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Post by Neshead on Jul 17, 2021 20:09:41 GMT
Yer ma must be stronger than you think if she survived the genocide jab pal Good thing about this forum is we’re all very different and have varying opinions on non-City subjects but don’t fall out. I’m not gonna argue the point with you but that’s probably the stupidest comment I’ve ever read on here. Enjoy the evening sunshine Tommy lad. Enjoyed too much sunshine judging the post.
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Post by Hoochy on Jul 17, 2021 21:39:21 GMT
Personally speaking I won’t wear a mask and haven’t done yet. I won’t browbeat anyone who chooses to do so. I don’t try and convert anyone to my way of thinking - I’ve made my choice, they’ve made theirs. In the unlikely event I was ever asked to leave a premises for not wearing a mask I’d simply leave. They don’t work and I’m not prepared to pretend they do. I disagree with you on the effectiveness of masks but in the spirit of the forum I respect your right to be wrong. The spirit of the forum being that you can discuss things without people behaving like babies or fannies. So come on and tell Hob why he's wrong.
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Post by tommycairns on Jul 17, 2021 21:54:15 GMT
I disagree with you on the effectiveness of masks but in the spirit of the forum I respect your right to be wrong. And I respect your right to being wrong about me being wrong. Or right. I’m not sure any more. Nailed it first time, friend. Respect. The effectiveness of masks is beyond debate if you were to truly study it.. Do you know how small particles of a virus (any virus ) are? Very small. Getting through fabric would be akin to mosquitoes passing through chicken wire. Can you smell a fart with the mask on? But this is a forum about football, and not the plandemic hoax... The basic decency one applies to another during any debate should be universal, and not restricted to the rules or regulations of a particular medium - I.e the cows arse. Respect
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Post by Neshead on Jul 17, 2021 22:44:13 GMT
And I respect your right to being wrong about me being wrong. Or right. I’m not sure any more. Nailed it first time, friend. Respect. The effectiveness of masks is beyond debate if you were to truly study it.. Do you know how small particles of a virus (any virus ) are? Very small. Getting through fabric would be akin to mosquitoes passing through chicken wire. Can you smell a fart with the mask on? But this is a forum about football, and not the plandemic hoax... The basic decency one applies to another during any debate should be universal, and not restricted to the rules or regulations of a particular medium - I.e the cows arse. Respect U. Wot. Mate.
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Post by mikehunt on Jul 17, 2021 22:53:42 GMT
And I respect your right to being wrong about me being wrong. Or right. I’m not sure any more. Nailed it first time, friend. Respect. The effectiveness of masks is beyond debate if you were to truly study it.. Do you know how small particles of a virus (any virus ) are? Very small. Getting through fabric would be akin to mosquitoes passing through chicken wire. Can you smell a fart with the mask on? But this is a forum about football, and not the plandemic hoax... The basic decency one applies to another during any debate should be universal, and not restricted to the rules or regulations of a particular medium - I.e the cows arse. Respect Sub micron sized, 0.02 to 0.5 micron. Exhaled or coughed in an aerosol they are in much larger particles, maybe around 2-5 microns, because they are aggregated or in water or mucous. Much bigger than that and aerosol particles fall under gravity and aren’t a problem unless you touch a surface with them on. A simple cloth mask stops about 50% of 0.6 micron particles, FFP3 or N95 maybe 99.9%. It’s about minimising the amount you exhale and someone else inhales. Halve the amount an infected person spreads, and halve the amount you breath in, and you’re exposed to a quarter of the dose. The smell of a fart is a gas molecule, something like cadaverine is a hundredth or even a thousandth the size of a virus particle so will pass through smaller meshes. And they don’t aggregate in an aerosol like viruses or bacteria. And yes, I do know about non-wovens and filtration. It’s part of my job. Don’t wear one if you don’t want to, but don’t tell anybody else the shouldn’t or they don’t work, they’re not perfect. I’d rather the surgeon operating on me wore a mask to prevent infection, and if I’m knocking down an asbestos shed, which are also less than a micron in size, I’m wearing a mask.
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Post by bantam147 on Jul 17, 2021 23:14:33 GMT
Wear a mask? I'm not fucking Batman, so no, I won't.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Jul 18, 2021 0:00:05 GMT
No m8. Just normal sane people who don't want to be hen pecked in suffocating themselves to 'save a granny' I'm double jabbed but for the time being I'll continue to wear a mask in shops and, at City, on the concourse to protect my own mum who has chronic COPD and would last about an hour if she got covid in any form, even a watered down version seeing as she's double jabbed too. Don't be too quick to judge m8s. But labelling anyone a chooses not to wear a mask an 'attention seeker' isn't judgemental? When i said 'save a granny' i was saying it pejoratively in reference to the ridiculous 'don't kill a granny' slogan used to manipulate people into giving away basic rights and liberties. I certainly wasn't being flippant about genuinley vulnerable people. Speaking as someone who has recovered from stage 3 cancer and 9 months of chemo. I know only too well the risks even minor diseases pose to people with chronic underlying conditions. However I didn't expect the whole world to stop so i could feel 'safe'. I didn't expect other people to wear face masks in 30 degree heat, potentially damaging their own health to 'protect' mine. And i certainly didn't expect those around me to inject themselves with untested shite for my alleged benefit. If you or anyone you know falls into a vulnerable catagory then its on you to take any necessary precautions. If you want to wear a mask, then good for you. What other people do is their business.
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Post by hobbes on Jul 18, 2021 0:43:09 GMT
I'm double jabbed but for the time being I'll continue to wear a mask in shops and, at City, on the concourse to protect my own mum who has chronic COPD and would last about an hour if she got covid in any form, even a watered down version seeing as she's double jabbed too. Don't be too quick to judge m8s. But labelling anyone a chooses not to wear a mask an 'attention seeker' isn't judgemental? When i said 'save a granny' i was saying it pejoratively in reference to the ridiculous 'don't kill a granny' slogan used to manipulate people into giving away basic rights and liberties. I certainly wasn't being flippant about genuinley vulnerable people. Speaking as someone who has recovered from stage 3 cancer and 9 months of chemo. I know only too well the risks even minor diseases pose to people with chronic underlying conditions. However I didn't expect the whole world to stop so i could feel 'safe'. I didn't expect other people to wear face masks in 30 degree heat, potentially damaging their own health to 'protect' mine. And i certainly didn't expect those around me to inject themselves with untested shite for my alleged benefit. If you or anyone you know falls into a vulnerable catagory then its on you to take any necessary precautions. If you want to wear a mask, then good for you. What other people do is their business. I wasn’t having a dig m9 and you don’t need to protest so much. Not sure where you get the “untested” bit from. But anyway, a granny is always SOMEONE’S granny, or mum, or sister etc. Our government has fucked this whole thing up more than anyone could possibly have imagined. This could all have been forgotten by now if they’d done what needed doing. What THEY want is us cunts arguing amongst ourselves, and all this mask/anti mask/vax shit plays into their hands. I respect anyone’s right to not wear a mask, just don’t call me a sheep for wearing one. Or else.
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Post by hobbes on Jul 18, 2021 0:46:17 GMT
I disagree with you on the effectiveness of masks but in the spirit of the forum I respect your right to be wrong. The spirit of the forum being that you can discuss things without people behaving like babies or fannies. So come on and tell Hob why he's wrong. Ok. Why do surgeons wear face masks when carrying out surgery? Because it hinders infection. Might not 100% stop it but it makes a measurable difference. That is all. Yes I have had a drink, what of it?
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Jul 18, 2021 0:55:45 GMT
This guy articulates the mask debate better than i can...
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jul 18, 2021 7:20:33 GMT
I'm double jabbed but for the time being I'll continue to wear a mask in shops and, at City, on the concourse to protect my own mum who has chronic COPD and would last about an hour if she got covid in any form, even a watered down version seeing as she's double jabbed too. Don't be too quick to judge m8s. But labelling anyone a chooses not to wear a mask an 'attention seeker' isn't judgemental? When i said 'save a granny' i was saying it pejoratively in reference to the ridiculous 'don't kill a granny' slogan used to manipulate people into giving away basic rights and liberties. I certainly wasn't being flippant about genuinley vulnerable people. Speaking as someone who has recovered from stage 3 cancer and 9 months of chemo. I know only too well the risks even minor diseases pose to people with chronic underlying conditions. However I didn't expect the whole world to stop so i could feel 'safe'. I didn't expect other people to wear face masks in 30 degree heat, potentially damaging their own health to 'protect' mine. And i certainly didn't expect those around me to inject themselves with untested shite for my alleged benefit. If you or anyone you know falls into a vulnerable catagory then its on you to take any necessary precautions. If you want to wear a mask, then good for you. What other people do is their business. It was me that said it was attention seeking. It’s not the not wearing masks that’s attention seeking, is the constantly blathering on about how they don’t work and telling everybody you won’t wear one that’s attention seeking. Literally nobody gives a fuck, and people can tell whether you wear one or not by looking at your face.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 18, 2021 8:35:21 GMT
Nailed it first time, friend. Respect. The effectiveness of masks is beyond debate if you were to truly study it.. Do you know how small particles of a virus (any virus ) are? Very small. Getting through fabric would be akin to mosquitoes passing through chicken wire. Can you smell a fart with the mask on? But this is a forum about football, and not the plandemic hoax... The basic decency one applies to another during any debate should be universal, and not restricted to the rules or regulations of a particular medium - I.e the cows arse. Respect Sub micron sized, 0.02 to 0.5 micron. Exhaled or coughed in an aerosol they are in much larger particles, maybe around 2-5 microns, because they are aggregated or in water or mucous. Much bigger than that and aerosol particles fall under gravity and aren’t a problem unless you touch a surface with them on. A simple cloth mask stops about 50% of 0.6 micron particles, FFP3 or N95 maybe 99.9%. It’s about minimising the amount you exhale and someone else inhales. Halve the amount an infected person spreads, and halve the amount you breath in, and you’re exposed to a quarter of the dose. The smell of a fart is a gas molecule, something like cadaverine is a hundredth or even a thousandth the size of a virus particle so will pass through smaller meshes. And they don’t aggregate in an aerosol like viruses or bacteria. And yes, I do know about non-wovens and filtration. It’s part of my job. Don’t wear one if you don’t want to, but don’t tell anybody else the shouldn’t or they don’t work, they’re not perfect. I’d rather the surgeon operating on me wore a mask to prevent infection, and if I’m knocking down an asbestos shed, which are also less than a micron in size, I’m wearing a mask. Anyone seen Tommy?
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Post by tommycairns on Jul 18, 2021 15:00:16 GMT
Sub micron sized, 0.02 to 0.5 micron. Exhaled or coughed in an aerosol they are in much larger particles, maybe around 2-5 microns, because they are aggregated or in water or mucous. Much bigger than that and aerosol particles fall under gravity and aren’t a problem unless you touch a surface with them on. A simple cloth mask stops about 50% of 0.6 micron particles, FFP3 or N95 maybe 99.9%. It’s about minimising the amount you exhale and someone else inhales. Halve the amount an infected person spreads, and halve the amount you breath in, and you’re exposed to a quarter of the dose. The smell of a fart is a gas molecule, something like cadaverine is a hundredth or even a thousandth the size of a virus particle so will pass through smaller meshes. And they don’t aggregate in an aerosol like viruses or bacteria. And yes, I do know about non-wovens and filtration. It’s part of my job. Don’t wear one if you don’t want to, but don’t tell anybody else the shouldn’t or they don’t work, they’re not perfect. I’d rather the surgeon operating on me wore a mask to prevent infection, and if I’m knocking down an asbestos shed, which are also less than a micron in size, I’m wearing a mask. Anyone seen Tommy? The scientific explanation was wonderfully baffling and almost makes one consider thinking there may be something to this covering your mouth and nostrils nonsense - if only out of confusion and fatigue. But the simple fact remains that you can catch a virus just as easy through the pores of the skin, the hair follicles etc.. Also, whilst meandering thru the minefields of scientific jargon - has the original covid-19 virus yet to be isolated? Is there a single peer reviewed paper on planet earth that proves that it has been isolated using the traditional kochs postulate? We are dealing with a re branded influenza here and a cursory glance at the way death certificate manipulation and nursing home euphanasia ( unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/midazolam-the-scandal-that-cannot-be-ignored/) has been happening suggests to me that there is no fucking virus and all those sheep who have rolled up there sleeve to receive a mrna-changing jab that is funded by lunatic eugenicists like bill gates will find out very shortly what a real illness feels like. The point I made originally is that I will not wear one and have a right to do so. Reading this thread makes it clear that 95% here are sensible enough to agree with this point.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 18, 2021 15:55:17 GMT
The scientific explanation was wonderfully baffling and almost makes one consider thinking there may be something to this covering your mouth and nostrils nonsense - if only out of confusion and fatigue. But the simple fact remains that you can catch a virus just as easy through the pores of the skin, the hair follicles etc.. Also, whilst meandering thru the minefields of scientific jargon - has the original covid-19 virus yet to be isolated? Is there a single peer reviewed paper on planet earth that proves that it has been isolated using the traditional kochs postulate? We are dealing with a re branded influenza here and a cursory glance at the way death certificate manipulation and nursing home euphanasia ( unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/midazolam-the-scandal-that-cannot-be-ignored/) has been happening suggests to me that there is no fucking virus and all those sheep who have rolled up there sleeve to receive a mrna-changing jab that is funded by lunatic eugenicists like bill gates will find out very shortly what a real illness feels like. The point I made originally is that I will not wear one and have a right to do so. Reading this thread makes it clear that 95% here are sensible enough to agree with this point. Nice to see you post without bringing family members into it.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 18, 2021 15:56:37 GMT
The scientific explanation was wonderfully baffling and almost makes one consider thinking there may be something to this covering your mouth and nostrils nonsense - if only out of confusion and fatigue. But the simple fact remains that you can catch a virus just as easy through the pores of the skin, the hair follicles etc.. Also, whilst meandering thru the minefields of scientific jargon - has the original covid-19 virus yet to be isolated? Is there a single peer reviewed paper on planet earth that proves that it has been isolated using the traditional kochs postulate? We are dealing with a re branded influenza here and a cursory glance at the way death certificate manipulation and nursing home euphanasia ( unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/midazolam-the-scandal-that-cannot-be-ignored/) has been happening suggests to me that there is no fucking virus and all those sheep who have rolled up there sleeve to receive a mrna-changing jab that is funded by lunatic eugenicists like bill gates will find out very shortly what a real illness feels like. The point I made originally is that I will not wear one and have a right to do so. Reading this thread makes it clear that 95% here are sensible enough to agree with this point. And as I currently have the wretched virus I can confirm it does feel like having flu for what it's worth.
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Post by Van Ginger on Jul 18, 2021 17:35:52 GMT
The scientific explanation was wonderfully baffling and almost makes one consider thinking there may be something to this covering your mouth and nostrils nonsense - if only out of confusion and fatigue. But the simple fact remains that you can catch a virus just as easy through the pores of the skin, the hair follicles etc.. Also, whilst meandering thru the minefields of scientific jargon - has the original covid-19 virus yet to be isolated? Is there a single peer reviewed paper on planet earth that proves that it has been isolated using the traditional kochs postulate? We are dealing with a re branded influenza here and a cursory glance at the way death certificate manipulation and nursing home euphanasia ( unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/midazolam-the-scandal-that-cannot-be-ignored/) has been happening suggests to me that there is no fucking virus and all those sheep who have rolled up there sleeve to receive a mrna-changing jab that is funded by lunatic eugenicists like bill gates will find out very shortly what a real illness feels like. The point I made originally is that I will not wear one and have a right to do so. Reading this thread makes it clear that 95% here are sensible enough to agree with this point. I thought his explanation made it clear, not baffling at all, even to the point I could use that to explain it to kids. Koch's posulate uses criteria from the 19th century, some of which is outdated now. Not having a peer reviewed paper based on that is barely significant. I'm glad I had the AZ one if the Pfizer is going to make me really ill soon. Altho my missus had that, so can you show me the scientific evidence that means I need to up her life insurance asap? Speaking of her, she's worked with covid patients for 18 months sometimes with a fit mask, sometimes with the same ones we all use, and she's never tested pos, including antibody test. She also gets wiped out by about literally everything that's going around, yet not seemingly had it. I'll let people do as they see fit whether they wear one or not, but I'm sure they do make some difference. If I was visiting someone in hospital, I'd 100% wear one, I don't find them a pain to wear at all. The only inconvenience is when I forget mine and have to go back at get it. I'll wear it if it seems appropriate or if others want me to. No skin off my nose. But likewise I'll give no-one any shit if they don't. Free world innit. Unless they're coughing their guts up on my steak
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Post by kristoffvongomperton on Jul 18, 2021 17:49:08 GMT
The scientific explanation was wonderfully baffling and almost makes one consider thinking there may be something to this covering your mouth and nostrils nonsense - if only out of confusion and fatigue. But the simple fact remains that you can catch a virus just as easy through the pores of the skin, the hair follicles etc.. Also, whilst meandering thru the minefields of scientific jargon - has the original covid-19 virus yet to be isolated? Is there a single peer reviewed paper on planet earth that proves that it has been isolated using the traditional kochs postulate? We are dealing with a re branded influenza here and a cursory glance at the way death certificate manipulation and nursing home euphanasia ( unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/midazolam-the-scandal-that-cannot-be-ignored/) has been happening suggests to me that there is no fucking virus and all those sheep who have rolled up there sleeve to receive a mrna-changing jab that is funded by lunatic eugenicists like bill gates will find out very shortly what a real illness feels like. The point I made originally is that I will not wear one and have a right to do so. Reading this thread makes it clear that 95% here are sensible enough to agree with this point. What you mean is 95% of the posts you’ve read agree with this point. There may well be a majority who don’t agree with you but don’t want to post for fear of being shot down in their opinion. Truth is, most of this is opinion. It’s opinion whether you feel masks work, whether you believe lockdowns work, whether you believe the science or even whether the virus exists. My opinion for what it’s worth is this. If you want to wear a mask, wear one, if you don’t, don’t. If you want to shoot down those who don’t agree with you, study and prove your point unequivocally. I’m not a scientist, or a biologist, I’m not even that intelligent. But, wearing a mask doesn’t really do me any harm for the moment, so I’ll wear one. If it becomes difficult because I’ve worn one for a prolonged period of time, I’ll take it off for a bit. It might not stop me catching something, anything really, but sure as shit it won’t increase the chances
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Post by tetchyarse on Jul 18, 2021 20:21:58 GMT
The evidence is that Covid is an airborne virus that is passed on as aerosol particles, and if you're wearing a face covering then fewer of these particles pass on. For a cloth face covering, it is somewhere between a 50% and 75% reduction in particle spread. The benefit of face coverings is not really on the wearer, but on everyone else who gets to breathe in fewer of their lovely Covidy breath droplets.
But. The further away you are from someone, the fewer Covid particles you breathe in anyway. And if you're outside, the wind carries them away. And, even now, the infection rate in the UK is about 1 in 100. And breathing isn't the only way you can get the particles into your body; someone pisses around with their mask because it's itchy, they touch a tin of beans, then you touch a tin of beans and then you piss around with your mask because it's itchy and your glasses steam up. Hey presto, you've got Covid.
I still believe that the biggest defences against Covid are washing your hands and keeping your personal space. My issue with face masks is that they undermine the most effective protections: stay the fuck away from me, and wash your fucking hands. When I was across in Bradford last month I watched people leave the bogs without washing their hands, but they carefully put their face mask on and so they thought no grannies would die. Talk about missing the point.
City make you wear a face mask at the ground, but there's no soap and no hot water in the bogs. Go figure.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jul 18, 2021 22:11:20 GMT
Can we all stop pissing around and just agree that it’s the worst thing that’s ever happened to anybody ever in the history of the world that we have to put a mask on? Never mind the ridiculous government corruption, or the one rule for them and one for us, I have to put a thing on my face!
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Jul 19, 2021 11:08:09 GMT
The evidence is that Covid is an airborne virus that is passed on as aerosol particles, and if you're wearing a face covering then fewer of these particles pass on. For a cloth face covering, it is somewhere between a 50% and 75% reduction in particle spread. The benefit of face coverings is not really on the wearer, but on everyone else who gets to breathe in fewer of their lovely Covidy breath droplets. But. The further away you are from someone, the fewer Covid particles you breathe in anyway. And if you're outside, the wind carries them away. And, even now, the infection rate in the UK is about 1 in 100. And breathing isn't the only way you can get the particles into your body; someone pisses around with their mask because it's itchy, they touch a tin of beans, then you touch a tin of beans and then you piss around with your mask because it's itchy and your glasses steam up. Hey presto, you've got Covid. I still believe that the biggest defences against Covid are washing your hands and keeping your personal space. My issue with face masks is that they undermine the most effective protections: stay the fuck away from me, and wash your fucking hands. When I was across in Bradford last month I watched people leave the bogs without washing their hands, but they carefully put their face mask on and so they thought no grannies would die. Talk about missing the point. City make you wear a face mask at the ground, but there's no soap and no hot water in the bogs. Go figure. Which is why it could be argued the mask wearing has become little more than a act of cultish symbolism. A way of signalling to others "don't look at me, i'm complying, leave me alone i'm a good person...." The whole mask argument seems to centre around people with weak immune systems being more at risk from covid. So surely the government should be encouraging people to improve their immunity by eating healthy, balanced diets... by taking regular exercise... by cutting down on smoking/ binge drinking etc? And if you don't and you catch covid, well thats on you. But no, lets bash everyone with petty, demeaning rules that infringe on basic rights and liberties.... to protect a few idiots who can't take responsibility for their own life choices. (that isn't directed at the genuinely vulnerable people) Since the first lockdown i've become much more conscious about what i eat and drink. I don't smoke (not judging anyone that does) No tests. No vax. No masks where possible. And i've been absolutely fine, despite coming into contact with 100/1000s of people a week due to my 'key worker' job.
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