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Post by billycasper on Jul 28, 2018 20:45:21 GMT
I think RT has it spot on. Genuinely, I have no idea how we will do either, ok i made my prediction, but i don't exactly have loads of confidence in it. I know it's only pre season, but if that is any small guide, overall we will need some improvememt. I'd be amazed if we get lucky with injuries to key players over a full season.. Players like Scannel and Payne may well get targetted by other sides, it might be that other players need to step up and hopefully they are of good enough quality.. The signings of payne and scannel certainly have lifted them mood a bit, but i still have concerns about our coaching staff being able to get the best out of them. Maybe they'll turn out like the Cowley brothers at Lincoln and surprise a few, but i think it should be totally understandable that plenty have concerns. We can look at other teams signings, but with all due respect, it's hard enough to know how our own team will turn out, let alone other clubs will turn out that we know even less about. Good points. What I would say is that we are basing our season on a few signings who have a half decent track record. We've had loads of these over the years and the flatter to deceive when they pull on a City Shirt. We are very good at turning players shit.
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allan53
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Post by allan53 on Jul 28, 2018 20:50:22 GMT
Mud table for 5 seasons lol
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Post by bantam147 on Jul 28, 2018 21:11:47 GMT
12 and halfth.
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Post by bantam147 on Jul 28, 2018 21:12:44 GMT
All rests on Wyke and who we bring in to replace him.
Add Mellor and 2 quality forwards and we could be top 6.
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Post by BingomoanyBob on Jul 28, 2018 21:35:50 GMT
I think we'll be in or around the bottom 3 until Christmas when Edin will have to pull the plug on the dream team because, even with his ego, he will understand relegation will severely dent any chance of making money for a considerable number of years. At that stage we'll end up with a Grayson type appointment who'll get us up to about 13th, giving the Gompers the inevitable "outside chance of the playoffs" bollocks around Easter. Grayson-type will leave in summer having trousered a decent bonus and we'll appoint another 32 year old PE teacher. It's going to be a mixture of Catch-22 and a Beckett play for the next X amount of years.
Still, at least we have a club etc....
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Post by fish on Jul 28, 2018 23:03:46 GMT
If Mellor signs and Wyke stays, our first XI is top 4 easy. But if Wyke goes and we don't replace him adequately, the XI is mid table quality - that's how important he is to us.
And then you've got the PE teacher. No matter how good or bad the squad is, our season rests on how good he is. Unfortunately I can see nothing but failure but it's just impossible to predict atm.
With this squad, any lower than top 10 is a failure and collins should go.
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Post by ricksanchez on Jul 29, 2018 6:23:23 GMT
The squad looks pretty decent especially if we can keep hold of Wyke / re-invest all the Wyke money (and not cry the poor tale about deficits). Give that squad to a proven manager who is allowed to manage and not be interfered with - and I'd be well excited about this season (even if the squad is still peppered with genuine dross like Patrick, Brunker etc.)
However you've got an absolute punt as a manager, a failed non-league manager as assistant and the utterly gormless Abbott marrying it all together - the lot of them singing along to tune of a totally unqualified head of football. That truly depressing cocktail of ineptitude leaves me not really that bothered about the cub at the moment. Edin's filthy fingerprints are all over the place and I can't stand the prick.
14th.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 29, 2018 6:23:29 GMT
End of October bottom 4 after that will depend on who he gets in as Chief puppet once he fires the p.e teacher.
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Post by smartmart on Jul 29, 2018 8:22:50 GMT
No wins in First 6 games. Bottom 4 by October. Toxic anti Edin atmosphere Sacked and replaced. Stay up by skin of teeth. Told we are progressing.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jul 29, 2018 8:59:58 GMT
24th. Theres always one club that's more of a basket case than everyone else.
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Post by twosup on Jul 29, 2018 9:12:40 GMT
20th.
"We need time to gel"
"Judge us after 15 games"
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Post by bantam147 on Jul 29, 2018 9:32:48 GMT
20th. "We need time to gel" "Judge us after 15 games" After 15 games "It's still early, the league doesn't settle down till Christmas, judge us after 20 games" After 20 games "Stop panicking, we've had injuries and this can be sorted in the January window. I expect a couple of new faces that could make all the difference. Judge us after the window" After Jan "Well it was always going to be hard to sign quality players in Jan. We have to get on with it now. Barnsley were bottom this time of the season the year they went up. We've had time to gel and I expect us to pick up now. Let's see how things are in March. #believe" In March "It doesn't matter what's happened up to now. Dissecting it won't help the lads. Kai has to get his first goal soon, surely. Then they'll start flowing in. We have a 6 game season now. Get behind the lads" In May. "Ah well. Relegation isn't the end. We've had it worse. At least we still have a club to support. And to all those saying they won't renew- good!! We don't need you!! CTID" You know it.
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Post by Hoochy on Jul 29, 2018 9:42:13 GMT
20th. "We need time to gel" "Judge us after 15 games" After 15 games "It's still early, the league doesn't settle down till Christmas, judge us after 20 games" After 20 games "Stop panicking, we've had injuries and this can be sorted in the January window. I expect a couple of new faces that could make all the difference. Judge us after the window" After Jan "Well it was always going to be hard to sign quality players in Jan. We have to get on with it now. Barnsley were bottom this time of the season the year they went up. We've had time to gel and I expect us to pick up now. Let's see how things are in March. #believe" In March "It doesn't matter what's happened up to now. Dissecting it won't help the sexy boys. Kai has to get his first goal soon, surely. Then they'll start flowing in. We have a 6 game season now. Get behind the sexy boys" In May. "Ah well. Relegation isn't the end. We've had it worse. At least we still have a club to support. And to all those saying they won't renew- good!! We don't need you!! CTID" You know it. January: we should loan in Big Jim, he's not getting a game at AFC since his back injury in October. A good move all round.
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Post by Nice boy on Jul 29, 2018 9:54:20 GMT
All of your predictions are wrong, if we underachieve it'll be midtable at worst.
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Post by skybantam on Jul 29, 2018 10:13:17 GMT
I guess it all depends on how much confidence you have in our coaching/management set up. It seems like suddenly this area of the club is conveniently forgotten by some, or given a massive amount of blind faith, because their lack of any kind of real league experience or history of bringing success to a football club is plain to see. lets face it at bradford city there will be significant pressure and expectation levels, i don't care what anyone says or does to play them down. And there should be, really. Maybe it'll all come together, who knows? Personally, the coaching staff are a concern for me, and that's fair enough as there is bugger all to go on really. You can't just stick eleven players out there, their job is extremely important getting the best out of them, finding a system and having tactical nouse against other seasoned managers etc. Finger crossed it works out, i too hope the predictions are wrong.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 29, 2018 10:42:42 GMT
All of your predictions are wrong, if we underachieve it'll be midtable at worst. Ok Park Bantam
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Post by Nice boy on Jul 29, 2018 10:43:58 GMT
I guess it all depends on how much confidence you have in our coaching/management set up. It seems like suddenly this area of the club is conveniently forgotten by some, or given a massive amount of blind faith, because their lack of any kind of real league experience or history of bringing success to a football club is plain to see. lets face it at bradford city there will be significant pressure and expectation levels, i don't care what anyone says or does to play them down. And there should be, really. Maybe it'll all come together, who knows? Personally, the coaching staff are a concern for me, and that's fair enough as there is bugger all to go on really. You can't just stick eleven players out there, their job is extremely important getting the best out of them, finding a system and having tactical nouse against other seasoned managers etc. Finger crossed it works out, i too hope the predictions are wrong. The coaching team is an area of concern but which way it's going to go is guess work at best. Even with Collins in charge, there's not a cat in hells chance we are going to be involved in a relegation battle. I've said it before, some underestimate how piss poor this division is. In Payne, Scannel, Wyke, McGowan and Mellor* we've got genuine quality in our team in the same mould as Marshall, Cullen, Mcardle, Meredith and If the players around them in Akpan, O'Connor etc constitute as average then they are no worse than the majority of the players they are going to come up against week in week out. For me, it's all on Collins now. Last year we were poor in every single area and it was blindly obvious before a ball had been kicked. This squad on paper is good and it's up to Collins to get the best out of the obvious talent in the squad.
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Post by skybantam on Jul 29, 2018 11:36:09 GMT
I guess it all depends on how much confidence you have in our coaching/management set up. It seems like suddenly this area of the club is conveniently forgotten by some, or given a massive amount of blind faith, because their lack of any kind of real league experience or history of bringing success to a football club is plain to see. lets face it at bradford city there will be significant pressure and expectation levels, i don't care what anyone says or does to play them down. And there should be, really. Maybe it'll all come together, who knows? Personally, the coaching staff are a concern for me, and that's fair enough as there is bugger all to go on really. You can't just stick eleven players out there, their job is extremely important getting the best out of them, finding a system and having tactical nouse against other seasoned managers etc. Finger crossed it works out, i too hope the predictions are wrong. The coaching team is an area of concern but which way it's going to go is guess work at best. Even with Collins in charge, there's not a cat in hells chance we are going to be involved in a relegation battle. I've said it before, some underestimate how piss poor this division is. In Payne, Scannel, Wyke, McGowan and Mellor* we've got genuine quality in our team in the same mould as Marshall, Cullen, Mcardle, Meredith and If the players around them in Akpan, O'Connor etc constitute as average then they are no worse than the majority of the players they are going to come up against week in week out. For me, it's all on Collins now. Last year we were poor in every single area and it was blindly obvious before a ball had been kicked. This squad on paper is good and it's up to Collins to get the best out of the obvious talent in the squad. You can have the best players you want, but if those in charge don't command their respect or have the skills or experience necessary to mould these individuals into a team, then you are likely to struggle. It's going to be a steep learning curve, we'll have to see how they react to negative results or losing key players to injury. There are so many factors that come into play, i guess we can just hope half a dozen decent players will be enough over a full season. I guess if we stay up and finish upper end of bottom half, that might be viewed as success given all the changes. It would still represent another season stepping backwards though, i'll be pretty surprised if we finish higher than we did last season though.
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Post by bantam147 on Jul 29, 2018 13:31:35 GMT
It's human nature. As soon as we hit a bad result or the team need a half time reshuffle, those in that dressing room will be thinking 'what the fuck do you know? You've never managed and were a part time coach at Halifax a few weeks ago'
The likes of Gerrard, Lampard or at this level, Joey Barton, at least have a prestigious playing career to command a degree of credibility. They can also point to having played under some of the best managers in the game.
Anyone can talk the talk in pre-season, but once shit gets real, that's when people come under scrutiny.
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Post by billycasper on Jul 29, 2018 13:34:14 GMT
It's human nature. As soon as we hit a bad result of the team need a half time reshuffle, those in that dressing room will be thinking 'what the fuck do you know? You've never managed and were a part time coach at Halifax a few weeks ago' The likes of Gerrard, Lampard or at this level, Joey Barton, at least have a prestigious player career to command a degree of credibility. They can also point to having played under some of the best managers in the game. Anyone can talk the talk in pre-season, but once shit gets real, that's when people come under scrutiny. That's when Edin steps in and holds the half time talk. Edin knows oranges.
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