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Post by Hobhead on Jul 26, 2020 17:32:27 GMT
Anyone else worried? There’s a serious lack of goals up front and there’s a lot of work needs doing both incoming and outgoing. Given the number of players we have in there, the complete lack of a midfield or right back and the fact that money is tight I wasn’t expecting any changes unless and until we let someone take over Vaughan’s contract. Turns out McCall had other ideas and signed another forward. Sadly it was Clarke who also doesn’t score goals.
For me I’d like to replace all of Donaldson, Novak, Guthrie and Clarke. Obviously Clarke isn’t going to happen since he’s just arrived. Donaldson would be good to get shut of as he’s on big money for lolloping about the pitch like an eager baby giraffe. Novak is all running and very little else but we might, just might, get a taker for him. Guthrie looks utter dogshit so barring giving him away to someone like Barrow we’re likely be stuck with him.
Sadly it looks like Vaughan will be the one to go and if he goes we really are fucking ourselves. It means we’ll have one to come in and whoever it is will have the whole of our goalscoring expectations on his shoulders. It’d have to be some signing. Contrast that with shipping out one of the others and the new guy’s brief suddenly becomes the more realistic prospect of supplementing Vaughan’s goal return.
If we ship out Vaughan and only Vaughan we’re fucked. If we keep Vaughan, somehow manage to find a club muggy enough to take one of the others and bring in someone even half decent to spot in alongside Vaughan and we’re suddenly a completely different prospect.
Either way it’s going to be the hardest part of McCall’s rebuild and our whole season hinges on it.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 26, 2020 17:48:36 GMT
Yes
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Post by Neshead on Jul 26, 2020 18:07:01 GMT
Anyone else worried? There’s a serious lack of goals up front and there’s a lot of work needs doing both incoming and outgoing. Given the number of players we have in there, the complete lack of a midfield or right back and the fact that money is tight I wasn’t expecting any changes unless and until we let someone take over Vaughan’s contract. Turns out McCall had other ideas and signed another forward. Sadly it was Clarke who also doesn’t score goals. For me I’d like to replace all of Donaldson, Novak, Guthrie and Clarke. Obviously Clarke isn’t going to happen since he’s just arrived. Donaldson would be good to get shut of as he’s on big money for lolloping about the pitch like an eager baby giraffe. Novak is all running and very little else but we might, just might, get a taker for him. Guthrie looks utter dogshit so barring giving him away to someone like Barrow we’re likely be stuck with him. Sadly it looks like Vaughan will be the one to go and if he goes we really are fucking ourselves. It means we’ll have one to come in and whoever it is will have the whole of our goalscoring expectations on his shoulders. It’d have to be some signing. Contrast that with shipping out one of the others and the new guy’s brief suddenly becomes the more realistic prospect of supplementing Vaughan’s goal return. If we ship out Vaughan and only Vaughan we’re fucked. If we keep Vaughan, somehow manage to find a club muggy enough to take one of the others and bring in someone even half decent to spot in alongside Vaughan and we’re suddenly a completely different prospect. Either way it’s going to be the hardest part of McCall’s rebuild and our whole season hinges on it. Captain Admins January transfer window and year extentions in favour of Donaldson and Ismail have left us with nowhere to go. Rhodes has been involved with all that to a point where we might be forced to lose Vaughan because of it due to no one wanting any of the other three. One season in my lifetime we might actually come out with a logical workable transfer policy, but i won't hold my breath.
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Post by Dick on Jul 26, 2020 18:08:15 GMT
When he came back for the second spell that team bossed possession in a lot of games but created little. What happened in the season just gone with him was a write-off, but when next season gets going I do anticipate a similar approach.
I do get the feeling we're going to be complaining from the start about pace, fitness and speed of thought across the side - especially up top.
Take out Vaughans goals and the rest of the strikers won't get 15 in open play all season.
Also, the ages of the strikers are 27, 32, 32, 32 and 36 - Guthrie is the youngest and haven't seen anything that resembles a player. The careers of the others are going downwards - Vaughan is the only one with quality that could maybe carry it into League One but he isn't getting any younger. Donaldson, you could see him being another injury away from his legs going altogether like Peter Thorne - quality player but the rate of injury totally offset that.
The biggest worry for me is from McCalls perspective, how does he develop any of them? Is it even possible with the 5 we have and their particular ages and attributes?
Mccall's teams have never been ones to overwhelm opponents with attacking football, even at the expense of other areas of the team.
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Post by moshimoshi on Jul 26, 2020 18:11:39 GMT
I completely forgot about Donaldson. If we “move on” Vaughan then it’s over, we’re done. I doubt they would even replace him when there is Donaldson, Novak, Guthrie and Clarke. More likely to get rid and use the money on a RB.
That would mean the only players left that I rate are Wood, Cooke and when he can be arsed Ismail. Not sure that’s going to be good enough. Defence isn’t great and will concede but we’ll have no goal scorer.
Could this be the last season?
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Post by bantam147 on Jul 26, 2020 18:16:45 GMT
Forward line?
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Post by Aaron on Jul 26, 2020 18:17:02 GMT
I'd be fairly content with Clarke, Vaughan, Novak and one more who's a bit more mobile and can stretch a defence a little bit. At least then they all offer something a little bit different, even if they're hardly going to set the world alight. Main issue at the moment is that Guthrie, Novak and Donaldson all have a very similar purpose and even if they had the potential to be leading players at this level - wouldn't be suitable to partner each other.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 26, 2020 18:21:38 GMT
I'd be fairly content with Clarke, Vaughan, Novak and one more who's a bit more mobile and can stretch a defence a little bit. At least then they all offer something a little bit different, even if they're hardly going to set the world alight. Main issue at the moment is that Guthrie, Novak and Donaldson all have a very similar purpose and even if they had the potential to be leading players at this level - wouldn't be suitable to partner each other. He will have to get 2 out to get 1 in I reckon, I like Ollie Palmer but we have type of player in Novak and Donaldson and even though he's better than them 2 I can't see us employing 3 players with the same attributes.
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Post by benitocarbone on Jul 26, 2020 18:27:11 GMT
We need pace and goals.
At the moment we have goals in Vaughan. Let him go and we have neither.
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Post by moshimoshi on Jul 26, 2020 18:32:53 GMT
Given our current recruitment “strategy” of signing players who’ve played for us before I wonder if McCall would be interested in Hiwula who’s available on a free. Might not want to drop down but he would actually get game time if he did.
I’d rather have him than Guthrie.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 26, 2020 18:39:21 GMT
When he came back for the second spell that team bossed possession in a lot of games but created little. What happened in the season just gone with him was a write-off, but when next season gets going I do anticipate a similar approach. I do get the feeling we're going to be complaining from the start about pace, fitness and speed of thought across the side - especially up top. Take out Vaughans goals and the rest of the strikers won't get 15 in open play all season. Also, the ages of the strikers are 27, 32, 32, 32 and 36 - Guthrie is the youngest and haven't seen anything that resembles a player. The careers of the others are going downwards - Vaughan is the only one with quality that could maybe carry it into League One but he isn't getting any younger. Donaldson, you could see him being another injury away from his legs going altogether like Peter Thorne - quality player but the rate of injury totally offset that. The biggest worry for me is from McCalls perspective, how does he develop any of them? Is it even possible with the 5 we have and their particular ages and attributes? Mccall's teams have never been ones to overwhelm opponents with attacking football, even at the expense of other areas of the team. Its what the running of the club has left us with. We don't develop any of our own talent and McCall is left with a forward line that won't progress thorugh to next season no matter what happens. Will we ever have a tangible plan in place?
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Post by fish on Jul 26, 2020 18:39:38 GMT
It's not just the forward line that is an issue, it's the supply line too.
If we keep Vaughan, I'd imagine he will be upfront with Clarke in behind, although McCall seems to rate 'Noves' for some reason so I wouldn't be surprised to see him shoehorned in somewhere. Guthrie and Donaldson are redundant and I'd be amazed if McCall hasn't told them so. Getting rid is a different matter. Donaldson is going fucking nowhere thanks to another captain admin masterclass with that year extension. I mean when do you hear of a year option being in the player's favour? Our only hope with Guthrie is that he's homesick and wants to move back down south. Although I dread to think what we're paying him so I suppose that will limit the amount of clubs stupid enough to take him.
Problem is, not only are those three shite, they're the same fucking player. No pace, no ability to beat a man and the mobility of a fucking oil tanker. Dogshit.
Creativity wise, we're just as bad. Ismail has quality but is never fucking fit. I like Pritchard but he's another one without a distinguished position. He could play wide left in the law role although being left footed he's not likely to be cutting inside very often. DMH was a laughable signing first time around let alone for a second time. Headless chicken with little, if any, quality. We know Cooke has quality if he's allowed to show it but one player isn't enough. Watt looks like he can pick a pass and best of all looks like he can take a set piece. But our biggest source of goals under McCall last time was from wide positions through Marshall and McMahon. Re signing DMH whilst shitting it about the salary cap has fucked us proper now as we have no real squad space for another winger, unless Ismail or Pritchard leave.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 26, 2020 18:44:27 GMT
Its what the running of the club has left us with. We don't develop any of our own talent and McCall is left with a forward line that won't progress thorugh to next season no matter what happens. Will we ever have a tangible plan in place? The ages of those forwards and they’ll only be fading. Apart from Guthrie who’s in his prime 🤪 Shit, getting shitter.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 26, 2020 18:47:42 GMT
Given our current recruitment “strategy” of signing players who’ve played for us before I wonder if McCall would be interested in Hiwula who’s available on a free. Might not want to drop down but he would actually get game time if he did. I’d rather have him than Guthrie. I've mentioned him somewhere on here and I would think that's the striker Nixon is alluding to. He fits the quota and had improved after us, would probably be a decent l2 striker again.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 26, 2020 18:52:31 GMT
Hiwula wouldn’t exactly excite me but he’s better than what we’ve got. Plus, as mentioned in the OP, if he’s second striker to Vaughan it wouldn’t look too bad and Hiwula could conceivably get fifteen alongside Vaughan. If he was to become our main striker though, wow.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 26, 2020 18:55:23 GMT
Saying he’s ‘better than what we’ve got’ is a piss weak reason to sign a player. I’ve caught Gomper-19.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 26, 2020 18:57:47 GMT
Saying he’s ‘better than what we’ve got’ is a piss weak reason to sign a player. I’ve caught Gomper-19. You're better than we've got
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 26, 2020 18:59:00 GMT
Saying he’s ‘better than what we’ve got’ is a piss weak reason to sign a player. I’ve caught Gomper-19. You're better than we've got Not sure about that. I categorically refuse to put a shift in.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 26, 2020 19:00:37 GMT
You're better than we've got Not sure about that. I categorically refuse to put a shift in. Still better than Guthrie and sitter missed big don
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Post by benitocarbone on Jul 26, 2020 19:19:23 GMT
Think there’s quite a few league one clubs after Hiwula.
As has been said he’d bring pace to the forward line but he misses a hell of a lot of chances so he won’t score more than ten.
It’s absolutely criminal that we’re looking to shift Vaughan on.
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