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Jan 20, 2022 16:44:48 GMT
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Post by bantam147 on Jan 20, 2022 16:44:48 GMT
ONS confirms a statistically significant increase in number of deaths in young males that coincidence with period of vaccine rollout. www.hartgroup.org/press-release/
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Post by tetchyarse on Jan 20, 2022 18:23:26 GMT
ONS confirms a statistically significant increase in number of deaths in young males that coincidence with period of vaccine rollout. www.hartgroup.org/press-release/I'd hate to call Professor Karol Sikora a liar, but *amazingly* there is no record of this disclosure anywhere except in Karol Sikora's press release that you linked to. Must be a conspiracy. That must be it. (Interesting fact: Karol Sikora is the "expert doctor" who got the Lockerbie bomber released from jail as he was "terminally ill" and had "months to live"; the bomber lived for years. Sikora doesn't mention this on his anti-vaxxer websites. How odd.)
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jan 20, 2022 20:43:12 GMT
350 is a pretty small sample size. You could make exactly the opposite case on the same piece of evidence for 15-19 year old females.
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Post by bantam147 on Jan 21, 2022 8:33:40 GMT
ONS confirms a statistically significant increase in number of deaths in young males that coincidence with period of vaccine rollout. www.hartgroup.org/press-release/I'd hate to call Professor Karol Sikora a liar, but *amazingly* there is no record of this disclosure anywhere except in Karol Sikora's press release that you linked to. Must be a conspiracy. That must be it. (Interesting fact: Karol Sikora is the "expert doctor" who got the Lockerbie bomber released from jail as he was "terminally ill" and had "months to live"; the bomber lived for years. Sikora doesn't mention this on his anti-vaxxer websites. How odd.) How on earth would that impede his credibility to offer medical views on the pandemic? Assessing life expectancy in terminally ill patients is notoriously difficult. And if we want to question the credibility of opinions based on incorrect assessment of data, look first and foremost as SAGE for their consistent and horrendously over stated 'data models' that have underpinned devastating lockdowns that have decimated businesses, the economy, lives, education, mental health. All over the world, highly qualified and respected medical experts are questioning aspects of the vaccine programme, the contextual risk of the disease itself, the shutting down of early treatment protocols etc. But if there's one thing medical science has built its industry on, its the closing down of peer review eh?
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Post by Hobhead on Jan 21, 2022 8:44:26 GMT
There’s an odd and significant change in wind direction lately. Anyone else noticed an major rhetoric shift?
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Jan 21, 2022 8:47:18 GMT
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Post by bantam147 on Jan 21, 2022 8:47:18 GMT
There’s an odd and significant change in wind direction lately. Anyone else noticed an major rhetoric shift? You mean within the UK, or globally?
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Post by Hobhead on Jan 21, 2022 8:52:16 GMT
There’s an odd and significant change in wind direction lately. Anyone else noticed an major rhetoric shift? You mean within the UK, or globally? Both but UK mainly. People who have up to now been true believers and fear mongers are suddenly and brazenly saying the very things they’ve been arguing against. It’s weird because it seems orchestrated in that it’s been a sudden and large scale volte-face.
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Jan 21, 2022 8:56:13 GMT
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Post by bantam147 on Jan 21, 2022 8:56:13 GMT
You mean within the UK, or globally? Both but UK mainly. People who have up to now been true believers and fear mongers are suddenly and brazenly saying the very things they’ve been arguing against. It’s weird because it seems orchestrated in that it’s been a sudden and large scale volte-face. I've noticed that too. Much more dialogue akin to 'we have to treat it like flu' which as you say, many have been saying for months if not longer. I have however noticed a more sinister tone alongside this, which us the enhanced rhetoric that dehumanises anyone not taking the vaccine. Literally dehumanises. You have world leaders openly talking about wanting to make life hell for the unvaccinated, even to the point of not recognising them as citizens. I mean, Jesus, has history not taught us anything about where that leads?
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Jan 21, 2022 9:16:10 GMT
Post by hammstrasse on Jan 21, 2022 9:16:10 GMT
The mask nutters are out in force now. Sarah Muckle health chief at Bradford Council is in the paper saying kids should still be wearing masks in schools. Drakeford was on the TV this morning saying masks should remain, Sturgeon said the same yesterday. Sadiq Khan says anyone using the tube must use a mask and Andy Burnham in Manchester is calling for people to keep using them on public transport.
Meanwhile in France where masks are pretty much mandated everywhere they hit 525,000 new cases in a single day. France where you have to use a Covid Pass to order a cup of coffee hits over half a million cases in a day and yet people still lap up all these restrictions.
I won't be visiting Wales, France or Scotland anytime soon whilst they continue down this route. In a months time and England is no different from any country with these daft restrictions in place maybe people might see sense. No doubt all those screaming to keep masks were those who screamed the first time to keep them and then saw England play out the same if not better than Scotland and Wales who kept them. By all means if people want to wear masks do so, but stop screaming for the rest of us who can see they are as good as useless to keep wearing them.
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Jan 21, 2022 9:50:47 GMT
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Post by bantam147 on Jan 21, 2022 9:50:47 GMT
The mask nutters are out in force now. Sarah Muckle health chief at Bradford Council is in the paper saying kids should still be wearing masks in schools. Drakeford was on the TV this morning saying masks should remain, Sturgeon said the same yesterday. Sadiq Khan says anyone using the tube must use a mask and Andy Burnham in Manchester is calling for people to keep using them on public transport. Meanwhile in France where masks are pretty much mandated everywhere they hit 525,000 new cases in a single day. France where you have to use a Covid Pass to order a cup of coffee hits over half a million cases in a day and yet people still lap up all these restrictions. I won't be visiting Wales, France or Scotland anytime soon whilst they continue down this route. In a months time and England is no different from any country with these daft restrictions in place maybe people might see sense. No doubt all those screaming to keep masks were those who screamed the first time to keep them and then saw England play out the same if not better than Scotland and Wales who kept them. By all means if people want to wear masks do so, but stop screaming for the rest of us who can see they are as good as useless to keep wearing them. The masks these idiots are using, do fuck all. Let them carry on, but I ain't wearing one, my kids ain't wearing one, and nobody should be made to wear one.
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Jan 21, 2022 10:28:34 GMT
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Post by tetchyarse on Jan 21, 2022 10:28:34 GMT
I'd hate to call Professor Karol Sikora a liar, but *amazingly* there is no record of this disclosure anywhere except in Karol Sikora's press release that you linked to. Must be a conspiracy. That must be it. (Interesting fact: Karol Sikora is the "expert doctor" who got the Lockerbie bomber released from jail as he was "terminally ill" and had "months to live"; the bomber lived for years. Sikora doesn't mention this on his anti-vaxxer websites. How odd.) How on earth would that impede his credibility to offer medical views on the pandemic? [ He is a cancer specialist. One would assume that a cancer specialist would know the difference between three months and three years. But no, because he was hired by the Libyan government. Do yes, it does rather undermine his credibility. As for his wider credibility, he's a cancer specialist who ran an "alternative medicine" course at his private university. So his credibility is about the same as that of Mike Yeadon, a man who gives himself a historical promotion every time he opens his mouth, i.e. none. Still, it's interesting there's no record of the "High Court admission" anywhere else, and Sikora doesn't give us any information about the case it was admitted in to try and find the record. It's almost as though a known professional bullshitter is bullshitting.
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Jan 21, 2022 10:32:11 GMT
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Post by Hoochy on Jan 21, 2022 10:32:11 GMT
There’s an odd and significant change in wind direction lately. Anyone else noticed an major rhetoric shift? They're trying to turn the Covid ship around with Boris the clown as the decoy.
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Jan 21, 2022 11:00:42 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Jan 21, 2022 11:00:42 GMT
There’s an odd and significant change in wind direction lately. Anyone else noticed an major rhetoric shift? They're trying to turn the Covid ship around with Boris the clown as the decoy. Maybe. It all just seems to regimented to be coincidence. It feels like something’s brewing.
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Jan 21, 2022 11:03:00 GMT
Post by bantam147 on Jan 21, 2022 11:03:00 GMT
How on earth would that impede his credibility to offer medical views on the pandemic? [ He is a cancer specialist. One would assume that a cancer specialist would know the difference between three months and three years. But no, because he was hired by the Libyan government. Do yes, it does rather undermine his credibility. As for his wider credibility, he's a cancer specialist who ran an "alternative medicine" course at his private university. So his credibility is about the same as that of Mike Yeadon, a man who gives himself a historical promotion every time he opens his mouth, i.e. none. Still, it's interesting there's no record of the "High Court admission" anywhere else, and Sikora doesn't give us any information about the case it was admitted in to try and find the record. It's almost as though a known professional bullshitter is bullshitting. The cancer specialist reckoned my nan had 2 years to live when she was being treated for lung cancer. She was dead 6 weeks later. Its not a simple equation. I see the same demonisation of any medical professional who offers a different view to the mainstream narrative. As for Mike Yeadon, according to Wikipedia: He served as the chief scientist and vice-president of Pfizer's allergy and respiratory research unit in Sandwich, Kent,[11][6] where he oversaw the development of drugs for asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).[12] During his work at Pfizer, Yeadon was responsible for the selection of targets and the progression of new molecules into human trials. His unit developed inhaled and oral NCEs that showed positive results in clinical trials for asthma, allergic rhinitis and COPD.[13] I'd say that makes him pretty well qualified to hold a credible view. Probably not as much as a Dr Hilary Jones who can't get enough exposure on daytime TV to quote wrong stats and indocrinate the public. The point is, 99% of the public aren't qualified to really scrutinise the medical testimony of genuine experts on either side of the fence. The way to build public trust is to promote a non-partisan, open and transparent peer review process that examines the risk profile of the disease beyond a one size fits all approach, the benefit and cost of lockdown measures, a data driven view of other measures that impede on individual liberty, early treatment protocols, the efficacy and risks of the vaccine. That isn't happening. There's an increasingly broad spectrum of qualified people challenging the narrative and they're being cancelled, censored, and having their repuations slurred. It stinks. And when the true cost of this pandemic and the global response to it is laid bare, there'll be a lot of people who haven't stood up for a full and transparent view of things who'll have blood on their hands.
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Jan 21, 2022 13:36:37 GMT
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Post by tetchyarse on Jan 21, 2022 13:36:37 GMT
Yeadon is a funny one.
He was chief of a fairly small research facility in Kent until he was made redundant by Pfizer in 2011. The research lab was for asthma and COPD, and so he was VP for the respiratory research unit. He has no vaccine experience, he developed asthma drugs. He was successful and made a shitload of money from it. All that is fact.
Instead of sticking to facts, he's turned himself into "Pfizer's chief of research" and "Pfizer's VP", which he never was. Talk about Walter Mitty. If he can't tell the truth about his CV, he loses any credibility.
FWIW there's an argument to be had about the Covid response. There always was. Face masks are pointless. The latest restrictions were unnecessary. Mark Drakeford is a prick.
But flying the flag for fruitcakes like Yeadon and Sikora isn't having that argument. Yeadon reckons the vaccine makes me magnetic, Sikora's been peddling his conspiracy theories about the NHS deliberately killing people for years. You'd get more sense out of David Icke, and he thinks the Queen is a lizard.
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Jan 21, 2022 14:17:17 GMT
Post by bantam147 on Jan 21, 2022 14:17:17 GMT
Yeadon is a funny one. He was chief of a fairly small research facility in Kent until he was made redundant by Pfizer in 2011. The research lab was for asthma and COPD, and so he was VP for the respiratory research unit. He has no vaccine experience, he developed asthma drugs. He was successful and made a shitload of money from it. All that is fact. Instead of sticking to facts, he's turned himself into "Pfizer's chief of research" and "Pfizer's VP", which he never was. Talk about Walter Mitty. If he can't tell the truth about his CV, he loses any credibility. FWIW there's an argument to be had about the Covid response. There always was. Face masks are pointless. The latest restrictions were unnecessary. Mark Drakeford is a prick. But flying the flag for fruitcakes like Yeadon and Sikora isn't having that argument. Yeadon reckons the vaccine makes me magnetic, Sikora's been peddling his conspiracy theories about the NHS deliberately killing people for years. You'd get more sense out of David Icke, and he thinks the Queen is a lizard. The biggest area of scandal for me, is the minimising and censorship of early treatment protocols, particularly in countries where the big vaccine producers are closely in bed with the media. It’s dodgy as fuck.
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Jan 21, 2022 19:07:15 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Jan 21, 2022 19:07:15 GMT
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Jan 21, 2022 21:24:04 GMT
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Post by bantam147 on Jan 21, 2022 21:24:04 GMT
I wonder how many people have died because of missed early diagnoses of critical illnesses pr lockdown driven suicides in the same period. Id wager it'll be a much higher number
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Jan 22, 2022 12:03:16 GMT
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jan 22, 2022 12:03:16 GMT
I wonder how many people in the whole population have no pre-existing conditions.
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Jan 22, 2022 12:51:46 GMT
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Post by bantam147 on Jan 22, 2022 12:51:46 GMT
I wonder how many people in the whole population have no pre-existing conditions. Hence the need for vaccination to be a personal choice, based on an individuals own circumstances. Preferably, with people armed with a transparent view of benefit and risk of both the virus and the vaccine, instead of threats and coercion.
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