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Post by Bacon on Oct 27, 2020 22:08:01 GMT
The one time we looked halfway decent was when we played 442 at Mansfield. Then Stu said it was 'never a 442' even though everyone thought it was. Then we go dicking about with all this 3 at the back stuff again, diamonds, lopsided formations. It's League 2. He's learned nothing and it looks like the players are the same. When you're in a rut you need to go back to basics and percentages. A problem we have is nobody good enough to play out wide week in week out because he's failed to build a balanced squad. It seems like he's signed Clarke with the intention of building a team around him. He wants the creativity of 2 wingers from 1 4th division footballer and it's never going to work, particularly the immobile strikers we're lumbered with. You look at what our strengths should be with our strikers and it's not going to be defence splitting threaded balls. It's going to be crosses into the box. We've been saying that on here for months yet here we are still saying it and he's still not playing to our strengths. We all love Stuart but it's not blasphemy to point out his deficiencies as a manager. I'm struggling to think of many positives at the moment. He's settled on a hairstyle?
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Post by bantam147 on Oct 27, 2020 22:08:49 GMT
He's signed his own death warrant with his comment tonight 'We were never going to be Top 3'. Jeez, if only we could compete with the likes of Newport, Forest Green and Cambridge. It's the fourth tier for fucks sake. That comments a fucking disgrace. If the position of the club was - cut back on spend, we’re no expecting promotion, we’re changing CEO, we’ll then replan. Then fair enough. In fact, more than fair enough, it’s what’s needed. But as a a manager, he should be be taking whatever he’s got and thinking ‘how best can I make this work’. It’s the 4th division and we should NEVER be in a position where top 3 is impossible. For a start, if you know you’re gonna have 5 or 6 kids making their breakthrough, and you know you have a small budget, focus on bringing in 4 or 5 of the best senior pro’s you can. Don’t sign Billy Clarke when you’re already bringing in Callum Cooke. Don’t sign DMH at all. Don’t turn down offers for Guthrie. Sign a nasty bastard of a midfielder that will give your younger midfielders some air cover. If you can’t do any better than having 3 tall strikers who can’ fucking run, then sign at least one decent winger who can cross a football, don’t plan your recruitment around a possession based system that needs your forwards a to run the the channels (352!). Tap up every fucker you know at our Top Tier and Champollion neighbours and pimp the club out as a platform for young players to come and have a crack. You can see already that Hossanah will be a player - there’ll be a shit load like him in the top 2 leagues. It’s defeatist, pathetic behaviour. This club either needs to rebuild from top to bottom or sack it off. Seriously.
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Post by bantam147 on Oct 27, 2020 22:12:06 GMT
The one time we looked halfway decent was when we played 442 at Mansfield. Then Stu said it was 'never a 442' even though everyone thought it was. Then we go dicking about with all this 3 at the back stuff again, diamonds, lopsided formations. It's League 2. He's learned nothing and it looks like the players are the same. When you're in a rut you need to go back to basics and percentages. A problem we have is nobody good enough to play out wide week in week out because he's failed to build a balanced squad. It seems like he's signed Clarke with the intention of building a team around him. He wants the creativity of 2 wingers from 1 4th division footballer and it's never going to work, particularly the immobile strikers we're lumbered with. You look at what our strengths should be with our strikers and it's not going to be defence splitting threaded balls. It's going to be crosses into the box. We've been saying that on here for months yet here we are still saying it and he's still not playing to our strengths. We all love Stuart but it's not blasphemy to point out his deficiencies as a manager. I'm struggling to think of many positives at the moment. I’ve always thought that a strength was how likeable he was. As a player, you’d probably love him. But then I think ‘is that a good thing’. You need a bit of fear. Look at the best managers - they’re all a bit of a cunt. The daddy of them all - Ferguson. Could be a right cunt. Players feared him, but they respected him. He wasn’t their mate, he was like a father figure. Now, the game has changed and you can’t rule with as much of an iron fist, but you still need to rule. You can’t be all good cop. Players need to fear a bollocking. None of this nicknames shite.
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Post by Hoochy on Oct 27, 2020 22:14:00 GMT
The one time we looked halfway decent was when we played 442 at Mansfield. Then Stu said it was 'never a 442' even though everyone thought it was. Then we go dicking about with all this 3 at the back stuff again, diamonds, lopsided formations. It's League 2. He's learned nothing and it looks like the players are the same. When you're in a rut you need to go back to basics and percentages. A problem we have is nobody good enough to play out wide week in week out because he's failed to build a balanced squad. It seems like he's signed Clarke with the intention of building a team around him. He wants the creativity of 2 wingers from 1 4th division footballer and it's never going to work, particularly the immobile strikers we're lumbered with. You look at what our strengths should be with our strikers and it's not going to be defence splitting threaded balls. It's going to be crosses into the box. We've been saying that on here for months yet here we are still saying it and he's still not playing to our strengths. We all love Stuart but it's not blasphemy to point out his deficiencies as a manager. I'm struggling to think of many positives at the moment. He's settled on a hairstyle? The hairstyle is good, the hairstyle is sound.
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Post by Mossley Bantam on Oct 27, 2020 22:18:36 GMT
He's signed his own death warrant with his comment tonight 'We were never going to be Top 3'. Jeez, if only we could compete with the likes of Newport, Forest Green and Cambridge. It's the fourth tier for fucks sake. That comments a fucking disgrace. If the position of the club was - cut back on spend, we’re no expecting promotion, we’re changing CEO, we’ll then replan. Then fair enough. In fact, more than fair enough, it’s what’s needed. But as a a manager, he should be be taking whatever he’s got and thinking ‘how best can I make this work’. It’s the 4th division and we should NEVER be in a position where top 3 is impossible. For a start, if you know you’re gonna have 5 or 6 kids making their breakthrough, and you know you have a small budget, focus on bringing in 4 or 5 of the best senior pro’s you can. Don’t sign Billy Clarke when you’re already bringing in Callum Cooke. Don’t sign DMH at all. Don’t turn down offers for Guthrie. Sign a nasty bastard of a midfielder that will give your younger midfielders some air cover. If you can’t do any better than having 3 tall strikers who can’ fucking run, then sign at least one decent winger who can cross a football, don’t plan your recruitment around a possession based system that needs your forwards a to run the the channels (352!). Tap up every fucker you know at our Top Tier and Champollion neighbours and pimp the club out as a platform for young players to come and have a crack. You can see already that Hossanah will be a player - there’ll be a shit load like him in the top 2 leagues. It’s defeatist, pathetic behaviour. This club either needs to rebuild from top to bottom or sack it off. Seriously. I've never rated McCall as a manager. I didn't want him back for his second spell and I certainly didn't want him back now. I was hopeful we might get McCall 2016-2018 back, but he seems to have regressed from even the 2007-10 version. Some of his comments are at best delusional and at worst outright incompetent. But his comment tonight shows the duplicitous nature of the club, only letting on about limited ambitions/realigning of finances almost a quarter of the way into the season, long after ST money has been banked. And although like you I would've understood if they'd been honest with this from the outset, I still cannot get my head around how we - prior to the start of the season - accepted that we we 'never going to be top 3'. Though I suppose that's easy to understand with footballing giants like Cambridge, Forest Green and Newport there. Our club is rotten, ambitionless and afraid of genuine success. Sod the lot of them.
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Post by Hoochy on Oct 27, 2020 22:18:45 GMT
He's signed his own death warrant with his comment tonight 'We were never going to be Top 3'. Jeez, if only we could compete with the likes of Newport, Forest Green and Cambridge. It's the fourth tier for fucks sake. That comments a fucking disgrace. If the position of the club was - cut back on spend, we’re no expecting promotion, we’re changing CEO, we’ll then replan. Then fair enough. In fact, more than fair enough, it’s what’s needed. But as a a manager, he should be be taking whatever he’s got and thinking ‘how best can I make this work’. It’s the 4th division and we should NEVER be in a position where top 3 is impossible. For a start, if you know you’re gonna have 5 or 6 kids making their breakthrough, and you know you have a small budget, focus on bringing in 4 or 5 of the best senior pro’s you can. Don’t sign Billy Clarke when you’re already bringing in Callum Cooke. Don’t sign DMH at all. Don’t turn down offers for Guthrie. Sign a nasty bastard of a midfielder that will give your younger midfielders some air cover. If you can’t do any better than having 3 tall strikers who can’ fucking run, then sign at least one decent winger who can cross a football, don’t plan your recruitment around a possession based system that needs your forwards a to run the the channels (352!). Tap up every fucker you know at our Top Tier and Champollion neighbours and pimp the club out as a platform for young players to come and have a crack. You can see already that Hossanah will be a player - there’ll be a shit load like him in the top 2 leagues. It’s defeatist, pathetic behaviour. This club either needs to rebuild from top to bottom or sack it off. Seriously. The 'top 3' comment has pissed me off too, especially in this era of a wage cap. There's no excuse. We didn't have to worry about our few players still on larger than the average wage contracts because they wouldn't have counted within the cap. We said we were vehemently against it, presumably because we have the means and the desire to spend beyond that. Where's the evidence? In this equal footing salary cap era what his comments effectively translate to are 'other managers can spend their wage budget better than me and coach their lads better than me' which is looking like the truth.
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Post by Dick on Oct 27, 2020 22:28:19 GMT
Soft touch McCall. Thinks he's been doing the right thing by lowering expectations, taking it on the chin when its not going right, firefighting and spinning plates... but sounds like fans have had it. Most weren't happy he came back again because of what it epitomised at the club, and unfortunately they're now directing their anger at him.
After years of decline at the club, a bit of hope and decline again, fans have had it. And seeing our hero acting again like he did in 2007 isn't earning any sympathy.
Give us something for fuck's sake. Are we now that tragic and pathetic we're happy to bob about in L2 with Forst Green, Barrow and Harrogate?
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Post by Dick on Oct 27, 2020 22:31:12 GMT
'Trust me, I know football'
He's slagged off the fans quite a few times hasn't he since the summer? So sad to see.
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Post by tetchyarse on Oct 27, 2020 22:34:19 GMT
He's nailed his colours to a front line of Donaldson, Novak, Clarke and Guthrie then laments us not sticking the ball in the net.
Who'd have seen that coming eh?
Sacking him isn't the solution, but Jesus wept.
FWIW I didn't want him back second time, never mind this time. I just don't think he's cut out for it. Blaming the fans instead of the wasters in the dressing room doesn't ever sit well for me.
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Post by Hoochy on Oct 27, 2020 22:34:51 GMT
You have to build credit to be able to ride out a run of bad form. Parky went about 20 matches without winning at one stage but was never under serious threat or criticism of this magnitude. Stu hasn't built that credit or anything even near it. We know there's other factors he's dealing with but it's his job to build a squad and coach them.
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Post by edin on Oct 27, 2020 22:43:58 GMT
If we lose to Southend he's going to walk.
This has an imminent end.
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Post by edin on Oct 27, 2020 22:57:07 GMT
You have to build credit to be able to ride out a run of bad form. Parky went about 20 matches without winning at one stage but was never under serious threat or criticism of this magnitude. Stu hasn't built that credit or anything even near it. We know there's other factors he's dealing with but it's his job to build a squad and coach them. didn't we draw about 12 in that run? I remembered the relief when McHugh netted against Vale in injury time to end that run
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Post by hobbes on Oct 27, 2020 23:10:41 GMT
You have to build credit to be able to ride out a run of bad form. Parky went about 20 matches without winning at one stage but was never under serious threat or criticism of this magnitude. Stu hasn't built that credit or anything even near it. We know there's other factors he's dealing with but it's his job to build a squad and coach them. didn't we draw about 12 in that run? I remembered the relief when McHugh netted against Vale in injury time to end that run That's the difference though - the relief and elation everyone felt when McHugh stuck that away. Everyone was on Parkys side. Stuart has very quickly this season set himself against the fans. And without that credit, legend or not, no one is on HIS side, we're all on our side. Late winner? Meh, doesn't make up for all the shite that's gone before. Not only was he daft to come back again, hes dealing with his third spell in the worst possible way by being both shit and arsey. He's slagged off the "outside noise" then admitted hes over complicated things. He then gives an 11 minute rant where he was spiky from the first question. Dont even get me started on the "we were never gonna be top 3". Fuck that shit.
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Post by Hoochy on Oct 27, 2020 23:43:54 GMT
The worst part is that we're all desperate for him to be a success and it's painful watching him breakdown.
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Post by Hobhead on Oct 28, 2020 5:50:08 GMT
That comments a fucking disgrace. If the position of the club was - cut back on spend, we’re no expecting promotion, we’re changing CEO, we’ll then replan. Then fair enough. In fact, more than fair enough, it’s what’s needed. But as a a manager, he should be be taking whatever he’s got and thinking ‘how best can I make this work’. It’s the 4th division and we should NEVER be in a position where top 3 is impossible. For a start, if you know you’re gonna have 5 or 6 kids making their breakthrough, and you know you have a small budget, focus on bringing in 4 or 5 of the best senior pro’s you can. Don’t sign Billy Clarke when you’re already bringing in Callum Cooke. Don’t sign DMH at all. Don’t turn down offers for Guthrie. Sign a nasty bastard of a midfielder that will give your younger midfielders some air cover. If you can’t do any better than having 3 tall strikers who can’ fucking run, then sign at least one decent winger who can cross a football, don’t plan your recruitment around a possession based system that needs your forwards a to run the the channels (352!). Tap up every fucker you know at our Top Tier and Champollion neighbours and pimp the club out as a platform for young players to come and have a crack. You can see already that Hossanah will be a player - there’ll be a shit load like him in the top 2 leagues. It’s defeatist, pathetic behaviour. This club either needs to rebuild from top to bottom or sack it off. Seriously. I've never rated McCall as a manager. I didn't want him back for his second spell and I certainly didn't want him back now. I was hopeful we might get McCall 2016-2018 back, but he seems to have regressed from even the 2007-10 version. Some of his comments are at best delusional and at worst outright incompetent. But his comment tonight shows the duplicitous nature of the club, only letting on about limited ambitions/realigning of finances almost a quarter of the way into the season, long after ST money has been banked. And although like you I would've understood if they'd been honest with this from the outset, I still cannot get my head around how we - prior to the start of the season - accepted that we we 'never going to be top 3'. Though I suppose that's easy to understand with footballing giants like Cambridge, Forest Green and Newport there. Our club is rotten, ambitionless and afraid of genuine success. Sod the lot of them. The ‘never going to be too three’ comment is borderline fraudulent. I say this because Sparks, representing the club, was busy sending pre-season DM’s laying out, and dropping heavy hints about, our ambitions for the season. Oddly they were far removed from McCall’s post season ticket sales comments from last night. Some of those DM’s are going to start surfacing soon as people get more pissed off and start to feel duped and it’s really not going to help with the growing disconnect.
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Post by Mossley Bantam on Oct 28, 2020 6:27:10 GMT
I've never rated McCall as a manager. I didn't want him back for his second spell and I certainly didn't want him back now. I was hopeful we might get McCall 2016-2018 back, but he seems to have regressed from even the 2007-10 version. Some of his comments are at best delusional and at worst outright incompetent. But his comment tonight shows the duplicitous nature of the club, only letting on about limited ambitions/realigning of finances almost a quarter of the way into the season, long after ST money has been banked. And although like you I would've understood if they'd been honest with this from the outset, I still cannot get my head around how we - prior to the start of the season - accepted that we we 'never going to be top 3'. Though I suppose that's easy to understand with footballing giants like Cambridge, Forest Green and Newport there. Our club is rotten, ambitionless and afraid of genuine success. Sod the lot of them. The ‘never going to be too three’ comment is borderline fraudulent. I say this because Sparks, representing the club, was busy sending pre-season DM’s laying out, and dropping heavy hints about, our ambitions for the season. Oddly they were far removed from McCall’s post season ticket sales comments from last night. Some of those DM’s are going to start surfacing soon as people get more pissed off and start to feel duped and it’s really not going to help with the growing disconnect. He was sending DMs alluding to ambition for the season? And we've been served up with the rubbish we have so far? Wow. And they wonder why iFolllw sales are low.
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Post by Neshead on Oct 28, 2020 6:36:53 GMT
I've never rated McCall as a manager. I didn't want him back for his second spell and I certainly didn't want him back now. I was hopeful we might get McCall 2016-2018 back, but he seems to have regressed from even the 2007-10 version. Some of his comments are at best delusional and at worst outright incompetent. But his comment tonight shows the duplicitous nature of the club, only letting on about limited ambitions/realigning of finances almost a quarter of the way into the season, long after ST money has been banked. And although like you I would've understood if they'd been honest with this from the outset, I still cannot get my head around how we - prior to the start of the season - accepted that we we 'never going to be top 3'. Though I suppose that's easy to understand with footballing giants like Cambridge, Forest Green and Newport there. Our club is rotten, ambitionless and afraid of genuine success. Sod the lot of them. The ‘never going to be too three’ comment is borderline fraudulent. I say this because Sparks, representing the club, was busy sending pre-season DM’s laying out, and dropping heavy hints about, our ambitions for the season. Oddly they were far removed from McCall’s post season ticket sales comments from last night. Some of those DM’s are going to start surfacing soon as people get more pissed off and start to feel duped and it’s really not going to help with the growing disconnect. If you go back to basics as Stuart said he would then this team needs at least three players just to be competitive. The defence doesn't have a clue how to defend at times, a centre back required that can organise. Crawford like others this season at times ran to the edge of our penalty box unchallenged, a proper defensive central midfielder needed. Like the one Bowyer didn't also bother to recruit. A goal threat upfront would be advantageous, we sign Samuels but seem reluctant to play him, a decent striker needed. A wide man able to travel with the ball and pull defences apart. A winger required. If only fans had been asking for these signings earlier......
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Post by Hobhead on Oct 28, 2020 7:33:02 GMT
The ‘never going to be too three’ comment is borderline fraudulent. I say this because Sparks, representing the club, was busy sending pre-season DM’s laying out, and dropping heavy hints about, our ambitions for the season. Oddly they were far removed from McCall’s post season ticket sales comments from last night. Some of those DM’s are going to start surfacing soon as people get more pissed off and start to feel duped and it’s really not going to help with the growing disconnect. If you go back to basics as Stuart said he would then this team needs at least three players just to be competitive. The defence doesn't have a clue how to defend at times, a centre back required that can organise. Crawford like others this season at times ran to the edge of our penalty box unchallenged, a proper defensive central midfielder needed. Like the one Bowyer didn't also bother to recruit. A goal threat upfront would be advantageous, we sign Samuels but seem reluctant to play him, a decent striker needed. A wide man able to travel with the ball and pull defences apart. A winger required. If only fans had been asking for these signings earlier...... If anyone from Wolves is watching our games and seeing what level of players we’re picking in preference to their boy they’d have grounds to be pretty pissed off or, at the very least, utterly bemused. It’s yet another shot in the dark though. The lad scored against us, we were all out of options so we took a punt on him. If it works out it’ll be due to no more than blind luck. Blind luck that we drew Wolves, blind luck that he played and scored that night and blind luck that he was available for loan and willing to come. We’ve assembled exactly the sort of team you’d expect when your scouting and research amount to one man and an iPad. But let’s not forget, it’s the ‘toxic atmosphere’ on social media that’s the root of all our problems.
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Post by Dick on Oct 28, 2020 7:46:49 GMT
If you go back to basics as Stuart said he would then this team needs at least three players just to be competitive. The defence doesn't have a clue how to defend at times, a centre back required that can organise. Crawford like others this season at times ran to the edge of our penalty box unchallenged, a proper defensive central midfielder needed. Like the one Bowyer didn't also bother to recruit. A goal threat upfront would be advantageous, we sign Samuels but seem reluctant to play him, a decent striker needed. A wide man able to travel with the ball and pull defences apart. A winger required. If only fans had been asking for these signings earlier...... If anyone from Wolves is watching our games and seeing what level of players we’re picking in preference to their boy they’d have grounds to be pretty pissed off or, at the very least, utterly bemused. It’s yet another shot in the dark though. The lad scored against us, we were all out of options so we took a punt on him. If it works out it’ll be due to no more than blind luck. Blind luck that we drew Wolves, blind luck that he played and scored that night and blind luck that he was available for loan and willing to come. We’ve assembled exactly the sort of team you’d expect when your scouting and research amount to one man and an iPad. But let’s not forget, it’s the ‘toxic atmosphere’ on social media that’s the root of all our problems. You missed off Stuart asking Watt if Samuels was a good lad as part of the scouting process that week. Premier League teams, hell, just any serious team has a proper development plan in place for their youngsters. Where exactly they're going, the type of players, manager, club and setup around them - and how they look at future growth after that, internally or externally. No idea why Wolves let him come here especially after we did nothing with Seedorf (but that went both ways), maybe we convinced them with the type of football we 'want' to play? As the long awaited replacement for a proven goalscorer - regardless of if he was a bad egg - its fucking deflating so far, as expected.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 28, 2020 8:45:16 GMT
The ‘never going to be too three’ comment is borderline fraudulent. I say this because Sparks, representing the club, was busy sending pre-season DM’s laying out, and dropping heavy hints about, our ambitions for the season. Oddly they were far removed from McCall’s post season ticket sales comments from last night. Some of those DM’s are going to start surfacing soon as people get more pissed off and start to feel duped and it’s really not going to help with the growing disconnect. He was sending DMs alluding to ambition for the season? And we've been served up with the rubbish we have so far? Wow. And they wonder why iFolllw sales are low. Was it talk of Rupp buying VP, good budgets, proper backroom set up and all that? Haven’t even spent the full salary cap have we unless Evans and Samuels are on £200k each
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