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Post by ricksanchez on May 19, 2018 7:38:25 GMT
Ha. Set of moaning fuckers according to bantamtalk. Is how shit the club is right now an illusion that only a few can see? Sure, he might turn it round, but surely it is not totally over the top to be genuinely concerned about the future of the club? It's a strange one. Some people seem to genuinely think that it's an over the top view to regard Edin as a damaging foreign owner, but from where I am standing he is starting to be just as bad as some of the characters we've seen at clubs like Leeds, Blackpool and so-on. Ok, Edin may not be a criminal etc. but his one-track mind about how success in football is achieved will end up being just as damaging to us whilst it fails. He seems to care more about youth development than the bread and butter of the league season and winning football matches. Yes, what he says makes sense about growing the club organically but you need money to get it off the ground. Using only the revenue generated by season ticket sales and sponsorship to build this mystical conveyer belt of talent will mean that it's going to take many many years to create the infrastructure required and in the meantime the shite budget that's left for the actual business of the 46 league one fixtures, will only buy the type of insipid mediocrity on a Saturday that will lead to the vast majority of fans walking away. It will be like those building projects that start off looking really promising, great designs and plans, expensive equipment and contractors brought in, but the project drags on and on, the money starts to run out and what started out looking really promising ends up getting canned because all the investors have cut their losses - leaving a shell of something that will never be finished. He talks in the interview about how we can look to clubs like Huddersfield as a sort of blue print, but shit - Hoyle has pumped a lot of money into Huddersfield over the years. Millions and millions and millions more that Edin or Stefan are ever going to do at our club. He should have listened to Grayson. Invest in youth when you have a platform to do so. Get the club settled into the championship first and implement the strategy gradually. He seems to think his business is to sell footballers to big clubs and doesn't seem to grasp that football is supposed to be about providing entertainment to the fans. I get the feeling that he views the fans as a bit of a fucking hassle and he seems to say during the interview "if you don't like it, fuck off".
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Post by Neshead on May 19, 2018 7:52:11 GMT
Ha. Set of moaning fuckers according to bantamtalk. Is how shit the club is right now an illusion that only a few can see? Sure, he might turn it round, but surely it is not totally over the top to be genuinely concerned about the future of the club? Fans genuinely thought that when these two bought the club that we would have a genuine chance of reaching the championship, it now seems further away than under Lawn and Rhodes. Quite how R & R think their strategy is going to achieve the jump to the next level without serious investment in the first team squad is beyond me.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on May 19, 2018 7:54:12 GMT
In an ideal world we would all love to be bringing through quality young kids. But this takes not just a lot more money than these 2 idiots have but a good standing in the football league. Leeds bring them through Huddersfield bring them through Hull bring then through Sunderland Middlesborough Both Sheffield clubs, come on edin tell us why we will beat these local teams to signing these kids with a worse standing and shitter facilities shitter coaches.
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Post by Neshead on May 19, 2018 8:02:11 GMT
In an ideal world we would all love to be bringing through quality young kids. But this takes not just a lot more money than these 2 idiots have but a good standing in the football league. Leeds bring them through Huddersfield bring them through Hull bring then through Sunderland Middlesborough Both Sheffield clubs, come on edin tell us why we will beat these local teams to signing these kids with a worse standing and shitter facilities shitter coaches. We are the football version of skip rats. All the unwanted players get dumped and then we sift through the contents to see if there is anything worth weighing in at the scrappers. Your bang on in the fact that Edin has still not told us why these unwanted Jamie Vardy's will come to us when there are better options within an hours travel of us. I see on twitter the gompers are lapping it up though.
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Post by Nice boy on May 19, 2018 8:11:27 GMT
Edin seems to think that the following will be integral to our success:
•Coaching
•Development
•Team harmony.
As I've mentioned before, all footballers get coached and developed and probably have been doing since the sport began. Yet, because he keeps mentioning it a section of our fans think it's some sort of master plan and that we should all get behind it. Unless other players don't get coached and look to improve themselves (highly unlikely) we're literally the same as every other league club. As for team harmony, that's strongly linked with results. The team harmony isn't going to be great if we lose 10 on the trot. What's the best way to pick up results? Bring in the best players. And how is that going to be achieved? You provide a good budget nd yet, he seems to completely overlook that and keeps citing Shrewsbury as an example of what an be achieved on minimal resources. Shrewsbury are the exception rather than the rule and if they budget is as low as it gets made out to be there are far more examples of teams getting relegated with similar fiannces than there are going up.
It doesn't matter though, we'll just bring in dross and develop them. Why has nobody else thought of this?
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on May 19, 2018 8:13:05 GMT
In an ideal world we would all love to be bringing through quality young kids. But this takes not just a lot more money than these 2 idiots have but a good standing in the football league. Leeds bring them through Huddersfield bring them through Hull bring then through Sunderland Middlesborough Both Sheffield clubs, come on edin tell us why we will beat these local teams to signing these kids with a worse standing and shitter facilities shitter coaches. We are the football version of skip rats. All the unwanted players get dumped and then we sift through the contents to see if there is anything worth weighing in at the scrappers. Your bang on in the fact that Edin has still not told us why these unwanted Jamie Vardy's will come to us when there are better options within an hours travel of us. I see on twitter the gompers are lapping it up though. The thing with city fans they just want to be shit to make the odd glory Tuesday night under the lights cup games special. Same bellends that love shit grounds for the nostalgia and say they hate the premier league because it's money is ruining the game. We have the most unambitious easily pleased fans who revel in failure in the world
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Post by mikehunt on May 19, 2018 8:14:25 GMT
We’re fucked. I’ll see you in August 2019 for the start of the League Two season.
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Post by BingomoanyBob on May 19, 2018 8:20:39 GMT
...come on edin tell us why we will beat these local teams to signing these kids with a worse standing and shitter facilities shitter coaches. One word: Bonuses. It's the incentive based salaries which will get get them flocking to us. Edin is a 21st century Pied Piper, instead of his tunes it's those magical contracts which will attract. Believe.
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Post by ricksanchez on May 19, 2018 8:21:00 GMT
Edin seems to think that the following will be integral to our success: •Coaching •Development •Team harmony. As I've mentioned before, all footballers get coached and developed and probably have been doing since the sport began. Yet, because he keeps mentioning it a section of our fans think it's some sort of master plan and that we should all get behind it. Unless other players don't get coached and look to improve themselves (highly unlikely) we're literally the same as every other league club. As for team harmony, that's strongly linked with results. The team harmony isn't going to be great if we lose 10 on the trot. What's the best way to pick up results? Bring in the best players. And how is that going to be achieved? You provide a good budget nd yet, he seems to completely overlook that and keeps citing Shrewsbury as an example of what an be achieved on minimal resources. Shrewsbury are the exception rather than the rule and if they budget is as low as it gets made out to be there are far more examples of teams getting relegated with similar fiannces than there are going up.
It doesn't matter though, we'll just bring in dross and develop them. Why has nobody else thought of this? Fantastic point, sir.
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Post by moshimoshi on May 19, 2018 8:27:14 GMT
In an ideal world we would all love to be bringing through quality young kids. But this takes not just a lot more money than these 2 idiots have but a good standing in the football league. Leeds bring them through Huddersfield bring them through Hull bring then through Sunderland Middlesborough Both Sheffield clubs, come on edin tell us why we will beat these local teams to signing these kids with a worse standing and shitter facilities shitter coaches. We are the football version of skip rats. All the unwanted players get dumped and then we sift through the contents to see if there is anything worth weighing in at the scrappers. Your bang on in the fact that Edin has still not told us why these unwanted Jamie Vardy's will come to us when there are better options within an hours travel of us. I see on twitter the gompers are lapping it up though. A levels innit
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Post by citygentile on May 19, 2018 8:30:00 GMT
Ha. Set of moaning fuckers according to bantamtalk. Is how shit the club is right now an illusion that only a few can see? Sure, he might turn it round, but surely it is not totally over the top to be genuinely concerned about the future of the club? It's a strange one. Some people seem to genuinely think that it's an over the top view to regard Edin as a damaging foreign owner, but from where I am standing he is starting to be just as bad as some of the characters we've seen at clubs like Leeds, Blackpool and so-on. Ok, Edin may not be a criminal etc. but his one-track mind about how success in football is achieved will end up being just as damaging to us whilst it fails. He seems to care more about youth development than the bread and butter of the league season and winning football matches. Yes, what he says makes sense about growing the club organically but you need money to get it off the ground. Using only the revenue generated by season ticket sales and sponsorship to build this mystical conveyer belt of talent will mean that it's going to take many many years to create the infrastructure required and in the meantime the shite budget that's left for the actual business of the 46 league one fixtures, will only lead to the type of insipid mediocrity on a Saturday that will eventually lead to the vast majority of fans walking away. It will be like those building projects that start off looking really promising, great designs and plans, expensive equipment and contractors brought in, but the project drags on and on, the money starts to run out and what started out looking really promising ends up getting canned because all the investors have cut their losses - leaving a shell of something that will never be finished. He talks in the interview about how we can look to clubs like Huddersfield as a sort of blue print, but shit - Hoyle has pumped a lot of money into Huddersfield over the years. Millions and millions and millions more that Edin or Stefan are ever going to do at our club. He should have listened to Grayson. Invest in youth when you have a platform to do so. Get the club settled into the championship first and implement the strategy gradually. He seems to think his business is to sell footballers to big clubs and doesn't seem to grasp that football is supposed to be about providing entertainment to the fans. I get the feeling that he views the fans as a bit of a fucking hassle and he seems to say during the interview "if you don't like it, fuck off". And I think this is where the outlook differs between a Bradford City fan and the club's owners . I honestly couldn't care less about who's in the first 11, whether they're 18 or 32, been here since they were 8 or came last week. I want to see the team winning and hopefully playing some decent football (but not playing some decent football and losing). I think that R&R believe that the only way they can make a profit on their investment is by creating a club that itself is profitable through the acquisition, development and sale of players. The team winning honours is secondary. Lawn/Rhodes wanted glory because they're City fans, that's the difference between them and Rahic and Rupp. I also don't believe that Rahic 'found' a Burton Albion reserve defender that had first played for City on loan at the start of his career decades ago. It's when he comes out with this type of shit that makes me raise an eyebrow and distrust what he's saying, even if he's telling the truth.
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Post by ricksanchez on May 19, 2018 9:00:21 GMT
It's a strange one. Some people seem to genuinely think that it's an over the top view to regard Edin as a damaging foreign owner, but from where I am standing he is starting to be just as bad as some of the characters we've seen at clubs like Leeds, Blackpool and so-on. Ok, Edin may not be a criminal etc. but his one-track mind about how success in football is achieved will end up being just as damaging to us whilst it fails. He seems to care more about youth development than the bread and butter of the league season and winning football matches. Yes, what he says makes sense about growing the club organically but you need money to get it off the ground. Using only the revenue generated by season ticket sales and sponsorship to build this mystical conveyer belt of talent will mean that it's going to take many many years to create the infrastructure required and in the meantime the shite budget that's left for the actual business of the 46 league one fixtures, will only lead to the type of insipid mediocrity on a Saturday that will eventually lead to the vast majority of fans walking away. It will be like those building projects that start off looking really promising, great designs and plans, expensive equipment and contractors brought in, but the project drags on and on, the money starts to run out and what started out looking really promising ends up getting canned because all the investors have cut their losses - leaving a shell of something that will never be finished. He talks in the interview about how we can look to clubs like Huddersfield as a sort of blue print, but shit - Hoyle has pumped a lot of money into Huddersfield over the years. Millions and millions and millions more that Edin or Stefan are ever going to do at our club. He should have listened to Grayson. Invest in youth when you have a platform to do so. Get the club settled into the championship first and implement the strategy gradually. He seems to think his business is to sell footballers to big clubs and doesn't seem to grasp that football is supposed to be about providing entertainment to the fans. I get the feeling that he views the fans as a bit of a fucking hassle and he seems to say during the interview "if you don't like it, fuck off". And I think this is where the outlook differs between a Bradford City fan and the club's owners . I honestly couldn't care less about who's in the first 11, whether they're 18 or 32, been here since they were 8 or came last week. I want to see the team winning and hopefully playing some decent football (but not playing some decent football and losing). I think that R&R believe that the only way they can make a profit on their investment is by creating a club that itself is profitable through the acquisition, development and sale of players. The team winning honours is secondary. Lawn/Rhodes wanted glory because they're City fans, that's the difference between them and Rahic and Rupp. I also don't believe that Rahic 'found' a Burton Albion reserve defender that had first played for City on loan at the start of his career decades ago. It's when he comes out with this type of shit that makes me raise an eyebrow and distrust what he's saying, even if he's telling the truth. Exactly. They are focusing their attention on business matters and not on hitting-the-back-of-the-onion-bag matters. Sure, it would be nice to think Mummies and Daddies want their little starlets to learn football from Edin at Bradford, but who fucking cares if it costs us being utterly wank on a Saturday.
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Post by Neshead on May 19, 2018 9:09:01 GMT
Ha. Set of moaning fuckers according to bantamtalk. Is how shit the club is right now an illusion that only a few can see? Sure, he might turn it round, but surely it is not totally over the top to be genuinely concerned about the future of the club? It's a strange one. Some people seem to genuinely think that it's an over the top view to regard Edin as a damaging foreign owner, but from where I am standing he is starting to be just as bad as some of the characters we've seen at clubs like Leeds, Blackpool and so-on. Ok, Edin may not be a criminal etc. but his one-track mind about how success in football is achieved will end up being just as damaging to us whilst it fails. He seems to care more about youth development than the bread and butter of the league season and winning football matches. Yes, what he says makes sense about growing the club organically but you need money to get it off the ground. Using only the revenue generated by season ticket sales and sponsorship to build this mystical conveyer belt of talent will mean that it's going to take many many years to create the infrastructure required and in the meantime the shite budget that's left for the actual business of the 46 league one fixtures, will only buy the type of insipid mediocrity on a Saturday that will lead to the vast majority of fans walking away. It will be like those building projects that start off looking really promising, great designs and plans, expensive equipment and contractors brought in, but the project drags on and on, the money starts to run out and what started out looking really promising ends up getting canned because all the investors have cut their losses - leaving a shell of something that will never be finished. He talks in the interview about how we can look to clubs like Huddersfield as a sort of blue print, but shit - Hoyle has pumped a lot of money into Huddersfield over the years. Millions and millions and millions more that Edin or Stefan are ever going to do at our club. He should have listened to Grayson. Invest in youth when you have a platform to do so. Get the club settled into the championship first and implement the strategy gradually. He seems to think his business is to sell footballers to big clubs and doesn't seem to grasp that football is supposed to be about providing entertainment to the fans. I get the feeling that he views the fans as a bit of a fucking hassle and he seems to say during the interview "if you don't like it, fuck off". I've heard a few people mentioning Huddersfield when comparing teams and now Edin has done it. We are nothing like them. As you have said Dean Hoyle has pumped millions into the club, their ground and facilities blow ours out of the water. When are people going to realise we are a lower league club, always have been always will be.
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Post by citygentile on May 19, 2018 9:50:17 GMT
It's a strange one. Some people seem to genuinely think that it's an over the top view to regard Edin as a damaging foreign owner, but from where I am standing he is starting to be just as bad as some of the characters we've seen at clubs like Leeds, Blackpool and so-on. Ok, Edin may not be a criminal etc. but his one-track mind about how success in football is achieved will end up being just as damaging to us whilst it fails. He seems to care more about youth development than the bread and butter of the league season and winning football matches. Yes, what he says makes sense about growing the club organically but you need money to get it off the ground. Using only the revenue generated by season ticket sales and sponsorship to build this mystical conveyer belt of talent will mean that it's going to take many many years to create the infrastructure required and in the meantime the shite budget that's left for the actual business of the 46 league one fixtures, will only buy the type of insipid mediocrity on a Saturday that will lead to the vast majority of fans walking away. It will be like those building projects that start off looking really promising, great designs and plans, expensive equipment and contractors brought in, but the project drags on and on, the money starts to run out and what started out looking really promising ends up getting canned because all the investors have cut their losses - leaving a shell of something that will never be finished. He talks in the interview about how we can look to clubs like Huddersfield as a sort of blue print, but shit - Hoyle has pumped a lot of money into Huddersfield over the years. Millions and millions and millions more that Edin or Stefan are ever going to do at our club. He should have listened to Grayson. Invest in youth when you have a platform to do so. Get the club settled into the championship first and implement the strategy gradually. He seems to think his business is to sell footballers to big clubs and doesn't seem to grasp that football is supposed to be about providing entertainment to the fans. I get the feeling that he views the fans as a bit of a fucking hassle and he seems to say during the interview "if you don't like it, fuck off". I've heard a few people mentioning Huddersfield when comparing teams and now Edin has done it. We are nothing like them. As you have said Dean Hoyle has pumped millions into the club, their ground and facilities blow ours out of the water. When are people going to realise we are a lower league club, always have been always will be. The Pedigree Bum Chums might be light years ahead of City now, but that's only happened since Hoyle got on board. Apart from the Herbert Chapman era, Town have been stuck in the lower leagues like City for a lot of the time until relatively recently. The sad fact is, there's never been an actual City supporting owner that's been prepared to spend what the likes of Hoyle has.
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Post by Hobhead on May 19, 2018 10:31:12 GMT
Edin seems to think that the following will be integral to our success: •Coaching •Development •Team harmony. By sheer coincidence all three of those things are either cheap or free.
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Post by bantam147 on May 19, 2018 14:00:10 GMT
Once again dear readers, Bantam147 has proven to be the voice of insight and wisdom.
'Lessons have been learned'.
They've looked at last season and concluded that it turned to rat shit, not because of shocking management and player recruitment, because 'not everyone was pulling in the same direction'.
So now, anyone who was at risk of getting in the way of their plan is fucking gone. Oh, and when it's shit, don't complain of criticise because if you do you can't really be a fan.
What an absolute bellend.
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Post by ricksanchez on May 19, 2018 15:06:39 GMT
Once again dear readers, Bantam147 has proven to be the voice of insight and wisdom. 'Lessons have been learned'. They've looked at last season and concluded that it turned to rat shit, not because of shocking management and player recruitment, because 'not everyone was pulling in the same direction'. So now, anyone who was at risk of getting in the way of their plan is fucking gone. Oh, and when it's shit, don't complain of criticise because if you do you can't really be a fan. What an absolute bellend. Anyone who went to the JPT game against Doncaster at the start of the season will have had a sneak peak of what next season is going to be like. We had some utter garbage on show that day and we lost meekly against a very ordinary side, BUT the players on show were young and cheap and as we now know - that's all that matters. It's in our DNA.
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Post by bantam147 on May 19, 2018 15:23:22 GMT
Once again dear readers, Bantam147 has proven to be the voice of insight and wisdom. 'Lessons have been learned'. They've looked at last season and concluded that it turned to rat shit, not because of shocking management and player recruitment, because 'not everyone was pulling in the same direction'. So now, anyone who was at risk of getting in the way of their plan is fucking gone. Oh, and when it's shit, don't complain of criticise because if you do you can't really be a fan. What an absolute bellend. Anyone who went to the JPT game against Doncaster at the start of the season will have had a sneak peak of what next season is going to be like. We had some utter garbage on show that day and we lost meekly against a very ordinary side, BUT the players on show were young and cheap and as we now know - that's all that matters. It's in our DNA. If they’d have pulled together more they’d have won.
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Post by jose on May 19, 2018 18:22:03 GMT
It's a strange old world that. Rapidly becomes 'in the world of liars, he who speaks the truth becomes the odd one out'.
Easy to label as a dissenter or otherwise.
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Post by ricksanchez on May 19, 2018 19:30:09 GMT
It's a strange old world that. Rapidly becomes 'in the world of liars, he who speaks the truth becomes the odd one out'. Easy to label as a dissenter or otherwise. Ronnie? 😯
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