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Mar 23, 2019 7:47:11 GMT
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Mar 23, 2019 7:47:11 GMT
But if Remain win a second vote by less of a majority than 1.3m what then?
Best of 7?
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Mar 23, 2019 8:02:28 GMT
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Post by Fat Ade on Mar 23, 2019 8:02:28 GMT
But if Remain win a second vote by less of a majority than 1.3m what then? Best of 7? You are right, where does it actually end? Fuck knows to be honest...the vote however was way too close for there ever to be a happy medium found not that that is a reason to have a second vote. I would suggest that electoral law being broken would be a very valid reason for another vote though as well as the apparent change in public opinion.
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Post by Hobhead on Mar 23, 2019 8:19:33 GMT
If the referendum is overturned, their will definately be some blowback. I can’t see 17.4m people getting brushed under the carpet by the political class. 17.4m who are now acutely aware of what a corrupt self serving shitshow parliament has become, if they had any doubt in the first place. Remember the Scottish indy ref and how Scottish Labour (and Tories to a lesser extent) were wiped out in the following general election. Ironically this worked in the tories favour and they won a small majority in 2015. This isn’t over yet. If it’s 17.4 million people that are going to be brushed under the carpet, then why are people losing their shit at the thought of another vote as if it is 17.4 million that vote leave again it will win by a fucking landslide? I can hazard a guess what one of the main reasons is that large masses of people appear to have changed their mind meaning leave probably wouldn’t win. Hypothetically, if the clear majority now lean towards remain, is the suggestion that politicians should ignore it? Should the politicians “brush them under the carpet” when they will be acutely aware that the tide has turned? If they answer is yes, do you not think that there will not be consequences similar to the ones of Brexiteers attacking MP’s in the street? Because, you know, large volumes of people won’t sit back and be brushed under the carpet. What are we basing the idea that large numbers of people have changed their minds on? Opinion polls? The same opinion polls that said remain had it in the bag the first time? The media? The same media that mobilised en masse for remain and have agitated for it ever since? Anecdotal evidence from personal social circles? The fact is we’ve voted for something and there is a huge effort to make sure it remains untried and neither the time it’s taking nor the incompetence or intransigence of the House Of Commons is admissible as evidence that it’s become a bad idea. I’m actually coming around to the idea that having another vote and Remain winning might be the best thing for the long term. If people who voted Leave stay true to their word and disenfranchise themselves to the extent that turnout falls to the level where no government can claim a legitimate mandate and we only return naive, idealistic left wing idiots then hopefully this shitty system is irreparably damaged. It’d almost be worth shitting all over the democratic process to change it forever.
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Mar 23, 2019 8:22:03 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Mar 23, 2019 8:22:03 GMT
And the only way this ‘solves’ anything is if Remain wins and wins well. It’s riskier than Remainers seem to realise.
Their second vote could quite easily cause even more of this ‘divisiveness ’ they claim the referendum is responsible for.
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Mar 23, 2019 8:44:15 GMT
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Mar 23, 2019 8:44:15 GMT
But if Remain win a second vote by less of a majority than 1.3m what then? Best of 7? Using brexit logic as far as I can deduce it, if remain narrowly wins we not only stay in the EU, but also adopt the euro and replace the house of Lords with the Bundestag.
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Mar 23, 2019 8:47:37 GMT
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Mar 23, 2019 8:47:37 GMT
Things will be better once we've taken back control. Then the UK parliament can do what it wants with no oversight and imagine how good the whole of Britain and definitely not just one corner of it will be then. who oversees the overseers? Yr right, we cant have infinite levels of oversight so lets have none. Westminster seem like good lads with our best interests at heart after all.
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Mar 23, 2019 8:48:47 GMT
Post by Neshead on Mar 23, 2019 8:48:47 GMT
But if Remain win a second vote by less of a majority than 1.3m what then? Best of 7? You are right, where does it actually end? Fuck knows to be honest...the vote however was way too close for there ever to be a happy medium found not that that is a reason to have a second vote. I would suggest that electoral law being broken would be a very valid reason for another vote though as well as the apparent change in public opinion. Fuck off you silly cunt.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Mar 23, 2019 8:49:59 GMT
And the only way this ‘solves’ anything is if Remain wins and wins well. It’s riskier than Remainers seem to realise. Their second vote could quite easily cause even more of this ‘divisiveness ’ they claim the referendum is responsible for. TBF, if leave won a second one id shut up. I'd still think it was dumb, but I'd think we should leave. I wouldn't literally shut up. Id go on about how right I was all the time.
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Mar 23, 2019 9:27:36 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Mar 23, 2019 9:27:36 GMT
And the only way this ‘solves’ anything is if Remain wins and wins well. It’s riskier than Remainers seem to realise. Their second vote could quite easily cause even more of this ‘divisiveness ’ they claim the referendum is responsible for. TBF, if leave won a second one id shut up. I'd still think it was dumb, but I'd think we should leave. I wouldn't literally shut up. Id go on about how right I was all the time. That’s just it, the only way it gets settled is with a second vote for leave. Remainers don’t want it settled and they don’t want an end to the divisiveness; they just want their own way.
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Mar 23, 2019 9:36:38 GMT
Post by Hobhead on Mar 23, 2019 9:36:38 GMT
If leave won again it’d be settled. If Remain won the second one the arguments would rage on unless they won by a landslide. That kind of divisiveness would just be the product of small-minded racists unable to accept the result of a democratic process though. Those complaints would need to stop.
A second vote solves nothing but they know that really.
And while I’m ranting a ‘people’s vote’ has to be some of the most limp-wristed, mealy-mouthed pieces of labelling I’ve ever heard.
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Mar 23, 2019 9:49:54 GMT
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Post by Hoochy on Mar 23, 2019 9:49:54 GMT
I'm hoping you lot LEAVE and Nicola enforces a Yes2 vote up here. Get the fuck out of the union with the UK and jump in bed with Europe.
OOT MEANS IN.
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Post by Dick on Mar 23, 2019 10:26:30 GMT
The powers that be are/were never going to let us leave the EU. All this now, is just a facade Said it the day after the referendum. There’s just too much money to be made from free movement. I never paid too much attention to this thread as I hate politics and politicians (somewhat ironic as I work in a government office... at the same time I don't want to talk about it on the internet after working around it all day) but am now going back through it. I said something similar in the immediate aftermath as well - a lot of people of there, lawyers, consultants, experts in business, trade, economics etc who'll have been rubbing their hands at the whole post vote process and will be laughing more at the thought of extending it further. As for the vote itself it should never have been a one off vote of this nature left to the public. I wasnt really for or against either side, but the way cunts like Cameron, Johnson, Farage etc either instigated the vote or whipped up frenzy around it and then fucked off when they realised they'd opened Pandoras Box makes me despise politicians even more. Too many horrible disgusting cunt bastards are using the people to feed their own appetites for greed, wealth and power. Mind you if it all goes to shit I can cash on on my British / EU nationally and leave you fuckers behind.
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Mar 23, 2019 10:40:29 GMT
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Post by Fat Ade on Mar 23, 2019 10:40:29 GMT
If it’s 17.4 million people that are going to be brushed under the carpet, then why are people losing their shit at the thought of another vote as if it is 17.4 million that vote leave again it will win by a fucking landslide? I can hazard a guess what one of the main reasons is that large masses of people appear to have changed their mind meaning leave probably wouldn’t win. Hypothetically, if the clear majority now lean towards remain, is the suggestion that politicians should ignore it? Should the politicians “brush them under the carpet” when they will be acutely aware that the tide has turned? If they answer is yes, do you not think that there will not be consequences similar to the ones of Brexiteers attacking MP’s in the street? Because, you know, large volumes of people won’t sit back and be brushed under the carpet. What are we basing the idea that large numbers of people have changed their minds on? Opinion polls? The same opinion polls that said remain had it in the bag the first time? The media? The same media that mobilised en masse for remain and have agitated for it ever since? Anecdotal evidence from personal social circles? The fact is we’ve voted for something and there is a huge effort to make sure it remains untried and neither the time it’s taking nor the incompetence or intransigence of the House Of Commons is admissible as evidence that it’s become a bad idea. I’m actually coming around to the idea that having another vote and Remain winning might be the best thing for the long term. If people who voted Leave stay true to their word and disenfranchise themselves to the extent that turnout falls to the level where no government can claim a legitimate mandate and we only return naive, idealistic left wing idiots then hopefully this shitty system is irreparably damaged. It’d almost be worth shitting all over the democratic process to change it forever. The thing is I and as it appears yourself, am coming around to the idea of a second vote as, again as it appears like yourself, were dead against it because like it has been said previously where the fuck does it end? We can’t continually keep voting for something until we get the answer that we want. However as Brexit is likely to never be asked again in my lifetime once it’s finally sorted out, then I think it would be sensible, now the full facts are out in the open about what it will take, that a second opinion is needed (for clarity I am not saying that all leave voters didn’t know what they were voting for but I am saying some didn’t, I don’t think that’s an unreasonable stand point) In regards to my comments around masses of people changing their mind, it’s a mixture of all your points, opinion polls (that were wrong once so could be wrong again), things said in the media by people I would suggest are better informed than me and personal friends who’ve had a change of heart...all of which again point to the need for a second opinion/vote, if the result comes back again as leave or is changed to remain, it does not mean that it was wrong to have a second vote in my opinion. The problem is without a second vote then we will never know but again, like I’ve said what happens if it is a tight...fuck knows, it’s a fucking mess which ever side of the fence you sit on. I wholeheartedly agree that something needs to change within the establishment as it appears to be broken, there needs to be some sort of repercussions for lies told for a start. Both sides were guilty of this during the campaign.
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Mar 23, 2019 10:43:34 GMT
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Post by Fat Ade on Mar 23, 2019 10:43:34 GMT
And the only way this ‘solves’ anything is if Remain wins and wins well. It’s riskier than Remainers seem to realise. Their second vote could quite easily cause even more of this ‘divisiveness ’ they claim the referendum is responsible for. I would suggest which ever way a second vote went, it needs to be clear.
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Mar 23, 2019 11:10:09 GMT
Post by Neshead on Mar 23, 2019 11:10:09 GMT
And the only way this ‘solves’ anything is if Remain wins and wins well. It’s riskier than Remainers seem to realise. Their second vote could quite easily cause even more of this ‘divisiveness ’ they claim the referendum is responsible for. I would suggest which ever way a second vote went, it needs to be clear. There is no need for a second vote Simon. This isn't best of five. We won you lost. Get with the programme.
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Post by Hoochy on Mar 23, 2019 11:21:03 GMT
I would suggest which ever way a second vote went, it needs to be clear. There is no need for a second vote Simon. This isn't best of five. We won you lost. Get with the programme. Nes can't wait to get a yellow vest on and head butt a police horse.
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Post by Neshead on Mar 23, 2019 11:29:08 GMT
There is no need for a second vote Simon. This isn't best of five. We won you lost. Get with the programme. Nes can't wait to get a yellow vest on and head butt a police horse. While drinking a can of carling shouting 'TAKIN ARE JOBS'.
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Mar 23, 2019 11:30:14 GMT
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Post by Fat Ade on Mar 23, 2019 11:30:14 GMT
I would suggest which ever way a second vote went, it needs to be clear. There is no need for a second vote Simon. This isn't best of five. We won you lost. Get with the programme. LOLZ
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Mar 23, 2019 11:34:07 GMT
Post by Neshead on Mar 23, 2019 11:34:07 GMT
There is no need for a second vote Simon. This isn't best of five. We won you lost. Get with the programme. LOLZ Just wait till Thursday, you're getting a good kick in the cunt.
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Post by Fat Ade on Mar 23, 2019 11:36:04 GMT
Just wait till Thursday, you're getting a good kick in the cunt. I am going to reverse meg you...again and have Tyson call it for me
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