure. Against a 10 man bottom of the league side. Could have got the pace on after HT and gone for them. Get a few goals, boost confidence, reduce goal difference. These two have done a great job turning us around but they are more cautious than Parky. Seeing the way these two seem to want to play makes you wonder if they had any input in to the signings. Why sign pace and hopefully attacking flair and then play the same old turgid shite? I agree that they're lucky there's no supporters in. "But look at where we were when they took over". I put it to you that it was pure fluke. These two are on borrowed time.
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Post by bantam147 on Apr 13, 2021 20:18:02 GMT
Dog shit. Start to finish
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Post by bantam147 on Apr 13, 2021 20:24:40 GMT
I don't get the caution and hesitancy. Its baffling. Because if they can't have a go in these circumstances - saving us from relegation, limited expectation because of how the seasons gone, no fans in the ground - when WOULD they have a go?
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Apr 13, 2021 20:26:57 GMT
I don't get the caution and hesitancy. Its baffling. Because if they can't have a go in these circumstances - saving us from relegation, limited expectation because of how the seasons gone, no fans in the ground - when WOULD they have a go? Cowardice
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Post by Dick on Apr 13, 2021 20:35:49 GMT
Was the same on Saturday. They didn’t park the bus, they were coming at us and we tried to soak up the pressure. Against a 10 man bottom of the league side. Could have got the pace on after HT and gone for them. Get a few goals, boost confidence, reduce goal difference. These two have done a great job turning us around but they are more cautious than Parky. Seeing the way these two seem to want to play makes you wonder if they had any input in to the signings. Why sign pace and hopefully attacking flair and then play the same old turgid shite? I agree that they're lucky there's no supporters in. "But look at where we were when they took over". I put it to you that it was pure fluke. These two are on borrowed time. 'Look where we were when they took over' This season's 'Happy to have a club' mantra. They certainly can't approach games as turgidly when fans are back.
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Post by Hobhead on Apr 13, 2021 20:37:08 GMT
I don't get the caution and hesitancy. Its baffling. Because if they can't have a go in these circumstances - saving us from relegation, limited expectation because of how the seasons gone, no fans in the ground - when WOULD they have a go? When we’ve built a side twice as good as everybody else’s?
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Post by bantam147 on Apr 13, 2021 20:41:45 GMT
I don't get the caution and hesitancy. Its baffling. Because if they can't have a go in these circumstances - saving us from relegation, limited expectation because of how the seasons gone, no fans in the ground - when WOULD they have a go? When we’ve built a side twice as good as everybody else’s? We'll be waiting long fucking time then... There have been several times over the last few weeks that we've faced teams in shite form amd not once have we taken the game to them
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Post by Hobhead on Apr 13, 2021 20:52:12 GMT
When we’ve built a side twice as good as everybody else’s? We'll be waiting long fucking time then... There have been several times over the last few weeks that we've faced teams in shite form amd not once have we taken the game to them We don’t seem to react to the opposition at all. We approach every game with the same set up and mindset. There’s no way any team should play the same way against Bolton as they would against Grimsby.
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Post by benitocarbone on Apr 13, 2021 21:15:54 GMT
The cautious safety first approach is totally flawed when you can’t defend crosses into the box and we have a major problem in that regard because teams have realised that ODonnell doesn’t come off his line. Canavan has helped with that and there’s a chance that we don’t concede that second goal with him on the pitch but now he’s injured it will become a major problem.
The problem for me tonight was the complete lack of energy and tempo in the first half. The second half was better in that regard and we probably created enough half chances to score a goal but we conceded two simple goals from crosses into the box.
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Post by benitocarbone on Apr 13, 2021 21:19:25 GMT
I also agree with comparisons to Bowyer and the comments about fans being on their backs if we were allowed in and were then served up with that first half.
We need to be able to adapt in games. Trueman and Sellars will have to show that they can do that next season.
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Post by fish on Apr 13, 2021 23:50:43 GMT
I don't get it. What are they fucking scared of? They've achieved their objective of safety and now have a free hit at the top 7. If we fall short yet give it a good go by playing on the front foot every week, I'm not too sure anyone would be blaming them for it.
Yet if we fall short by playing this bowyer-esque tripe where we look scared shitless of every team we play, they just pile more pressure on themselves and fans will start to question their ability.
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Post by Dick on Apr 14, 2021 6:10:04 GMT
I don't get it. What are they fucking scared of? They've achieved their objective of safety and now have a free hit at the top 7. If we fall short yet give it a good go by playing on the front foot every week, I'm not too sure anyone would be blaming them for it. Yet if we fall short by playing this bowyer-esque tripe where we look scared shitless of every team we play, they just pile more pressure on themselves and fans will start to question their ability. Neither do I. Its similar to what Bowyer did, Mccall did towards the end of the 2017 season and Parky did at times. Cautious approaches usually get found out. Gompers will use results to hide the context behind them - look at the number of 1-0s Bowyer racked up through penalties and own goals... and on Saturday we put no pressure on the worst side in the league who were down to 10 men. There were 7 games left before last night, if you're not going to throw caution to he wind a bit against a side on a poor run then when will you do it? I hate this 'look where we were when they took over' shit. What a cop out, its a crap division - L2 often is - and we've been 1 point off the play offs at one time, then 3 points... do you really want to spend another year in this shit league? Any opportunity to get out should be grabbed by the balls. Carlisle, Colchester, Grimsby, Crawley, Scunthorpe - all on poor form at the time we play and we just sit back and don't try to dictate the game and all. Forest Green were were the only one we seemed to attack more, but why, WHY are we scared of trying to impose ourselves on poor sides?
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Post by Hobhead on Apr 14, 2021 6:34:46 GMT
I don't get it. What are they fucking scared of? They've achieved their objective of safety and now have a free hit at the top 7. If we fall short yet give it a good go by playing on the front foot every week, I'm not too sure anyone would be blaming them for it. Yet if we fall short by playing this bowyer-esque tripe where we look scared shitless of every team we play, they just pile more pressure on themselves and fans will start to question their ability. I hate this 'look where we were when they took over' shit. What a cop out, its a crap division - L2 often is - and we've been 1 point off the play offs at one time, then 3 points... do you really want to spend another year in this shit league? Any opportunity to get out should be grabbed by the balls. Half of our fans are the types to stick on sixteen.
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Post by mikehunt on Apr 14, 2021 7:47:35 GMT
I hate this 'look where we were when they took over' shit. What a cop out, its a crap division - L2 often is - and we've been 1 point off the play offs at one time, then 3 points... do you really want to spend another year in this shit league? Any opportunity to get out should be grabbed by the balls. Half of our fans are the types to stick on sixteen. I think there is something of the old Yorkshire working class mentality stemming from the mills and the pits in it. Don’t grumble, it could be worse. Get on with what you have got and don’t question your betters when they say you should be grateful for a shilling a day and a horseshit sandwich. The generation of our grandparents probably thought they had their place in life and there was no point aiming for anything better. That mentality runs through City fans in my opinion.
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Post by tetchyarse on Apr 14, 2021 8:20:50 GMT
I don't think we've been jammy with 1-0 wins after being battered in the same way McCall and Bowyer were. There's not really been any 1-0s where we're hanging on for grim death. We've not been battered by anyone under T&S, the equaliser against Bolton was lucky but beyond that, nah. So T&S have credit in the bank.
But the last two performances are a big worry, we're not showing enough going forward. And we need to, we're a Big Club in this league and safety first won't cut it if we want to get up into League One and stay there.
Still think we should have waited to the summer to decide on managers.
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Post by Dick on Apr 14, 2021 9:15:28 GMT
I don't think we've been jammy with 1-0 wins after being battered in the same way McCall and Bowyer were. There's not really been any 1-0s where we're hanging on for grim death. We've not been battered by anyone under T&S, the equaliser against Bolton was lucky but beyond that, nah. So T&S have credit in the bank. But the last two performances are a big worry, we're not showing enough going forward. And we need to, we're a Big Club in this league and safety first won't cut it if we want to get up into League One and stay there. Still think we should have waited to the summer to decide on managers. True, not as bad as Bowyers - but there were a few games of low chances, we beat Orient with a penalty, Mansfield from second ball on a set piece, Grimsby... fine margins we got the better of, but it can't be like that every week - not with some of the players we brought in in Janaury. The most frustrating thing is you just think if we raise our game xx% in an overall attacking sense those 1-0s become 2s or 3s or we score more early on in games. And when you're where we are you have to throw everything at it at some point, can't rely on everyone else dropping points each week and using it a fallback excuse. Need to do it now and not with 3 games to go.
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Post by Hobhead on Apr 14, 2021 9:42:17 GMT
It’s like watching a horse you’ve backed approaching the finishing straight in the chasing pack and waiting for the jockey to drive it on but he stays up in the saddle and keeps the crop under his arm.
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Post by tetchyarse on Apr 14, 2021 10:05:42 GMT
I like sensible defensive football, I'll not lie, but it will only get you so far. Wenger always talked about taking the handbrake off. We need to do that.
There's no reason why 4-2-3-1 can't turn into 4-3-3 when we're playing weaker teams. Three central midfielders, a 9 and two wingers. We've got the players.
My big worry about T&S is there's no variety. I'm generally a fan of picking a formation and sticking to it- that was what really pissed me off about McCall- but we need to change it a bit. We don't need a holding DM at home to fucking Grimsby.
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Post by mikehunt on Apr 14, 2021 10:48:26 GMT
I like sensible defensive football, I'll not lie, but it will only get you so far. Wenger always talked about taking the handbrake off. We need to do that. There's no reason why 4-2-3-1 can't turn into 4-3-3 when we're playing weaker teams. Three central midfielders, a 9 and two wingers. We've got the players. My big worry about T&S is there's no variety. I'm generally a fan of picking a formation and sticking to it- that was what really pissed me off about McCall- but we need to change it a bit. We don't need a holding DM at home to fucking Grimsby. Totally agree with you but I don’t think we have the players to mix it up a lot. The defence picks itself, FCD can be guaranteed a mistake a game but the midfield is piss poor. Take out Sutton and Cooke and who do you have? AOC, he’s ok, just ok, as an emergency stand in DM. Watt, there’s a football talent there but a lack of a football brain and a dreadful free kick or corner, Scales, a decent prospect but he’s a kid and should be played sparingly or out on loan, Ismail is finished as a pro, Pritchard injured, Evans is shit, Clarke is no better. Take the best bits of Crankshaw, Vernam and Stevens and you have one and a half good players. That’s why I think they don’t mix it up a bit, they don’t have the players. If they are still doing this in December after a summer transfer window and we’re in a similar league position they’ll be under some pressure from the crowd. The negative football passing it about the back four, breaking free down the middle with pace then sending it out to Rowe on the left to lose the ball or cross it to a centre half to head wide won’t be tolerated. Roger Owen on the other channel bangs on about five years to fix Edin’s mess, I say bollocks, almost every remnant of his reign has gone, there are no excuses next season. Promotion or Trueman, Sellars and Sparky can go
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Apr 14, 2021 10:50:50 GMT
I like sensible defensive football, I'll not lie, but it will only get you so far. Wenger always talked about taking the handbrake off. We need to do that. There's no reason why 4-2-3-1 can't turn into 4-3-3 when we're playing weaker teams. Three central midfielders, a 9 and two wingers. We've got the players. My big worry about T&S is there's no variety. I'm generally a fan of picking a formation and sticking to it- that was what really pissed me off about McCall- but we need to change it a bit. We don't need a holding DM at home to fucking Grimsby. Totally agree with you but I don’t think we have the players to mix it up a lot. The defence picks itself, FCD can be guaranteed a mistake a game but the midfield is piss poor. Take out Sutton and Cooke and who do you have? AOC, he’s ok, just ok, as an emergency stand in DM. Watt, there’s a football talent there but a lack of a football brain and a dreadful free kick or corner, Scales, a decent prospect but he’s a kid and should be played sparingly or out on loan, Ismail is finished as a pro, Pritchard injured, Evans is shit, Clarke is no better. Take the best bits of Crankshaw, Vernam and Stevens and you have one and a half good players. That’s why I think they don’t mix it up a bit, they don’t have the players. If they are still doing this in December after a summer transfer window and we’re in a similar league position they’ll be under some pressure from the crowd. The negative football passing it about the back four, breaking free down the middle with pace then sending it out to Rowe on the left to lose the ball or cross it to a centre half to head wide won’t be tolerated. Roger Owen on the other channel bangs on about five years to fix Edin’s mess, I say bollocks, almost every remnant of his reign has gone, there are no excuses next season. Promotion or Trueman, Sellars and Sparky can go Absofuckinglutely spot on
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