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Post by mikehunt on Jul 19, 2021 13:28:26 GMT
The evidence is that Covid is an airborne virus that is passed on as aerosol particles, and if you're wearing a face covering then fewer of these particles pass on. For a cloth face covering, it is somewhere between a 50% and 75% reduction in particle spread. The benefit of face coverings is not really on the wearer, but on everyone else who gets to breathe in fewer of their lovely Covidy breath droplets. But. The further away you are from someone, the fewer Covid particles you breathe in anyway. And if you're outside, the wind carries them away. And, even now, the infection rate in the UK is about 1 in 100. And breathing isn't the only way you can get the particles into your body; someone pisses around with their mask because it's itchy, they touch a tin of beans, then you touch a tin of beans and then you piss around with your mask because it's itchy and your glasses steam up. Hey presto, you've got Covid. I still believe that the biggest defences against Covid are washing your hands and keeping your personal space. My issue with face masks is that they undermine the most effective protections: stay the fuck away from me, and wash your fucking hands. When I was across in Bradford last month I watched people leave the bogs without washing their hands, but they carefully put their face mask on and so they thought no grannies would die. Talk about missing the point. City make you wear a face mask at the ground, but there's no soap and no hot water in the bogs. Go figure. Which is why it could be argued the mask wearing has become little more than a act of cultish symbolism. A way of signalling to others "don't look at me, i'm complying, leave me alone i'm a good person...." The whole mask argument seems to centre around people with weak immune systems being more at risk from covid. So surely the government should be encouraging people to improve their immunity by eating healthy, balanced diets... by taking regular exercise... by cutting down on smoking/ binge drinking etc? And if you don't and you catch covid, well thats on you. But no, lets bash everyone with petty, demeaning rules that infringe on basic rights and liberties.... to protect a few idiots who can't take responsibility for their own life choices. (that isn't directed at the genuinely vulnerable people) Since the first lockdown i've become much more conscious about what i eat and drink. I don't smoke (not judging anyone that does) No tests. No vax. No masks where possible. And i've been absolutely fine, despite coming into contact with 100/1000s of people a week due to my 'key worker' job. Brilliant. I’m happy for you. No amount of exercise, healthy eating, balanced diets make much difference if your immune system is suppressed by medication because you have Crohns, have had a transplant or having cancer treatment. It won’t make a difference to those who have had a lung disease which has left scarring or have COPD. It might make a difference to T2 diabetes which costs 10% of the NHS budget though. And there is no link between T2 diabetes and a probability of catching Covid. Wear a mask or don’t, but don’t whinge about other people who do want to wear one. Improved hygiene is important, I don’t think it’s a coincidence since coronavirus restrictions are being relaxed that noro virus cases are rising. Live and let live. Your anecdotal case study with an N of 1 doesn’t necessarily apply to the other 60 million in the UK. If people want to wear one fine, but don’t say they have an immune problem because of their lifestyle, because it isn’t always the case.
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Post by tommycairns on Jul 19, 2021 20:55:28 GMT
The scientific explanation was wonderfully baffling and almost makes one consider thinking there may be something to this covering your mouth and nostrils nonsense - if only out of confusion and fatigue. But the simple fact remains that you can catch a virus just as easy through the pores of the skin, the hair follicles etc.. Also, whilst meandering thru the minefields of scientific jargon - has the original covid-19 virus yet to be isolated? Is there a single peer reviewed paper on planet earth that proves that it has been isolated using the traditional kochs postulate? We are dealing with a re branded influenza here and a cursory glance at the way death certificate manipulation and nursing home euphanasia ( unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/midazolam-the-scandal-that-cannot-be-ignored/) has been happening suggests to me that there is no fucking virus and all those sheep who have rolled up there sleeve to receive a mrna-changing jab that is funded by lunatic eugenicists like bill gates will find out very shortly what a real illness feels like. The point I made originally is that I will not wear one and have a right to do so. Reading this thread makes it clear that 95% here are sensible enough to agree with this point. I thought his explanation made it clear, not baffling at all, even to the point I could use that to explain it to kids. Koch's posulate uses criteria from the 19th century, some of which is outdated now. Not having a peer reviewed paper based on that is barely significant. I'm glad I had the AZ one if the Pfizer is going to make me really ill soon. Altho my missus had that, so can you show me the scientific evidence that means I need to up her life insurance asap? Speaking of her, she's worked with covid patients for 18 months sometimes with a fit mask, sometimes with the same ones we all use, and she's never tested pos, including antibody test. She also gets wiped out by about literally everything that's going around, yet not seemingly had it. I'll let people do as they see fit whether they wear one or not, but I'm sure they do make some difference. If I was visiting someone in hospital, I'd 100% wear one, I don't find them a pain to wear at all. The only inconvenience is when I forget mine and have to go back at get it. I'll wear it if it seems appropriate or if others want me to. No skin off my nose. But likewise I'll give no-one any shit if they don't. Free world innit. Unless they're coughing their guts up on my steak The principles of Koch's postulates have indeed been altered beyond recognition since their creation over 130 years ago. However, it is broadly agreed that the changes have on the whole, served only to water down the postulates - and this is why they're still used today by most researchers seeking to definitively prove or disprove the existence of a pathogen and it's relationship to a particular disease. That scientists have yet to do so conclusively with the novel coronavirus and covid 19 IS hugely significant. The complete absence of any scientific papers or evidence of the causative microorganism being isolated is tremendously important, despite what the sacred fact-checkers like Reuters (whose CEO Jim Smith also happens to be on the board of directors at Pfizer - not the late bald eagle haha!) would like us to believe. In regards to the dangers of the Pfizer vaccine in particular, I think scientific evidence falls short in the face of the mounting evidence of thousands upon thousands of serious adverse reactions and deaths that have occurred globally as a result of this unimaginably corrupt corporations vaccine roll out. Despite the obvious coverup of this and the pathetic, not fit for purpose 'yellow card scheme' of our own hugely corrupt government, finding evidence that the Pfizer vaccine is harmful is rather easy to do. These recent reports maybe of interest... childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/doctors-ethics-halt-pfizer-covid-vaccines-adolescents/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=feb65855-2fc4-4c4c-b401-a4b35eb74b51childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-heart-inflammation-warning-pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccines/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=0acc339b-ba32-4c96-bb71-674ecda44e33childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pfizer-skipped-critical-testing-quality-standards-covid-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=9a6a23a2-99ed-451d-9dd8-e1e11c76af8egreatgameindia.com/israel-report-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects/?fbclid=IwAR3HGTvjrKkyrztXvqsPhqB6ocKEghZasQA72BApNuHWghuoL1UF9DiZX-8www.activistpost.com/2021/05/science-journals-support-claim-that-pfizer-covid-vaccine-may-cause-deadly-neurodegenerative-disease.htmlWhat I do find of barely no significance is the results of a PCR test of which the very creator of, Kary Mullis, said is of absolutely no use in testing for infectious disease. How convenient is it that this man of great integrity and who was openly despised by the American version of Chris Whitty, Dr fauci, died in late 2019 just before this virus hoax that was soon to play out without him being able to loudly expose for what it is. This is why I will not be surprised at the inevitable positive case rise, which will no doubt be occurring over the next few weeks, is used as the de-facto excuse to drag us all into another lockdown and with it the final nail in our collective psychological and economical coffin. The consolidation of power by the tech elites combined with the strengthened restrictions and surveillance of the public as a result - hence playing into the world economic forum's hands, tightening their grip on our lives and bringing the great reset/4th industrial revolution ever more into dystopian reality. As the old adage goes, never let a crisis go to waste.
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Post by mikehunt on Jul 19, 2021 21:38:50 GMT
I thought his explanation made it clear, not baffling at all, even to the point I could use that to explain it to kids. Koch's posulate uses criteria from the 19th century, some of which is outdated now. Not having a peer reviewed paper based on that is barely significant. I'm glad I had the AZ one if the Pfizer is going to make me really ill soon. Altho my missus had that, so can you show me the scientific evidence that means I need to up her life insurance asap? Speaking of her, she's worked with covid patients for 18 months sometimes with a fit mask, sometimes with the same ones we all use, and she's never tested pos, including antibody test. She also gets wiped out by about literally everything that's going around, yet not seemingly had it. I'll let people do as they see fit whether they wear one or not, but I'm sure they do make some difference. If I was visiting someone in hospital, I'd 100% wear one, I don't find them a pain to wear at all. The only inconvenience is when I forget mine and have to go back at get it. I'll wear it if it seems appropriate or if others want me to. No skin off my nose. But likewise I'll give no-one any shit if they don't. Free world innit. Unless they're coughing their guts up on my steak The principles of Koch's postulates have indeed been altered beyond recognition since their creation over 130 years ago. However, it is broadly agreed that the changes have on the whole, served only to water down the postulates - and this is why they're still used today by most researchers seeking to definitively prove or disprove the existence of a pathogen and it's relationship to a particular disease. That scientists have yet to do so conclusively with the novel coronavirus and covid 19 IS hugely significant. The complete absence of any scientific papers or evidence of the causative microorganism being isolated is tremendously important, despite what the sacred fact-checkers like Reuters (whose CEO Jim Smith also happens to be on the board of directors at Pfizer - not the late bald eagle haha!) would like us to believe. In regards to the dangers of the Pfizer vaccine in particular, I think scientific evidence falls short in the face of the mounting evidence of thousands upon thousands of serious adverse reactions and deaths that have occurred globally as a result of this unimaginably corrupt corporations vaccine roll out. Despite the obvious coverup of this and the pathetic, not fit for purpose 'yellow card scheme' of our own hugely corrupt government, finding evidence that the Pfizer vaccine is harmful is rather easy to do. These recent reports maybe of interest... childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/doctors-ethics-halt-pfizer-covid-vaccines-adolescents/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=feb65855-2fc4-4c4c-b401-a4b35eb74b51childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-heart-inflammation-warning-pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccines/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=0acc339b-ba32-4c96-bb71-674ecda44e33childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pfizer-skipped-critical-testing-quality-standards-covid-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=9a6a23a2-99ed-451d-9dd8-e1e11c76af8egreatgameindia.com/israel-report-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects/?fbclid=IwAR3HGTvjrKkyrztXvqsPhqB6ocKEghZasQA72BApNuHWghuoL1UF9DiZX-8www.activistpost.com/2021/05/science-journals-support-claim-that-pfizer-covid-vaccine-may-cause-deadly-neurodegenerative-disease.htmlWhat I do find of barely no significance is the results of a PCR test of which the very creator of, Kary Mullis, said is of absolutely no use in testing for infectious disease. How convenient is it that this man of great integrity and who was openly despised by the American version of Chris Whitty, Dr fauci, died in late 2019 just before this virus hoax that was soon to play out without him being able to loudly expose for what it is. Children’s Health Defence are hardly objective. Mullis didn’t say PCR is no use for infectious diseases. PCR is used to detect genetic sequence of viruses, but not viruses. It was a guy in the 90s talking about HIV/AIDS who the quote misattributed to Mullis. We have a thermal cycler in a room off the micro lab at work, we use it for bacteria because it can detect species that are hard to grow on a culture plate, we’re not set up for virology. It can tell you what the bacteria or virus is, but not how much is present without more equipment. So unless the infectious bacteria we have in the lab aren’t infact infectious, and I’m not going to go and start licking an agar plate with E.Coli growing on it or sipping from a stock of clinical isolate of pseudomonas from burns to prove otherwise, I’d say PCR can detect infectious diseases. I’m not a microbiologist or a virologist, but I’ve been doing it long enough to know my arse from my elbow.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Jul 19, 2021 21:58:55 GMT
Which is why it could be argued the mask wearing has become little more than a act of cultish symbolism. A way of signalling to others "don't look at me, i'm complying, leave me alone i'm a good person...." The whole mask argument seems to centre around people with weak immune systems being more at risk from covid. So surely the government should be encouraging people to improve their immunity by eating healthy, balanced diets... by taking regular exercise... by cutting down on smoking/ binge drinking etc? And if you don't and you catch covid, well thats on you. But no, lets bash everyone with petty, demeaning rules that infringe on basic rights and liberties.... to protect a few idiots who can't take responsibility for their own life choices. (that isn't directed at the genuinely vulnerable people) Since the first lockdown i've become much more conscious about what i eat and drink. I don't smoke (not judging anyone that does) No tests. No vax. No masks where possible. And i've been absolutely fine, despite coming into contact with 100/1000s of people a week due to my 'key worker' job. Brilliant. I’m happy for you. No amount of exercise, healthy eating, balanced diets make much difference if your immune system is suppressed by medication because you have Crohns, have had a transplant or having cancer treatment. It won’t make a difference to those who have had a lung disease which has left scarring or have COPD. It might make a difference to T2 diabetes which costs 10% of the NHS budget though. And there is no link between T2 diabetes and a probability of catching Covid. Wear a mask or don’t, but don’t whinge about other people who do want to wear one. Improved hygiene is important, I don’t think it’s a coincidence since coronavirus restrictions are being relaxed that noro virus cases are rising. Live and let live. Your anecdotal case study with an N of 1 doesn’t necessarily apply to the other 60 million in the UK. If people want to wear one fine, but don’t say they have an immune problem because of their lifestyle, because it isn’t always the case. For your information i have had stage 3 bowel cancer. I had 9 months of chemo so know all about ‘immuno suppressants’. Like i said, if you’re vulnerable, take the necessary precautions. Just don’t impose petty, token, meaningless, demeaning, pathetic mandates on everyone else as if the world fucking exists to serve you. I was specifically talking about covid, not genuinely serious diseases. Covid is harmless to healthy people with functioning immune systems, despite what the propaganda claims. Maybe if people paid as much attention to there own lifestyles as they did virtue signalling, they’d be no need for masks if indeed their ever was.
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Post by tommycairns on Jul 19, 2021 22:12:18 GMT
The principles of Koch's postulates have indeed been altered beyond recognition since their creation over 130 years ago. However, it is broadly agreed that the changes have on the whole, served only to water down the postulates - and this is why they're still used today by most researchers seeking to definitively prove or disprove the existence of a pathogen and it's relationship to a particular disease. That scientists have yet to do so conclusively with the novel coronavirus and covid 19 IS hugely significant. The complete absence of any scientific papers or evidence of the causative microorganism being isolated is tremendously important, despite what the sacred fact-checkers like Reuters (whose CEO Jim Smith also happens to be on the board of directors at Pfizer - not the late bald eagle haha!) would like us to believe. In regards to the dangers of the Pfizer vaccine in particular, I think scientific evidence falls short in the face of the mounting evidence of thousands upon thousands of serious adverse reactions and deaths that have occurred globally as a result of this unimaginably corrupt corporations vaccine roll out. Despite the obvious coverup of this and the pathetic, not fit for purpose 'yellow card scheme' of our own hugely corrupt government, finding evidence that the Pfizer vaccine is harmful is rather easy to do. These recent reports maybe of interest... childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/doctors-ethics-halt-pfizer-covid-vaccines-adolescents/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=feb65855-2fc4-4c4c-b401-a4b35eb74b51childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fda-heart-inflammation-warning-pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccines/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=0acc339b-ba32-4c96-bb71-674ecda44e33childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pfizer-skipped-critical-testing-quality-standards-covid-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=9a6a23a2-99ed-451d-9dd8-e1e11c76af8egreatgameindia.com/israel-report-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects/?fbclid=IwAR3HGTvjrKkyrztXvqsPhqB6ocKEghZasQA72BApNuHWghuoL1UF9DiZX-8www.activistpost.com/2021/05/science-journals-support-claim-that-pfizer-covid-vaccine-may-cause-deadly-neurodegenerative-disease.htmlWhat I do find of barely no significance is the results of a PCR test of which the very creator of, Kary Mullis, said is of absolutely no use in testing for infectious disease. How convenient is it that this man of great integrity and who was openly despised by the American version of Chris Whitty, Dr fauci, died in late 2019 just before this virus hoax that was soon to play out without him being able to loudly expose for what it is. Children’s Health Defence are hardly objective. Mullis didn’t say PCR is no use for infectious diseases. PCR is used to detect genetic sequence of viruses, but not viruses. It was a guy in the 90s talking about HIV/AIDS who the quote misattributed to Mullis. We have a thermal cycler in a room off the micro lab at work, we use it for bacteria because it can detect species that are hard to grow on a culture plate, we’re not set up for virology. It can tell you what the bacteria or virus is, but not how much is present without more equipment. So unless the infectious bacteria we have in the lab aren’t infact infectious, and I’m not going to go and start licking an agar plate with E.Coli growing on it or sipping from a stock of clinical isolate of pseudomonas from burns to prove otherwise, I’d say PCR can detect infectious diseases. I’m not a microbiologist or a virologist, but I’ve been doing it long enough to know my arse from my elbow. I likewise am not a virologist nor a microbiologist or educated in any scientific way, unlike your good self appear to be. I rely on my own intuition -my 'inner tutor' - and my good ol' inbuilt bullshit detector. I am aware of the massive limits of these apparatus but they are all I have got. Here is the video of Mullis saying that the PCR test is not fit for the purposes of detecting infection on account of the fact it is able to find anything in anything and from there i think he is implying that one can manipulate the results in what way one sees fit.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 19, 2021 22:19:50 GMT
Brilliant. I’m happy for you. No amount of exercise, healthy eating, balanced diets make much difference if your immune system is suppressed by medication because you have Crohns, have had a transplant or having cancer treatment. It won’t make a difference to those who have had a lung disease which has left scarring or have COPD. It might make a difference to T2 diabetes which costs 10% of the NHS budget though. And there is no link between T2 diabetes and a probability of catching Covid. Wear a mask or don’t, but don’t whinge about other people who do want to wear one. Improved hygiene is important, I don’t think it’s a coincidence since coronavirus restrictions are being relaxed that noro virus cases are rising. Live and let live. Your anecdotal case study with an N of 1 doesn’t necessarily apply to the other 60 million in the UK. If people want to wear one fine, but don’t say they have an immune problem because of their lifestyle, because it isn’t always the case. For your information i have had stage 3 bowel cancer. I had 9 months of chemo so know all about ‘immuno suppressants’. Like i said, if you’re vulnerable, take the necessary precautions. Just don’t impose petty, token, meaningless, demeaning, pathetic mandates on everyone else as if the world fucking exists to serve you. I was specifically talking about covid, not genuinely serious diseases. Covid is harmless to healthy people with functioning immune systems, despite what the propaganda claims. Maybe if people paid as much attention to there own lifestyles as they did virtue signalling, they’d be no need for masks if indeed their ever was. Try telling that to the family of a good mate of mine, Geoff Pryce, a former pro rugby player and regular gym goer. I know i used to train with him. Complete clean bill of health. Lost his life to this damn virus in a relatively short space of time. i know there is freedom of choice of not taking the virus and now not wearing masks and social distancing. But this idea that masks make no difference is a false avenue. Yes, the cheap shitty masks or an old sock isn't gonna make a difference, but wear FFP3 at work from time to time. I have the choice not to but i'd prefer to increase my risk management levels by wearing one than not. Anyone who says masks don't make a difference are wrong.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 19, 2021 22:23:09 GMT
Children’s Health Defence are hardly objective. Mullis didn’t say PCR is no use for infectious diseases. PCR is used to detect genetic sequence of viruses, but not viruses. It was a guy in the 90s talking about HIV/AIDS who the quote misattributed to Mullis. We have a thermal cycler in a room off the micro lab at work, we use it for bacteria because it can detect species that are hard to grow on a culture plate, we’re not set up for virology. It can tell you what the bacteria or virus is, but not how much is present without more equipment. So unless the infectious bacteria we have in the lab aren’t infact infectious, and I’m not going to go and start licking an agar plate with E.Coli growing on it or sipping from a stock of clinical isolate of pseudomonas from burns to prove otherwise, I’d say PCR can detect infectious diseases. I’m not a microbiologist or a virologist, but I’ve been doing it long enough to know my arse from my elbow. I likewise am not a virologist nor a microbiologist or educated in any scientific way, unlike your good self appear to be. I rely on my own intuition -my 'inner tutor' - and my good ol' inbuilt bullshit detector. I am aware of the massive limits of these apparatus but they are all I have got. Here is the video of Mullis saying that the PCR test is not fit for the purposes of detecting infection on account of the fact it is able to find anything in anything and from there i think he is implying that one can manipulate the results in what way one sees fit. I'llk ask you a simple question, one i certainly don't have an answer for. Lets say all this info you are researching is true. Whats the end product to all this? Never know, if its plausible i might jump on board.
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Post by tommycairns on Jul 19, 2021 22:50:43 GMT
I likewise am not a virologist nor a microbiologist or educated in any scientific way, unlike your good self appear to be. I rely on my own intuition -my 'inner tutor' - and my good ol' inbuilt bullshit detector. I am aware of the massive limits of these apparatus but they are all I have got. Here is the video of Mullis saying that the PCR test is not fit for the purposes of detecting infection on account of the fact it is able to find anything in anything and from there i think he is implying that one can manipulate the results in what way one sees fit. I'llk ask you a simple question, one i certainly don't have an answer for. Lets say all this info you are researching is true. Whats the end product to all this? Never know, if its plausible i might jump on board. New world order innit? One global government with a manageable worker drone population to serve the elite as they live comfortably at our expense. Companies like neurolink are openly working towards combining A.I with man - the consequences of which will no doubt be disastrous despite the sales pitch that it will make the disabled able, enhance our physical and intellectual abilities. These lockdowns will not stop and the next one coming will be climate lockdowns. HAARP in Alaska has been manipulating the ionosphere for donkeys. Weather manipulation was a tool used as far back as world war 2. The divide and conquer process can be seen clearly in the transgender agenda in which you now have a situation where it is legal to begin hormone therapy on infants for the purposes of sex change. How much more divided can you get? Researching agenda 21 will fill you in more, and I personally find this link useful in introducing folk to the bigger picture as it connects the seemingly unrelated dots to form a cohesive study on the ultimate 'end game plan'. Fear porn that may be useful to protect yourself and your loved ones against the satanic cult behind it all. steverotter.com/agenda-21-and-agenda-2030-new-world-order/
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Post by Neshead on Jul 19, 2021 23:07:37 GMT
I'llk ask you a simple question, one i certainly don't have an answer for. Lets say all this info you are researching is true. Whats the end product to all this? Never know, if its plausible i might jump on board. New world order innit? One global government with a manageable worker drone population to serve the elite as they live comfortably at our expense. Companies like neurolink are openly working towards combining A.I with man - the consequences of which will no doubt be disastrous despite the sales pitch that it will make the disabled able, enhance our physical and intellectual abilities. These lockdowns will not stop and the next one coming will be climate lockdowns. HAARP in Alaska has been manipulating the ionosphere for donkeys. Weather manipulation was a tool used as far back as world war 2. The divide and conquer process can be seen clearly in the transgender agenda in which you now have a situation where it is legal to begin hormone therapy on infants for the purposes of sex change. How much more divided can you get? Researching agenda 21 will fill you in more, and I personally find this link useful in introducing folk to the bigger picture as it connects the seemingly unrelated dots to form a cohesive study on the ultimate 'end game plan'. Fear porn that may be useful to protect yourself and your loved ones against the satanic cult behind it all. steverotter.com/agenda-21-and-agenda-2030-new-world-order/Fair comment. The virus was definitely a planned incident, theres a lot of people who are very naive in this world and do believe everything they are told via the MSM. Most are happy as long as they put food on the table and get to watch Ant and Dec on a Saturday night. We as individuals are worthless, expendable as the deliberate spreading of this virus has shown. i guess it depends on your personal angle and what your narrative is? Take the vaccine minister, propert portfolio over £100 million. Over £30 billion on track and trace, there are some halfwits who actually think companies aren't making a profit from vaccine production
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Jul 20, 2021 1:07:53 GMT
For your information i have had stage 3 bowel cancer. I had 9 months of chemo so know all about ‘immuno suppressants’. Like i said, if you’re vulnerable, take the necessary precautions. Just don’t impose petty, token, meaningless, demeaning, pathetic mandates on everyone else as if the world fucking exists to serve you. I was specifically talking about covid, not genuinely serious diseases. Covid is harmless to healthy people with functioning immune systems, despite what the propaganda claims. Maybe if people paid as much attention to there own lifestyles as they did virtue signalling, they’d be no need for masks if indeed their ever was. Try telling that to the family of a good mate of mine, Geoff Pryce, a former pro rugby player and regular gym goer. I know i used to train with him. Complete clean bill of health. Lost his life to this damn virus in a relatively short space of time. i know there is freedom of choice of not taking the virus and now not wearing masks and social distancing. But this idea that masks make no difference is a false avenue. Yes, the cheap shitty masks or an old sock isn't gonna make a difference, but wear FFP3 at work from time to time. I have the choice not to but i'd prefer to increase my risk management levels by wearing one than not. Anyone who says masks don't make a difference are wrong. Without sounding insensitive, Its hard to say whether your late friend was a statistical anomaly or a typical covid case. I tried to google him to do a 'fact check'. Details seemed sketchy, just that he 'died after contracting covid' or 'after a battle with covid'. No info about co morbidities or underlying conditions. It wasn't explicitly said he was 'fit and healthy'. Given the whole 'of or with' debate, as well as documented issues with flawed testing, misdiagnosis and false/misleading info on death certificates. Especially 'at the height' of the pandemic when you had so many misreported covid deaths, you can understand my skepticism. Some masks may work some of the time in a limited way. However there are inherent risks such as potential respiratory issues and build up of bacteria. Diet obviously has a massive effect on health and well being. To dismiss that is just being disingenuous. Which begs the question.... Of all the possible strategies to combat covid, why are we being railroaded into the ones which happen to generate the most profit for certain special interests while causing untold economic and social damage? . Almost as if its by design. It feels like we're arguing over superfluous side issues while ignoring the elephant in the room. There is obviously something going on.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 20, 2021 4:49:42 GMT
For your information i have had stage 3 bowel cancer. I had 9 months of chemo so know all about ‘immuno suppressants’. Like i said, if you’re vulnerable, take the necessary precautions. Just don’t impose petty, token, meaningless, demeaning, pathetic mandates on everyone else as if the world fucking exists to serve you. I was specifically talking about covid, not genuinely serious diseases. Covid is harmless to healthy people with functioning immune systems, despite what the propaganda claims. Maybe if people paid as much attention to there own lifestyles as they did virtue signalling, they’d be no need for masks if indeed their ever was. Try telling that to the family of a good mate of mine, Geoff Pryce, a former pro rugby player and regular gym goer. I know i used to train with him. Complete clean bill of health. Lost his life to this damn virus in a relatively short space of time. i know there is freedom of choice of not taking the virus and now not wearing masks and social distancing. But this idea that masks make no difference is a false avenue. Yes, the cheap shitty masks or an old sock isn't gonna make a difference, but wear FFP3 at work from time to time. I have the choice not to but i'd prefer to increase my risk management levels by wearing one than not. Anyone who says masks don't make a difference are wrong. Most of the issues with mask wearing are behavioural. Once worn a mask should be disposed of, not stuffed in your pocket to be pulled out and re-worn numerous times. There’s even advise that a mask should be changed every five to eight minutes even if it hasn’t been removed as they can collect bacteria which is then held against your airways in its own warm, damp microclimate. A forty minute train journey would require using half a dozen masks or so. Aside from the cost the levels of waste across the whole country would be astronomical. Used correctly we’d each have to go through so many masks per day as to render the whole exercise unworkable. Then there’s the different kinds of masks, the vast majority of which are useless when it comes to stopping a microscopic virus. The cloth ones especially are ridiculous and, on a microscopic level, are the equivalent of breathing through a garden trellis. I’ve even seen the argument made that most of the masks we see around actually aerosolise a sneeze or cough, reducing the size of any droplets that pass through which increases the distance they travel and negates much of the two metre distancing that we’re told to have so much faith in. The argument for masks isn’t clear cut and they would only make a positive contribution if people were wearing the right type of mask in the right way, which next to nobody is.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 20, 2021 5:16:19 GMT
Try telling that to the family of a good mate of mine, Geoff Pryce, a former pro rugby player and regular gym goer. I know i used to train with him. Complete clean bill of health. Lost his life to this damn virus in a relatively short space of time. i know there is freedom of choice of not taking the virus and now not wearing masks and social distancing. But this idea that masks make no difference is a false avenue. Yes, the cheap shitty masks or an old sock isn't gonna make a difference, but wear FFP3 at work from time to time. I have the choice not to but i'd prefer to increase my risk management levels by wearing one than not. Anyone who says masks don't make a difference are wrong. Most of the issues with mask wearing are behavioural. Once worn a mask should be disposed of, not stuffed in your pocket to be pulled out and re-worn numerous times. There’s even advise that a mask should be changed every five to eight minutes even if it hasn’t been removed as they can collect bacteria which is then held against your airways in its own warm, damp microclimate. A forty minute train journey would require using half a dozen masks or so. Aside from the cost the levels of waste across the whole country would be astronomical. Used correctly we’d each have to go through so many masks per day as to render the whole exercise unworkable. Then there’s the different kinds of masks, the vast majority of which are useless when it comes to stopping a microscopic virus. The cloth ones especially are ridiculous and, on a microscopic level, are the equivalent of breathing through a garden trellis. I’ve even seen the argument made that most of the masks we see around actually aerosolise a sneeze or cough, reducing the size of any droplets that pass through which increases the distance they travel and negates much of the two metre distancing that we’re told to have so much faith in. The argument for masks isn’t clear cut and they would only make a positive contribution if people were wearing the right type of mask in the right way, which next to nobody is. Then why do surgeons and his/her team wear surgical masks when carrying out operations? Maybe they should just come in with jeans and t-shirt. There's a lot of misinformation regarding masks and people tend to believe the view that matches their narrative. I'm not a full on you gotta wear a mask type but I keep seeing this myth perpetuated that masks don't make a difference when it's clearly not true.
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Post by mikehunt on Jul 20, 2021 5:35:27 GMT
Most of the issues with mask wearing are behavioural. Once worn a mask should be disposed of, not stuffed in your pocket to be pulled out and re-worn numerous times. There’s even advise that a mask should be changed every five to eight minutes even if it hasn’t been removed as they can collect bacteria which is then held against your airways in its own warm, damp microclimate. A forty minute train journey would require using half a dozen masks or so. Aside from the cost the levels of waste across the whole country would be astronomical. Used correctly we’d each have to go through so many masks per day as to render the whole exercise unworkable. Then there’s the different kinds of masks, the vast majority of which are useless when it comes to stopping a microscopic virus. The cloth ones especially are ridiculous and, on a microscopic level, are the equivalent of breathing through a garden trellis. I’ve even seen the argument made that most of the masks we see around actually aerosolise a sneeze or cough, reducing the size of any droplets that pass through which increases the distance they travel and negates much of the two metre distancing that we’re told to have so much faith in. The argument for masks isn’t clear cut and they would only make a positive contribution if people were wearing the right type of mask in the right way, which next to nobody is. Then why do surgeons and his/her team wear surgical masks when carrying out operations? Maybe they should just come in with jeans and t-shirt. There's a lot of misinformation regarding masks and people tend to believe the view that matches their narrative. I'm not a full on you gotta wear a mask type but I keep seeing this myth perpetuated that masks don't make a difference when it's clearly not true. It’s risk reduction and risk v benefit. Wearing a mask, washing your hands and wearing sterile gloves whilst operating on someone isn’t 100% guaranteed to prevent and infection, but it reduces the probability of infection. If it was life or death, say on a battlefield you might do the job without the the masks and so on and worry about infection later, the risk of infection is balanced against the benefit of not bleeding to death. It’s the same with Covid, flu, noro virus and a cold, wash your hands, wear a mask and don’t touch your face, and you reduce the probability of getting ill. It’s not 100% certain to work, but it reduces the probability. If you don’t wear them properly then you’re pissing in the wind. There’s no conspiracy behind that.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 20, 2021 5:55:03 GMT
Most of the issues with mask wearing are behavioural. Once worn a mask should be disposed of, not stuffed in your pocket to be pulled out and re-worn numerous times. There’s even advise that a mask should be changed every five to eight minutes even if it hasn’t been removed as they can collect bacteria which is then held against your airways in its own warm, damp microclimate. A forty minute train journey would require using half a dozen masks or so. Aside from the cost the levels of waste across the whole country would be astronomical. Used correctly we’d each have to go through so many masks per day as to render the whole exercise unworkable. Then there’s the different kinds of masks, the vast majority of which are useless when it comes to stopping a microscopic virus. The cloth ones especially are ridiculous and, on a microscopic level, are the equivalent of breathing through a garden trellis. I’ve even seen the argument made that most of the masks we see around actually aerosolise a sneeze or cough, reducing the size of any droplets that pass through which increases the distance they travel and negates much of the two metre distancing that we’re told to have so much faith in. The argument for masks isn’t clear cut and they would only make a positive contribution if people were wearing the right type of mask in the right way, which next to nobody is. Then why do surgeons and his/her team wear surgical masks when carrying out operations? Maybe they should just come in with jeans and t-shirt. There's a lot of misinformation regarding masks and people tend to believe the view that matches their narrative. I'm not a full on you gotta wear a mask type but I keep seeing this myth perpetuated that masks don't make a difference when it's clearly not true. Firstly you’re not comparing like with like. An operating theatre is a sterile environment so the act of touching surfaces or equipment then adjusting or swapping your mask doesn’t carry anything like the risks that handling the produce in Morrison’s and doing the same does. Secondly in the case of operations there’s a high chance of blood spatter which is why they often wear a visor instead of or along with a mask. Oddly in this instance the mask is to protect the wearer not everyone else in the garden centre as we’re led to believe is the case with Covid. Thirdly the science on the efficacy beyond protecting the wearer from blood spatter is far from settled. There’s been a few studies that masks confer no more risk reduction on the procedure in question above and beyond that which is gained from the standard sterilising of the theatre and equipment. For most routine operations it’s quite likely that masks make no difference to patient risk at all.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 20, 2021 5:58:43 GMT
Then why do surgeons and his/her team wear surgical masks when carrying out operations? Maybe they should just come in with jeans and t-shirt. There's a lot of misinformation regarding masks and people tend to believe the view that matches their narrative. I'm not a full on you gotta wear a mask type but I keep seeing this myth perpetuated that masks don't make a difference when it's clearly not true. It’s risk reduction and risk v benefit. Wearing a mask, washing your hands and wearing sterile gloves whilst operating on someone isn’t 100% guaranteed to prevent and infection, but it reduces the probability of infection. If it was life or death, say on a battlefield you might do the job without the the masks and so on and worry about infection later, the risk of infection is balanced against the benefit of not bleeding to death. It’s the same with Covid, flu, noro virus and a cold, wash your hands, wear a mask and don’t touch your face, and you reduce the probability of getting ill. It’s not 100% certain to work, but it reduces the probability. If you don’t wear them properly then you’re pissing in the wind. There’s no conspiracy behind that. Some of the sights I see with mask-wearing beggars belief at times. I was in the Co-op recently and third in the queue. The guy at the front was wearing a joiner’s dust mask and the one behind him was wearing a grubby snood he’d pulled up over his top lip at the door. It’s difficult to believe anyone can think things like this are performing any sort of worthwhile function and they’ve simply got to be going through the motions just to get a four pack unmolested.
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Post by mikehunt on Jul 20, 2021 7:49:51 GMT
It’s risk reduction and risk v benefit. Wearing a mask, washing your hands and wearing sterile gloves whilst operating on someone isn’t 100% guaranteed to prevent and infection, but it reduces the probability of infection. If it was life or death, say on a battlefield you might do the job without the the masks and so on and worry about infection later, the risk of infection is balanced against the benefit of not bleeding to death. It’s the same with Covid, flu, noro virus and a cold, wash your hands, wear a mask and don’t touch your face, and you reduce the probability of getting ill. It’s not 100% certain to work, but it reduces the probability. If you don’t wear them properly then you’re pissing in the wind. There’s no conspiracy behind that. Some of the sights I see with mask-wearing beggars belief at times. I was in the Co-op recently and third in the queue. The guy at the front was wearing a joiner’s dust mask and the one behind him was wearing a grubby snood he’d pulled up over his top lip at the door. It’s difficult to believe anyone can think things like this are performing any sort of worthwhile function and they’ve simply got to be going through the motions just to get a four pack unmolested. It’s tinkering at the edges at best, people mixing and a disease spreads, masks or not, I see those clear face visors and think what’s the point? Might as well not bother.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 20, 2021 7:52:58 GMT
Some of the sights I see with mask-wearing beggars belief at times. I was in the Co-op recently and third in the queue. The guy at the front was wearing a joiner’s dust mask and the one behind him was wearing a grubby snood he’d pulled up over his top lip at the door. It’s difficult to believe anyone can think things like this are performing any sort of worthwhile function and they’ve simply got to be going through the motions just to get a four pack unmolested. It’s tinkering at the edges at best, people mixing and a disease spreads, masks or not, I see those clear face visors and think what’s the point? Might as well not bother. Those visors might be useful if we had a tradition in this country of greeting each other by hacking up some lung butter and spitting it in each other’s faces.
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Post by tetchyarse on Jul 20, 2021 8:53:00 GMT
It’s risk reduction and risk v benefit. Wearing a mask, washing your hands and wearing sterile gloves whilst operating on someone isn’t 100% guaranteed to prevent and infection, but it reduces the probability of infection. If it was life or death, say on a battlefield you might do the job without the the masks and so on and worry about infection later, the risk of infection is balanced against the benefit of not bleeding to death. It’s the same with Covid, flu, noro virus and a cold, wash your hands, wear a mask and don’t touch your face, and you reduce the probability of getting ill. It’s not 100% certain to work, but it reduces the probability. If you don’t wear them properly then you’re pissing in the wind. There’s no conspiracy behind that. Some of the sights I see with mask-wearing beggars belief at times. I was in the Co-op recently and third in the queue. The guy at the front was wearing a joiner’s dust mask and the one behind him was wearing a grubby snood he’d pulled up over his top lip at the door. It’s difficult to believe anyone can think things like this are performing any sort of worthwhile function and they’ve simply got to be going through the motions just to get a four pack unmolested. I think most people are just going through the motions. I don't blame them. I'm one of those who shove a cloth mask in my pocket and use that, if I thought they made much difference I'd take more care, but as I don't then I don't. I don't understand those who see face coverings as some mega New World Order conspiracy; as much as anything, governments generally don't want us to hide our faces from the CCTV.
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Post by mikehunt on Jul 20, 2021 9:13:45 GMT
Some of the sights I see with mask-wearing beggars belief at times. I was in the Co-op recently and third in the queue. The guy at the front was wearing a joiner’s dust mask and the one behind him was wearing a grubby snood he’d pulled up over his top lip at the door. It’s difficult to believe anyone can think things like this are performing any sort of worthwhile function and they’ve simply got to be going through the motions just to get a four pack unmolested. I think most people are just going through the motions. I don't blame them. I'm one of those who shove a cloth mask in my pocket and use that, if I thought they made much difference I'd take more care, but as I don't then I don't. I don't understand those who see face coverings as some mega New World Order conspiracy; as much as anything, governments generally don't want us to hide our faces from the CCTV. The phone in my pocket carries far more information about me than anything else. If any government wants to know about me they need to hack that, not make me wear a mask or have a vaccination
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 20, 2021 9:17:02 GMT
Some of the sights I see with mask-wearing beggars belief at times. I was in the Co-op recently and third in the queue. The guy at the front was wearing a joiner’s dust mask and the one behind him was wearing a grubby snood he’d pulled up over his top lip at the door. It’s difficult to believe anyone can think things like this are performing any sort of worthwhile function and they’ve simply got to be going through the motions just to get a four pack unmolested. I think most people are just going through the motions. I don't blame them. I'm one of those who shove a cloth mask in my pocket and use that, if I thought they made much difference I'd take more care, but as I don't then I don't. I don't understand those who see face coverings as some mega New World Order conspiracy; as much as anything, governments generally don't want us to hide our faces from the CCTV. I doesn’t even need to run that deep for me. Maybe I’m on the spectrum but if I don’t see a practical value in something then I’m not playing.
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