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Post by Neshead on Dec 31, 2020 13:08:59 GMT
That's what I was thinking too. Pritchard or Evans as makeshift wingers with a specialist wideman on the other side. Gareth Evans though- what a fucking signing. Not a winger, not a Right Back, not a striker. Might possibly be a number 10 but we already have Cooke, Clarke and Pritchard to occupy that role. Doesn't fill out any of the blanks in the squad and looks shot to pieces regardless. The type of signing we need to avoid in January. Pritchard should be struggling to get on the bench. He puts a lot of effort in and he's occasionally ok but largely not good enough. Evans still has done nothing in a city shirt, Clarke has now had 4 good halves of football and the rest anonymous. Watt for me is struggling, we need minimum a winger for each side and a centre mid alongside Sutton. Add that to a striker and a CB too. Not one of our attacking midfielders or strikers is unreplaceable.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Dec 31, 2020 13:24:27 GMT
Pritchard should be struggling to get on the bench. He puts a lot of effort in and he's occasionally ok but largely not good enough. Evans still has done nothing in a city shirt, Clarke has now had 4 good halves of football and the rest anonymous. Watt for me is struggling, we need minimum a winger for each side and a centre mid alongside Sutton. Add that to a striker and a CB too. Not one of our attacking midfielders or strikers is unreplaceable. Not at all, attacking midfielders should be chipping with goals and generally look more threatening. And none of ours are.
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Post by Neshead on Dec 31, 2020 15:11:15 GMT
Not one of our attacking midfielders or strikers is unreplaceable. Not at all, attacking midfielders should be chipping with goals and generally look more threatening. And none of ours are. The player who currently looks head and shoulders above the others in midfield is Sutton. Might just be a purple patch but in the 5 games since McCall has gone he's shown in the top three every game. Assista, a goal and an ability to break up play. His assist for Novak and his set for Evans chance against Port Vale were both excellent pieces of skill. I think there's a good player in Watt but currently he's all over the place. Cooke has been steady if not spectacular.
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Post by tetchyarse on Dec 31, 2020 15:18:22 GMT
If we're going to stick with 4-2-3-1 then we'd only really need one winger, to play on one side of the 3. On the other side of the 3 a narrower player would be fine. A bit like how PP only really ever used one winger, using a narrower midfielder like Halliday on the opposite side.
I'd be looking for a left sided winger to get the linkup play with Wood, Evans playing narrow on the right would work if the guy ever manages to get himself fit.
We really really need a striker, as Saturday showed we need an alternative where Novak isn't firing.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Dec 31, 2020 15:25:19 GMT
Not at all, attacking midfielders should be chipping with goals and generally look more threatening. And none of ours are. The player who currently looks head and shoulders above the others in midfield is Sutton. Might just be a purple patch but in the 5 games since McCall has gone he's shown in the top three every game. Assista, a goal and an ability to break up play. His assist for Novak and his set for Evans chance against Port Vale were both excellent pieces of skill. I think there's a good player in Watt but currently he's all over the place. Cooke has been steady if not spectacular. Watt is a massive conundrum, we've seen him be very good but since Mansfield I think it was he's been non existent. I dunno if it's an ego thing or a hunger thing but this quarterback position should really suit him. Cooke I think is playing in a role that does suit, he's linking up play like we've been wanting it's just not penetrating enough and doesn't look threatening. Since he came back Sutton seems to be doing everything that both Watt and Cooke are lacking. His turnabout in form is remarkable and is now the first name on the sheet. If we can get some real pace up front and more importantly some intelligence and we get a quality in that can see Clarke Watt and Evans on the bench then that will do, but I just can't see us bringing any more than 3 players in. And I doubt they will touch the defence
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Post by Neshead on Dec 31, 2020 19:11:40 GMT
The player who currently looks head and shoulders above the others in midfield is Sutton. Might just be a purple patch but in the 5 games since McCall has gone he's shown in the top three every game. Assista, a goal and an ability to break up play. His assist for Novak and his set for Evans chance against Port Vale were both excellent pieces of skill. I think there's a good player in Watt but currently he's all over the place. Cooke has been steady if not spectacular. Watt is a massive conundrum, we've seen him be very good but since Mansfield I think it was he's been non existent. I dunno if it's an ego thing or a hunger thing but this quarterback position should really suit him. Cooke I think is playing in a role that does suit, he's linking up play like we've been wanting it's just not penetrating enough and doesn't look threatening. Since he came back Sutton seems to be doing everything that both Watt and Cooke are lacking. His turnabout in form is remarkable and is now the first name on the sheet. If we can get some real pace up front and more importantly some intelligence and we get a quality in that can see Clarke Watt and Evans on the bench then that will do, but I just can't see us bringing any more than 3 players in. And I doubt they will touch the defence Thats bang on. I can't believe the form of Sutton, i genuinely believed he wasn't good enough but it seems McCall managed to make a few of them look like that when they were never that bad, Paudie O'Connor a case in point. With Watt i think its a case of not needing a quarter back style player in a 4-2-3-1, the hollywood pass is pointless when you have 3 attack minded players in font of you waiting for the simple pass. Port Vale an example where if we'd had players left and right of Cooke who could damage teams from that position we'd have won easily. I think all three who played in that 3 are better suited in the central role of that three. Imagine say a three of Reach, Cooke and Hosannah for example. Just an eaxample of two players who are not out and out wingers but give mobility to an attacking three with Novak in front. Add a mobile Sutton behind that three and you have the movement that Pritchard, Cooke and Clarke lack between them.
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Post by Hoochy on Dec 31, 2020 19:18:05 GMT
Watt is a massive conundrum, we've seen him be very good but since Mansfield I think it was he's been non existent. I dunno if it's an ego thing or a hunger thing but this quarterback position should really suit him. Cooke I think is playing in a role that does suit, he's linking up play like we've been wanting it's just not penetrating enough and doesn't look threatening. Since he came back Sutton seems to be doing everything that both Watt and Cooke are lacking. His turnabout in form is remarkable and is now the first name on the sheet. If we can get some real pace up front and more importantly some intelligence and we get a quality in that can see Clarke Watt and Evans on the bench then that will do, but I just can't see us bringing any more than 3 players in. And I doubt they will touch the defence Thats bang on. I can't believe the form of Sutton, i genuinely believed he wasn't good enough but it seems McCall managed to make a few of them look like that when they were never that bad, Paudie O'Connor a case in point. With Watt i think its a case of not needing a quarter back style player in a 4-2-3-1, the hollywood pass is pointless when you have 3 attack minded players in font of you waiting for the simple pass. Port Vale an example where if we'd had players left and right of Cooke who could damage teams from that position we'd have won easily. I think all three who played in that 3 are better suited in the central role of that three. Imagine say a three of Reach, Cooke and Hosannah for example. Just an eaxample of two players who are not out and out wingers but give mobility to an attacking three with Novak in front. Add a mobile Sutton behind that three and you have the movement that Pritchard, Cooke and Clarke lack between them. Where has Hosannah gone? Injured?
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Post by Neshead on Dec 31, 2020 19:37:02 GMT
Thats bang on. I can't believe the form of Sutton, i genuinely believed he wasn't good enough but it seems McCall managed to make a few of them look like that when they were never that bad, Paudie O'Connor a case in point. With Watt i think its a case of not needing a quarter back style player in a 4-2-3-1, the hollywood pass is pointless when you have 3 attack minded players in font of you waiting for the simple pass. Port Vale an example where if we'd had players left and right of Cooke who could damage teams from that position we'd have won easily. I think all three who played in that 3 are better suited in the central role of that three. Imagine say a three of Reach, Cooke and Hosannah for example. Just an eaxample of two players who are not out and out wingers but give mobility to an attacking three with Novak in front. Add a mobile Sutton behind that three and you have the movement that Pritchard, Cooke and Clarke lack between them. Where has Hosannah gone? Injured? Yeah , back at Leeds getting treatment.
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Post by Hobhead on Dec 31, 2020 19:44:06 GMT
A decent, pacy forward would make a huge difference to all our midfielders.
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Post by Hoochy on Dec 31, 2020 20:36:25 GMT
A decent, pacy forward would make a huge difference to all our midfielders. Jigsaw, now is your time m8
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Post by Hobhead on Dec 31, 2020 21:22:04 GMT
A decent, pacy forward would make a huge difference to all our midfielders. Jigsaw, now is your time m8 If it’s contractually possible he’ll be going back. He’s got less chance of making it than The Gargoyle.
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Post by Lofty on Dec 31, 2020 21:34:47 GMT
Wait until Guthrie is back for and firing. #baller
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Post by Hoochy on Dec 31, 2020 22:23:27 GMT
Jigsaw, now is your time m8 If it’s contractually possible he’ll be going back. He’s got less chance of making it than The Gargoyle. To be fair to him, I've seen a few decent touches and some promising direct runs but no end product and woeful finishing. He obviously needs a few more seasons but there might be something there eventually. Nowhere near ready for pro football yet alongside the many others that we've made that mistake with.
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Post by Hobhead on Dec 31, 2020 22:33:37 GMT
If it’s contractually possible he’ll be going back. He’s got less chance of making it than The Gargoyle. To be fair to him, I've seen a few decent touches and some promising direct runs but no end product and woeful finishing. He obviously needs a few more seasons but there might be something there eventually. Nowhere near ready for pro football yet alongside the many others that we've made that mistake with. It’s definitely possible but I’d expect him to have a bit more about him by twenty years old than he seems to have. He looks scared and, consequently, out of his depth. I think twenty one is the cut off point and if you’re not showing genuine potential by then it’s time to head down the pyramid and hope for an unlikely rebuild. Although only twenty, he’s already giving League Two a go and showing very little. It’s telling that his only professional level goal was against us at our lowest ebb. We’ve seen enough to know that he’s not for us - at least, not right now.
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Post by tetchyarse on Jan 1, 2021 10:23:16 GMT
If it’s contractually possible he’ll be going back. He’s got less chance of making it than The Gargoyle. To be fair to him, I've seen a few decent touches and some promising direct runs but no end product and woeful finishing. He obviously needs a few more seasons but there might be something there eventually. Nowhere near ready for pro football yet alongside the many others that we've made that mistake with. He's 20, if he hasn't got the basic awareness now he probably never will. Like most Premier League academy players, a career as a brickie making a historic appearance in the first round of the FA Cup for Tonbridge Tarantulas beckons.
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Post by mikehunt on Jan 1, 2021 10:50:32 GMT
To be fair to him, I've seen a few decent touches and some promising direct runs but no end product and woeful finishing. He obviously needs a few more seasons but there might be something there eventually. Nowhere near ready for pro football yet alongside the many others that we've made that mistake with. He's 20, if he hasn't got the basic awareness now he probably never will. Like most Premier League academy players, a career as a brickie making a historic appearance in the first round of the FA Cup for Tonbridge Tarantulas beckons. I think it was Gary Neville who said something like at Man Utd if you’re not on the edges of the first team at 20 you’re not good enough. Samuels isn’t good enough to get a game in a team lacking pace and goals in the bottom half of League Two and didn’t score at Kidderminster two divisions below us. Quite why McCall thought he was the final piece in the jigsaw is baffling.
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Post by Neshead on Jan 1, 2021 11:00:37 GMT
He's 20, if he hasn't got the basic awareness now he probably never will. Like most Premier League academy players, a career as a brickie making a historic appearance in the first round of the FA Cup for Tonbridge Tarantulas beckons. I think it was Gary Neville who said something like at Man Utd if you’re not on the edges of the first team at 20 you’re not good enough. Samuels isn’t good enough to get a game in a team lacking pace and goals in the bottom half of League Two and didn’t score at Kidderminster two divisions below us. Quite why McCall thought he was the final piece in the jigsaw is baffling. It was clear Samuels was only looked at after his goalscoring performance in the pizza trophy, after which we signed him days later. I'm still not sure who this was damning on the most, McCall for his jigsaw comment or Rhodes for sanctioning the deal. And i'm not sure how much say McCall had in the matter, he had no help on the recruitment front and i'm guessing it was pretty much Samuels or Billy Bantam due to them trying to get through the season on the cheap. The whole thing upto McCall leaving stunk of cost cutting and McCall to some respects was made to carry the can. Still not sure the decision not to spend upto the salary cap was McCalls either. Even now the club have fallen very lucky with Truman and Sellars good run, they were banking on bringing experience of Hurst in to save the sinking ship. Bringing in recruitment help when your scraping the bottom of the khazi league shouldn't be applauded, it should be questioned as to why it wasn't here under Bowyer or McCall? Honestly, the last three years have couldn't have been run worse if we'd had no owner or CEO.
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Post by mikehunt on Jan 1, 2021 11:16:57 GMT
I think it was Gary Neville who said something like at Man Utd if you’re not on the edges of the first team at 20 you’re not good enough. Samuels isn’t good enough to get a game in a team lacking pace and goals in the bottom half of League Two and didn’t score at Kidderminster two divisions below us. Quite why McCall thought he was the final piece in the jigsaw is baffling. It was clear Samuels was only looked at after his goalscoring performance in the pizza trophy, after which we signed him days later. I'm still not sure who this was damning on the most, McCall for his jigsaw comment or Rhodes for sanctioning the deal. And i'm not sure how much say McCall had in the matter, he had no help on the recruitment front and i'm guessing it was pretty much Samuels or Billy Bantam due to them trying to get through the season on the cheap. The whole thing upto McCall leaving stunk of cost cutting and McCall to some respects was made to carry the can. Still not sure the decision not to spend upto the salary cap was McCalls either. Even now the club have fallen very lucky with Truman and Sellars good run, they were banking on bringing experience of Hurst in to save the sinking ship. Bringing in recruitment help when your scraping the bottom of the khazi league shouldn't be applauded, it should be questioned as to why it wasn't here under Bowyer or McCall? Honestly, the last three years have couldn't have been run worse if we'd had no owner or CEO. Didn’t McCall say something along the lines of things went on in the summer that he couldn’t talk about? Everybody saw the holes in the squad before the season started so I expect McCall did too. I feel for him a bit, he was the architect of his own downfall with his tactics and signings but Rhodes and Sparks seem to have given him fuck all help, there’s not a football manager who wouldn’t spend up to and beyond what he has available to him. I think the gravity of the situation hit home to even Rhodes and Rupp when we fell to the relegation zone. Rhodes should never be allowed near Bradford City again but I’ve an awful feeling he’ll pop up again like a turd you can’t flush. The club have hit the jackpot with Trueman and Sellars, I’m reckon Hurst agreed to join and then gave back word when the Grimsby job came up, I’m trying to catch the man who would know to ask him but understandably he’s not been around.
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Post by tetchyarse on Jan 1, 2021 13:13:08 GMT
McCall was absolutely sold down the river by Rhodes and Rupp with the budget, that much is obvious. But even with a small playing budget the recruitment has been abysmal. Bolton have a smaller budget than us, for instance, but the crucial difference is they're honest about it.
What I'd love to know is whether McCall made these signings or whether they were forced on him. I think they probably were his choices, which is why he was so keen to reckon some cheap dogshit like DMH or Samuels was amazing. Taking a punt on a loan player from a PL academy is no bad thing, they're cheap and you'll may well get some hits from it. Paudie and Hosannah both looked decent on loan, even if neither will never trouble the Leeds first team in their careers, but don't argue they're the dogs bollocks because most of them are being loaned to L2 and below for a reason.
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Post by Hoochy on Jan 1, 2021 13:19:55 GMT
To be fair to him, I've seen a few decent touches and some promising direct runs but no end product and woeful finishing. He obviously needs a few more seasons but there might be something there eventually. Nowhere near ready for pro football yet alongside the many others that we've made that mistake with. He's 20, if he hasn't got the basic awareness now he probably never will. Like most Premier League academy players, a career as a brickie making a historic appearance in the first round of the FA Cup for Tonbridge Tarantulas beckons. I didn't realise he was 20, I thought he was about 18!
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