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Post by Hobhead on May 4, 2018 18:51:46 GMT
LinkAnd so on and so forth.
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Post by bantam147 on May 4, 2018 18:57:35 GMT
SHOW. ME. THE MONEY!!!
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Post by billycasper on May 4, 2018 19:09:47 GMT
Lapped up by the gompers like Park and Banrobantam et al.
I'm yet to hear anything of any substance that makes me think they've learned their leasson.
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Post by Lofty on May 4, 2018 19:49:45 GMT
How easily the Bradford public are appeased.
"Right, let's start afresh, draw a line in the sand".
They've said fuck all bar 'we've made mistakes'. What mistakes? Tell us what you did wrong and what you'll do differently.
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on May 4, 2018 20:18:40 GMT
How easily the Bradford public are appeased. "Right, let's start afresh, draw a line in the sand". They've said fuck all bar 'we've made mistakes'. What mistakes? Tell us what you did wrong and what you'll do differently. It's all waffle. Ready for copy and paste in May 2019
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on May 4, 2018 20:35:01 GMT
Ze German propaganda is strong this week
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Post by jdc on May 4, 2018 21:00:25 GMT
How easily the Bradford public are appeased. "Right, let's start afresh, draw a line in the sand". They've said fuck all bar 'we've made mistakes'. What mistakes? Tell us what you did wrong and what you'll do differently. Aye. I don't see how you can stop something breaking again when you don't even know how you broke it last time: "none of us could answer as to why this happened. However, we have got to learn from it".
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Post by Bradford Wild Boars. on May 4, 2018 22:07:13 GMT
Right pair of cunts them two.
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Post by Nice boy on May 5, 2018 6:25:13 GMT
. "We can tell you that we will be making improvements, both on and off the pitch."
It's out there now, it's time to back it up otherwise it will come back to bite them on the arse as most of their other PR stunts have.
Even though as fans we'd like to hear the specifics such as what mistakes they have made, I don't blame them for not getting into too much detail. They are not for example going to come out and say that they messed up recruitment when 75% of the players they recruited are still under contract. All in all, actions speak louder than words and that's what they will be judged on.
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Post by Nice boy on May 5, 2018 6:32:15 GMT
The most concerning thing is that they don't have any answers for our form this year. It isn't rocket science: no squad dept and average players who weren't good enough to maintain a decent standard throughout the season are the reasons for a slide down the table. It's quite concerning that the fans recognise this but the men in charge don't. What's also quite strange is that they want to prevent this from happening again, but they don't even know what the problem is! One thing the statement does do is squash any rumours about Rupp/Rahic wanting to sell. It would seem like they are in it for the long term.
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Post by Hobhead on May 5, 2018 6:34:27 GMT
. "We can tell you that we will be making improvements, both on and off the pitch." We were supposed to be strengthening the side in all of the windows they’ve been here and, in Edin’s opinion, we’ve got a top two capable side now. Improvements are a matter of opinion until it’s demonstrated on the pitch. If we’re making improvements in Edin’s opinion then I won’t be getting overly excited because he doesn’t really know football and I don’t take him too seriously.
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Post by Hobhead on May 5, 2018 6:36:09 GMT
The most concerning thing is that they don't have any answers for our form this year. It isn't rocket science: no squad dept and average players who weren't good enough to maintain a decent standard throughout the season are the reasons for a slide down the table. It's quite concerning that the fans recognise this but the men in charge don't. What's also quite strange is that they want to prevent this from happening again, but they don't even know what the problem is! One thing the statement does do is squash any rumours about Rupp/Rahic wanting to sell. It would seem like they are in it for the long term. It seems like the most obvious answer is the hardest one for them to recognise: we signed sub-standard players. Until they accept this and up their game then all this is just more hot air.
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Post by Nice boy on May 5, 2018 6:43:10 GMT
The most concerning thing is that they don't have any answers for our form this year. It isn't rocket science: no squad dept and average players who weren't good enough to maintain a decent standard throughout the season are the reasons for a slide down the table. It's quite concerning that the fans recognise this but the men in charge don't. What's also quite strange is that they want to prevent this from happening again, but they don't even know what the problem is! One thing the statement does do is squash any rumours about Rupp/Rahic wanting to sell. It would seem like they are in it for the long term. It seems like the most obvious answer is the hardest one for them to recognise: we signed sub-standard players. Until they accept this and up their game then all this is just more hot air. I mentioned it a couple of days ago, the main thing that will hold us back is having chairmen who actually believes we have a good quality squad capable of getting into the Championship. The fact that they are supposed to be hands on and have a huge say in recruitment only makes it worse. Getting upto 3rd in the table has imo deluded them further. It's one of the reasons I'm desperate for Grayson to stay. In almost every interview he gives he makes reference to the lack of quality in the squad and I doubt he'll stay on with Rahic getting involved. At the moment he's our only hope.
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Post by Hobhead on May 5, 2018 6:59:50 GMT
It seems like the most obvious answer is the hardest one for them to recognise: we signed sub-standard players. Until they accept this and up their game then all this is just more hot air. I mentioned it a couple of days ago, the main thing that will hold us back is having chairmen who actually believes we have a good quality squad capable of getting into the Championship. The fact that they are supposed to be hands on and have a huge say in recruitment only makes it worse. Getting upto 3rd in the table has imo deluded them further. It's one of the reasons I'm desperate for Grayson to stay. In almost every interview he gives he makes reference to the lack of quality in the squad and I doubt he'll stay on with Rahic getting involved. At the moment he's our only hope. I agree. Grayson's come in, seen what everyone bar Edin knows and never misses an opportunity to let everyone know what he thinks of the squad - he wants to give the squad the overhaul it so desperately needs. If Edin's not prepared to listen to a man with his League One credentials then we really are fucked. Grayson stays then he'll keep the pressure on Edin to get us a squad that can go up. If he goes we'll end up with an average yes man and the cycle will start again. On a related note, and I've said this before, but if Grayson does stay then there's no place for Abbott. Grayson doesn't need to go to Abbott for advice on the quality of players he needs.
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Post by ricksanchez on May 5, 2018 7:12:06 GMT
The mistake that they made was believing that the previous club owners were pissing money away lavishly on expensive players. They obviously thought that we could be just as good as we were at a much lower cost. Turns out they were wrong. If that's the mistake they feel they have made then happy days. Doesn't sound like it is though, which is worrying.
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Post by Hobhead on May 5, 2018 7:23:47 GMT
The mistake that they made was believing that the previous club owners were pissing money away lavishly on expensive players. They obviously thought that we could be just as good as we were at a much lower cost. Turns out they were wrong. If that's the mistake they feel they have made then happy days. Doesn't sound like it is though, which is worrying. One chink of light in this is, again, Grayson. By appointing him they appointed outside their stated preferred model. Grayson is an old fashioned manager rather than the coach their model requires. If he stays then it's safe to assume we're leaning more toward the traditional English way of doing things and the owners have bent with the wind a little.
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Post by Nice boy on May 5, 2018 7:27:25 GMT
I mentioned it a couple of days ago, the main thing that will hold us back is having chairmen who actually believes we have a good quality squad capable of getting into the Championship. The fact that they are supposed to be hands on and have a huge say in recruitment only makes it worse. Getting upto 3rd in the table has imo deluded them further. It's one of the reasons I'm desperate for Grayson to stay. In almost every interview he gives he makes reference to the lack of quality in the squad and I doubt he'll stay on with Rahic getting involved. At the moment he's our only hope. I agree. Grayson's come in, seen what everyone bar Edin knows and never misses an opportunity to let everyone know what he thinks of the squad - he wants to give the squad the overhaul it so desperately needs. If Edin's not prepared to listen to a man with his League One credentials then we really are fucked. Grayson stays then he'll keep the pressure on Edin to get us a squad that can go up. If he goes we'll end up with an average yes man and the cycle will start again. On a related note, and I've said this before, but if Grayson does stay then there's no place for Abbott. Grayson doesn't need to go to Abbott for advice on the quality of players he needs. Agree with all of that. Abbott's an interesting one. Grayson was more than happy for him to stay after McCalls departure, so it wouldn't surprise me if he stayed on next season. The transfer committee will probably consist of Grayson, Snodin and Abbott assuming Grayson is our manage next season. I got the feeling that Abbott's opinion under the McCall regime was taken as gospel, I doubt he'll have as much influence this time. Grayson will already know the players he wants, he'll come in saying I want X, y, z and Abbott will do a bit of player research every now and then.
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Post by Hobhead on May 5, 2018 7:30:42 GMT
I agree. Grayson's come in, seen what everyone bar Edin knows and never misses an opportunity to let everyone know what he thinks of the squad - he wants to give the squad the overhaul it so desperately needs. If Edin's not prepared to listen to a man with his League One credentials then we really are fucked. Grayson stays then he'll keep the pressure on Edin to get us a squad that can go up. If he goes we'll end up with an average yes man and the cycle will start again. On a related note, and I've said this before, but if Grayson does stay then there's no place for Abbott. Grayson doesn't need to go to Abbott for advice on the quality of players he needs. Agree with all of that. Abbott's an interesting one. Grayson was more than happy for him to stay after McCalls departure, so it wouldn't surprise me if he stayed on next season. The transfer committee will probably consist of Grayson, Snodin and Abbott assuming Grayson is our manage next season. I got the feeling that Abbott's opinion under the McCall regime was taken as gospel, I doubt he'll have as much influence this time. Grayson will already know the players he wants, he'll come in saying I want X, y, z and Abbott will do a bit of player research every now and then. That leaves him talking to agents and clubs to try and figure out prices (if any) and wages. He's shifting towards being redundant whichever way I look at it. Grayson's forgotten more about players and required quality levels than Abbott's ever known.
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Post by ricksanchez on May 5, 2018 7:36:45 GMT
At the end of the day, despite what we hoped and were told about the owners wealth, fuck all has changed money-wise since these two have come in. In fact, we are now effectively poorer than we were with Lawn and Rhodes. Our first team budget has been savagely cut by the owners who now choose to allocate a proportion of what we pay to them for essentially non-playing activities i.e. youth development, and because our "supremo" reckons he knows a thing or two about wheeling and dealing and how footballers should be paid - we aren't even in with a sniff of getting averagely paid players as he's too stubborn. Also, Edin is prone to be eternally outbid by other clubs with the arrogant take-it-or-leave-it offers that he is rumoured to have made to players. The plan B of signing German amateurs when we don't get league one level pro footballers is a horrendous experiment that clearly doesn't work. We've gone from having a top 6ish budget to probably 12-14 ish budget and in my opinion we will never see the fruits of the misguided youth development side of things because you can't do that on an absolute shoe string. We are told that it's in "our DNA" to bring in youth. I would like to know - since when? To me that's another way of saying nothing is going to change from that point of view and we will continue to waste money on "developing" absolute howlers like Callum Gunner, Dan Pybus and Omari Patrick.
I recognise I am stating the obvious here and going over old ground, but it feels good to get it off the chest. Thanks Edin and Stefan.
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Post by ricksanchez on May 5, 2018 7:45:46 GMT
The mistake that they made was believing that the previous club owners were pissing money away lavishly on expensive players. They obviously thought that we could be just as good as we were at a much lower cost. Turns out they were wrong. If that's the mistake they feel they have made then happy days. Doesn't sound like it is though, which is worrying. One chink of light in this is, again, Grayson. By appointing him they appointed outside their stated preferred model. Grayson is an old fashioned manager rather than the coach their model requires. If he stays then it's safe to assume we're leaning more toward the traditional English way of doing things and the owners have bent with the wind a little. Yeah definitely. He's our last hope. The sensible decision from his point of view is to turn his back on the mess that we are in and go and work for a club with a genuine ambition to get out of this league, but we've got to hope that he doesn't fancy commuting to Scunthorpe and is prepared to ride out the Rahic meddling.
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