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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jan 17, 2022 18:52:13 GMT
Sikora gone, i reckon scales follows too not much of a dent in wages though. Shame the parasite that is evans seems to be staying
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Post by benitocarbone on Jan 17, 2022 18:59:00 GMT
Where even is Evans? He’s become the invisible man since we came back.
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Post by slymutha on Jan 17, 2022 19:11:58 GMT
I mean, if these young lads aren't good enough then may aswell get rid. But at the same time, why are none of our young lad ever good enough.
We are mid table (on a good day) L2. Are we saying none of our youth team players will ever be good enough for mid table L2? If so then what is even the point.
Bets on scales, Sikora, Staunton having a career somewhere else?
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Post by Dick on Jan 17, 2022 19:31:37 GMT
I mean, if these young lads aren't good enough then may aswell get rid. But at the same time, why are none of our young lad ever good enough. We are mid table (on a good day) L2. Are we saying none of our youth team players will ever be good enough for mid table L2? If so then what is even the point. Bets on scales, Sikora, Staunton having a career somewhere else? I've been going 25 years and in that time there have probably been 10-12 players who've come through the youth team, became first team pros and had solid careers from there. I'm not including players sold when they were 15, or dropped after a few games to forge careers elsewhere, I specifically mean players who've benefited the first team. Thats where we are absolutely horrendous as a club - that final bit of development to take a young player into becoming an established pro. Have you seen the droning thread on BroncoTalk about the training ground - 'if it was good enough for the PL 23 years ago its good enough etc- well this is part of it. Training facilities isn't just the pitches and canteen at Apperley Bridge, it's the entire ethos around it. Why are we so terrible at developing players at that final stage? When you've supported them as long as some of us and see how it's never improved this supercedes all the problems we have as an issue we seem to have no intention of changing.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jan 21, 2022 17:10:27 GMT
This window is definitely going the way we thought isnt it ?
Start sharpening the knives
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Post by Dick on Jan 21, 2022 17:42:06 GMT
This window is definitely going the way we thought isnt it ? Start sharpening the knives We're past the point of bringing in first choice signings. Another few days and we're going to be in the DMH/Guthrie Zone
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Post by Hobhead on Jan 21, 2022 18:05:22 GMT
What’s bugging me is that we’re currently filling a team that has a lot of turds that need flushing with loan signings. Given we don’t do renewing contracts either it means before next season we’re going to have to replace our best players, our worst players and the players that don’t belong to us.
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Post by Dick on Jan 24, 2022 7:43:05 GMT
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Post by tetchyarse on Jan 24, 2022 8:45:46 GMT
I mean, if these young lads aren't good enough then may aswell get rid. But at the same time, why are none of our young lad ever good enough. We are mid table (on a good day) L2. Are we saying none of our youth team players will ever be good enough for mid table L2? If so then what is even the point. Bets on scales, Sikora, Staunton having a career somewhere else? I've been going 25 years and in that time there have probably been 10-12 players who've come through the youth team, became first team pros and had solid careers from there. I'm not including players sold when they were 15, or dropped after a few games to forge careers elsewhere, I specifically mean players who've benefited the first team. Thats where we are absolutely horrendous as a club - that final bit of development to take a young player into becoming an established pro. Have you seen the droning thread on BroncoTalk about the training ground - 'if it was good enough for the PL 23 years ago its good enough etc- well this is part of it. Training facilities isn't just the pitches and canteen at Apperley Bridge, it's the entire ethos around it. Why are we so terrible at developing players at that final stage? When you've supported them as long as some of us and see how it's never improved this supercedes all the problems we have as an issue we seem to have no intention of changing. These days if you're not an academy you can forget it. The good youth players go to the academies, and we're in the position where we have Leeds, Man City and Man Utd in our catchment area. Who'd sign for us if they could sign for Man City's academy? State of the art facilities or Rawdon Meadows. Tough choice. And there's the problem. We've never invested properly in anything on the training or development side, and so we've never developed or trained anyone. Name players who left us a better player than when they joined us? I can think of Wells, Blake and Simon Francis, and for the youth O'Brien and Richards, beyond that I'm out of ideas. Everything is just tinpot and there's just no need for it to be like this.
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Post by Neshead on Jan 24, 2022 8:57:48 GMT
I've been going 25 years and in that time there have probably been 10-12 players who've come through the youth team, became first team pros and had solid careers from there. I'm not including players sold when they were 15, or dropped after a few games to forge careers elsewhere, I specifically mean players who've benefited the first team. Thats where we are absolutely horrendous as a club - that final bit of development to take a young player into becoming an established pro. Have you seen the droning thread on BroncoTalk about the training ground - 'if it was good enough for the PL 23 years ago its good enough etc- well this is part of it. Training facilities isn't just the pitches and canteen at Apperley Bridge, it's the entire ethos around it. Why are we so terrible at developing players at that final stage? When you've supported them as long as some of us and see how it's never improved this supercedes all the problems we have as an issue we seem to have no intention of changing. These days if you're not an academy you can forget it. The good youth players go to the academies, and we're in the position where we have Leeds, Man City and Man Utd in our catchment area. Who'd sign for us if they could sign for Man City's academy? State of the art facilities or Rawdon Meadows. Tough choice. And there's the problem. We've never invested properly in anything on the training or development side, and so we've never developed or trained anyone. Name players who left us a better player than when they joined us? I can think of Wells, Blake and Simon Francis, and for the youth O'Brien and Richards, beyond that I'm out of ideas. Everything is just tinpot and there's just no need for it to be like this. We talk a good game but in reality we are a club with no identity at all. Beginning of the season talk of Sparks wanting youngsters brought through but when have we ever been a club that brings youngsters through? You need to be properly set up for it, just take a small club like Peterborough who have just installed a indoor dome for their cat 2 academy. But then we bring in a manager who, like Parky, doesnt really do the young player thing. After the shambles on Saturday and yet another ill prepared January it all just feels like a club botched together with no sense of a remit of what we are planning for.
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Post by Dick on Jan 24, 2022 9:29:38 GMT
These days if you're not an academy you can forget it. The good youth players go to the academies, and we're in the position where we have Leeds, Man City and Man Utd in our catchment area. Who'd sign for us if they could sign for Man City's academy? State of the art facilities or Rawdon Meadows. Tough choice. And there's the problem. We've never invested properly in anything on the training or development side, and so we've never developed or trained anyone. Name players who left us a better player than when they joined us? I can think of Wells, Blake and Simon Francis, and for the youth O'Brien and Richards, beyond that I'm out of ideas. Everything is just tinpot and there's just no need for it to be like this. We talk a good game but in reality we are a club with no identity at all. Beginning of the season talk of Sparks wanting youngsters brought through but when have we ever been a club that brings youngsters through? You need to be properly set up for it, just take a small club like Peterborough who have just installed a indoor dome for their cat 2 academy. But then we bring in a manager who, like Parky, doesnt really do the young player thing. After the shambles on Saturday and yet another ill prepared January it all just feels like a club botched together with no sense of a remit of what we are planning for. It was supposed to be 'the model' wasn't it? Develop our own products and pick up young releases from higher up. Thing is, the assumption was if you just throw them in first team football and do nothing else they'll progress and you can sell them for big profit. No other investment or strategy for development, just play them. Doomed from the start. Meanwhile back in the real world it's another firefighting transfer window to try and repair the damage we've done in so many before it. Loan here, loan there, loans everywhere... why can't Adams improve one, just one of what he had to work with already? Slagging off the players all the time is one thing but Adams hasn't improved a single one of them.
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Post by mikehunt on Jan 24, 2022 9:42:57 GMT
I've been going 25 years and in that time there have probably been 10-12 players who've come through the youth team, became first team pros and had solid careers from there. I'm not including players sold when they were 15, or dropped after a few games to forge careers elsewhere, I specifically mean players who've benefited the first team. Thats where we are absolutely horrendous as a club - that final bit of development to take a young player into becoming an established pro. Have you seen the droning thread on BroncoTalk about the training ground - 'if it was good enough for the PL 23 years ago its good enough etc- well this is part of it. Training facilities isn't just the pitches and canteen at Apperley Bridge, it's the entire ethos around it. Why are we so terrible at developing players at that final stage? When you've supported them as long as some of us and see how it's never improved this supercedes all the problems we have as an issue we seem to have no intention of changing. These days if you're not an academy you can forget it. The good youth players go to the academies, and we're in the position where we have Leeds, Man City and Man Utd in our catchment area. Who'd sign for us if they could sign for Man City's academy? State of the art facilities or Rawdon Meadows. Tough choice. And there's the problem. We've never invested properly in anything on the training or development side, and so we've never developed or trained anyone. Name players who left us a better player than when they joined us? I can think of Wells, Blake and Simon Francis, and for the youth O'Brien and Richards, beyond that I'm out of ideas. Everything is just tinpot and there's just no need for it to be like this. McLaughlin has done alright for himself since he left, Hearts, Sunderland and a couple caps for Scotland, you’re spot on though, it’s a short list.
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Post by Dick on Jan 24, 2022 12:08:34 GMT
What did we all hope from for this window - Rupp to back the manager after all the hot air about budget to spend, targets identified, getting business done early etc.
Is 4 loans (3 really because we aren't going to ever see Dion Whoever) really backing him or just papering over the cracks?
I'm convinced we're only really wanting a striker now as Angol is injured. I could very well see DA - and the gompers - being perfectly happy with the 4 we currently have on the books.
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Post by Dick on Jan 24, 2022 14:33:19 GMT
I was half right - 3 goalkeepers, 3 fit strikers...
If now there's no money or whatever for a striker, they're going to get absolutely crucified
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Post by hobbes on Jan 24, 2022 14:40:05 GMT
I've been going 25 years and in that time there have probably been 10-12 players who've come through the youth team, became first team pros and had solid careers from there. I'm not including players sold when they were 15, or dropped after a few games to forge careers elsewhere, I specifically mean players who've benefited the first team. Thats where we are absolutely horrendous as a club - that final bit of development to take a young player into becoming an established pro. Have you seen the droning thread on BroncoTalk about the training ground - 'if it was good enough for the PL 23 years ago its good enough etc- well this is part of it. Training facilities isn't just the pitches and canteen at Apperley Bridge, it's the entire ethos around it. Why are we so terrible at developing players at that final stage? When you've supported them as long as some of us and see how it's never improved this supercedes all the problems we have as an issue we seem to have no intention of changing. These days if you're not an academy you can forget it. The good youth players go to the academies, and we're in the position where we have Leeds, Man City and Man Utd in our catchment area. Who'd sign for us if they could sign for Man City's academy? State of the art facilities or Rawdon Meadows. Tough choice. And there's the problem. We've never invested properly in anything on the training or development side, and so we've never developed or trained anyone. Name players who left us a better player than when they joined us? I can think of Wells, Blake and Simon Francis, and for the youth O'Brien and Richards, beyond that I'm out of ideas. Everything is just tinpot and there's just no need for it to be like this. In my 48 years afaik we’ve brought through Ellis, Jacko, McCall, Ormondroyd, Duxbury, Richards and OB who had proper pro careers. Pitiful isn’t it. Any other lad who turns pro with us is non-league by 23-25 and selling double glazing before he hits 30. None of the lads in my sons league who look like they have a chance of making it are with City, they’re at Leeds or Wednesday. Lads who are at City don’t look to me like they’ve got a cat in hells chance of a pro career.
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Post by mikehunt on Jan 24, 2022 14:49:35 GMT
These days if you're not an academy you can forget it. The good youth players go to the academies, and we're in the position where we have Leeds, Man City and Man Utd in our catchment area. Who'd sign for us if they could sign for Man City's academy? State of the art facilities or Rawdon Meadows. Tough choice. And there's the problem. We've never invested properly in anything on the training or development side, and so we've never developed or trained anyone. Name players who left us a better player than when they joined us? I can think of Wells, Blake and Simon Francis, and for the youth O'Brien and Richards, beyond that I'm out of ideas. Everything is just tinpot and there's just no need for it to be like this. In my 48 years afaik we’ve brought through Ellis, Jacko, McCall, Ormondroyd, Duxbury, Richards and OB who had proper pro careers. Pitiful isn’t it. Any other lad who turns pro with us is non-league by 23-25 and selling double glazing before he hits 30. None of the lads in my sons league who look like they have a chance of making it are with City, they’re at Leeds or Wednesday. Lads who are at City don’t look to me like they’ve got a cat in hells chance of a pro career. I’m baffled how some of the players at City have a pro career
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Post by Fat Ade on Jan 24, 2022 15:04:22 GMT
I was half right - 3 goalkeepers, 3 fit strikers... If now there's no money or whatever for a striker, they're going to get absolutely crucified I read this and properly chuckled at my desk….the bloke has to be on the wind or suffered some form of brain injury, what a fucking whopper!
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Post by Hobhead on Jan 24, 2022 15:38:40 GMT
We’ve only got one loan slot left now so there’ll likely only be one striker and no right back incoming.
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Post by fish on Jan 24, 2022 16:36:08 GMT
Jigsaw is coming back to save our season isn't he?
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Post by mikehunt on Jan 24, 2022 17:22:17 GMT
We’ve only got one loan slot left now so there’ll likely only be one striker and no right back incoming. Not going up not going down. Saving the money for the summer when no fucker with half a brain will buy a season ticket
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