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Post by Neshead on Sept 3, 2019 10:27:19 GMT
It's a story as old as fucking time, ain't it. The Irish, The Pakistanis, EU migrants, they all get/got the blame. Check out how the Windrush folk were treated when they went down the pits, nothing's changed. Divide and fucking conquer... I would've thought folk might have worked it out by now. What are we blaming them for exactly?
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Sept 3, 2019 10:30:27 GMT
Lads, 5 years ago there was a load of Polish lads and lasses working at our place, there’s none now. I’m still waiting for my pay rise. If your pay rate hasn’t increased in 5 years then your empoloyer is taking the piss
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Sept 3, 2019 10:37:22 GMT
Freedom of movement is shit for lower paid, unskilled people unless you're lower paid and unskilled from a lower paid country coming into a higher paid country. FOM has suppressed wages for the worse off in society. People were then told that they were "too lazy" to take on these jobs and we "needed" to import cheap labour to do them. Insult on top of insult. The best thing for the working class in this country would be to halt FOM asap. If you restrict the labour pool then employers have no choice but to start bidding for employees. The power shifts to the worker. And your point about the EU preventing war is bollocks hardly dignifying a reply. Democracy has prevented war. If you knew your history you'd know that only once have two democracies declared war on each other. Britain and Finland. No shots between the two were ever fired because it wasn't a serious declaration - it was done to appease Stalin. Most studies show a very small correlation between unskilled migrants and wage decreases, in the region of 0.2% decrease for every 1% migrant share. I’d say the bigger issue is that British people are shit at languages, so don’t feel any potential benefit. I take yr point that not everybody sees it as a benefit, but tbh when someone asked me to list the benefits of membership, I was all *rolls eyes ffs* Didn’t Hitler get elected in an election? The remoaner mantra is “we didn’t vote to be poorer” yet you’ve just admitted low paid workers will be 0.2% poorer if we remain.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 10:42:07 GMT
Most studies show a very small correlation between unskilled migrants and wage decreases, in the region of 0.2% decrease for every 1% migrant share. I’d say the bigger issue is that British people are shit at languages, so don’t feel any potential benefit. I take yr point that not everybody sees it as a benefit, but tbh when someone asked me to list the benefits of membership, I was all *rolls eyes ffs* Didn’t Hitler get elected in an election? Yes he did but very quickly moved to ban elections and opposition parties. Germany very quickly became a dictatorship. And that "small" correlation is enough. Why would anyone vote for a 0.2% decrease? No matter how small that is anyone seeing the word "decrease" ain't voting for it. How much has austerity affected low paid workers? Cos people kept voting for that. And the decrease is if you isolate that from the potential much larger gains to be made of companies have more work as a result of being in a large trading bloc.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 10:42:27 GMT
Most studies show a very small correlation between unskilled migrants and wage decreases, in the region of 0.2% decrease for every 1% migrant share. I’d say the bigger issue is that British people are shit at languages, so don’t feel any potential benefit. I take yr point that not everybody sees it as a benefit, but tbh when someone asked me to list the benefits of membership, I was all *rolls eyes ffs* Didn’t Hitler get elected in an election? The remoaner mantra is “we didn’t vote to be poorer” yet you’ve just admitted low paid workers will be 0.2% poorer if we remain. See above
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Post by claw on Sept 3, 2019 10:43:42 GMT
It's a story as old as fucking time, ain't it. The Irish, The Pakistanis, EU migrants, they all get/got the blame. Check out how the Windrush folk were treated when they went down the pits, nothing's changed. Divide and fucking conquer... I would've thought folk might have worked it out by now. What are we blaming them for exactly? Shit wages.
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Post by claw on Sept 3, 2019 10:46:23 GMT
Lads, 5 years ago there was a load of Polish lads and lasses working at our place, there’s none now. I’m still waiting for my pay rise. If your pay rate hasn’t increased in 5 years then your empoloyer is taking the piss Never thought of that. But then it’s industry wide. So it looks like I’ll be fucked over for a while longer yet.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 3, 2019 10:47:38 GMT
If your pay rate hasn’t increased in 5 years then your empoloyer is taking the piss Never thought of that. But then it’s industry wide. So it looks like I’ll be fucked over for a while longer yet. So its just you m9, your employers are mugging you off.
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Post by claw on Sept 3, 2019 10:50:27 GMT
Never thought of that. But then it’s industry wide. So it looks like I’ll be fucked over for a while longer yet. So its just you m9, your employers are mugging you off. It’s industry wide.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 3, 2019 10:51:24 GMT
Yes he did but very quickly moved to ban elections and opposition parties. Germany very quickly became a dictatorship. And that "small" correlation is enough. Why would anyone vote for a 0.2% decrease? No matter how small that is anyone seeing the word "decrease" ain't voting for it. How much has austerity affected low paid workers? Cos people kept voting for that. And the decrease is if you isolate that from the potential much larger gains to be made of companies have more work as a result of being in a large trading bloc. Brexit Bingo. Good old austerity. Please explain austerity to me because i haven't seen any of it. Everywhere i go i see MacDonalds, KFC, Costas etc all full, kids on council estates wearing designer clobber, smoking weed like its going out of fashion. Where is this austerity? Get out and graft and austerity doesn't exist.
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Post by claw on Sept 3, 2019 10:51:27 GMT
Never thought of that. But then it’s industry wide. So it looks like I’ll be fucked over for a while longer yet. So its just you m9, your employers are mugging you off. And yes they are mugging me off.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 3, 2019 10:52:55 GMT
So its just you m9, your employers are mugging you off. It’s industry wide. Wait till we leave the EU, Boris will get you that wage rise you so deserve.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 10:53:26 GMT
How much has austerity affected low paid workers? Cos people kept voting for that. And the decrease is if you isolate that from the potential much larger gains to be made of companies have more work as a result of being in a large trading bloc. Brexit Bingo. Good old austerity. Please explain austerity to me because i haven't seen any of it. Everywhere i go i see MacDonalds, KFC, Costas etc all full, kids on council estates wearing designer clobber, smoking weed like its going out of fashion. Where is this austerity? Get out and graft and austerity doesn't exist. Hahaha wtf. That wasn’t even a brexit point. That was a national economic policy point.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 3, 2019 10:56:54 GMT
Brexit Bingo. Good old austerity. Please explain austerity to me because i haven't seen any of it. Everywhere i go i see MacDonalds, KFC, Costas etc all full, kids on council estates wearing designer clobber, smoking weed like its going out of fashion. Where is this austerity? Get out and graft and austerity doesn't exist. Hahaha wtf. That wasn’t even a brexit point. That was a national economic policy point. Explain what you think austerity is, you own words, not some so called expert that you continually search for.
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Post by claw on Sept 3, 2019 10:57:11 GMT
Wait till we leave the EU, Boris will get you that wage rise you so deserve. Can’t wait.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 11:02:57 GMT
Hahaha wtf. That wasn’t even a brexit point. That was a national economic policy point. Explain what you think austerity is, you own words, not some so called expert that you continually search for. In the UK, which I was specifically referring to, the political decision to focus solely on reducing revenue expenditure instead of taking advantage the strong national credit rating at the time and historically low borrowing rates to make capital investments in infrastructure to deliver assets and short and long term economic benefits and therefore increased tax income.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 3, 2019 11:08:28 GMT
Explain what you think austerity is, you own words, not some so called expert that you continually search for. In the UK, which I was specifically referring to, the political decision to focus solely on reducing revenue expenditure instead of taking advantage the strong national credit rating at the time and historically low borrowing rates to make capital investments in infrastructure to deliver assets and short and long term economic benefits and therefore increased tax income. And when was the last time in the UK this economic strategy was implemented successfully? And don't say Blair and his supposed rebuilding programme of schools and hospitals. We'll still be paying over the odds for that fiasco for years and years.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 11:09:58 GMT
In the UK, which I was specifically referring to, the political decision to focus solely on reducing revenue expenditure instead of taking advantage the strong national credit rating at the time and historically low borrowing rates to make capital investments in infrastructure to deliver assets and short and long term economic benefits and therefore increased tax income. And when was the last time in the UK this economic strategy was implemented successfully? And don't say Blair and his supposed rebuilding programme of schools and hospitals. We'll still be paying over the odds for that fiasco for years and years. God no PFI is a fucking shambles, and rank incompetence. The first one that springs to mind is the post war council house building programme.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 3, 2019 11:21:51 GMT
And when was the last time in the UK this economic strategy was implemented successfully? And don't say Blair and his supposed rebuilding programme of schools and hospitals. We'll still be paying over the odds for that fiasco for years and years. God no PFI is a fucking shambles, and rank incompetence. The first one that springs to mind is the post war council house building programme. The last major investment to the infrastructure to this country i can think of is the building of the motorways in the 60s and 70s. Its the reason why countries in the far east and even eastern Europe are growing so fast, their infrastructures are booming. I've been to Poland a fair few times over the last few years and you can see the country changing new roads and big airport expansions, their airports put ours to shame. Industry are wanting to set up these countries because labour is cheap and plentiful. We need investment in this country but where would we start and why? No new industry is ever going to set up here which is paramount to the repayment of infrastructure. And i see similar problems in what we see as established European countries. Its cheaper to go elsewhere.
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Sept 3, 2019 11:25:36 GMT
Yes he did but very quickly moved to ban elections and opposition parties. Germany very quickly became a dictatorship. And that "small" correlation is enough. Why would anyone vote for a 0.2% decrease? No matter how small that is anyone seeing the word "decrease" ain't voting for it. How much has austerity affected low paid workers? Cos people kept voting for that. And the decrease is if you isolate that from the potential much larger gains to be made of companies have more work as a result of being in a large trading bloc. Austerity might have affected low paid workers through the benefit top ups that the government scandalously pay to top up wages thereby allowing companies to get away with paying less than they ought to. I've got no evidence for austerity affecting low paid staff though so it's pure guesswork. Do you have any?
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