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Post by Dick on Feb 24, 2023 7:10:04 GMT
I hated that match. Absolutely nothing to enjoy about it once it kicked off.
If I wanted to enjoy flag wanking I'd take up semaphore.
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Post by Hoochy on Feb 24, 2023 8:30:28 GMT
The match was a huge letdown. I think they could have scored 9 or 10 without breaking sweat. I did enjoy the flag waving bit to be honest, felt like there was something quite special in that at that moment.
Always remember chatting to some Swansea fans on the tube after. They looked almost embarrassed about it all. Shame for them in some ways that their first ever major trophy win was a bit hollow.
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Post by hammstrasse on Feb 24, 2023 9:00:33 GMT
I hated that match. Absolutely nothing to enjoy about it once it kicked off. If I wanted to enjoy flag wanking I'd take up semaphore. I think the 10,000 who turned up regularly to home games felt the same. I enjoyed the journey far more than the destination. It hurts seeing your team get spanked however over half of the people there weren't bothered as it was the only time they went that season. Full time at Villa Park was the pinnacle of that cup run and it was attended by those who watched Coty week in week out. If I were to relive any of that cup run it would be the Villa game and the joy at the full time whistle. 15,000 tourists at their first game that season waving flags whilst we get pumped doesn't do it for me.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Feb 24, 2023 9:39:43 GMT
Putting Curtis Good in instead of Davies left us as good as hammered before we kicked off. At that moment in time I used to love watching Swansea so the result didn't bother me.
My angst is the way people still harp on about it while we're back in that division playing pub and village standard teams.
Look forward not backwards
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Post by Dick on Feb 24, 2023 10:12:37 GMT
I hated that match. Absolutely nothing to enjoy about it once it kicked off. If I wanted to enjoy flag wanking I'd take up semaphore. I think the 10,000 who turned up regularly to home games felt the same. I enjoyed the journey far more than the destination. It hurts seeing your team get spanked however over half of the people there weren't bothered as it was the only time they went that season. Full time at Villa Park was the pinnacle of that cup run and it was attended by those who watched Coty week in week out. If I were to relive any of that cup run it would be the Villa game and the joy at the full time whistle. 15,000 tourists at their first game that season waving flags whilst we get pumped doesn't do it for me. The 2 Villa games were such a huge achievement, more so than Chelsea IMO as they had 2 goes to wipe the floor with us which they could easily have done. Especially at Villa when that goal when in, apart from Leeds at VP that's probably the maddest a City goal has been celebrated. Then at full time there was just a feeling of 'what have we done?' The worst thing though was we had 2013, then the FA Cup run 2 years later and didn't capitalise on it like we should have done. Worldwide exposure you could never buy and we ended up selling to Stefan bloody Rupp and ended up back in L2 for at least 4 bloody years.
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Post by hobbes on Feb 24, 2023 10:44:25 GMT
Horrible experience all round. Arrived at Wembley in time for a few pints but the coach got stuck in traffic in the car park for an hour and they wouldn’t let us off.
Hurried up to the Green Man for the coldest most rushed pint I’ve ever had.
Was sat right at the back of the bottom tier so I couldn’t hear our fans at all.
Knew we were going to get battered when the Swansea fans blasted out Hymns and Arias absolutely in unison.
The match itself.
The female friend I’d travelled with (Man Utd fan, but wearing a new City scarf) telling me “ah well it’s only a game” at 5-0.
I enjoyed the flag bit cos otherwise I’d have thrown a seven.
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Post by Neshead on Feb 24, 2023 11:11:36 GMT
Let's be honest we'd rode our luck all the way through the competition, it had to run out sometime. Villa were in freefall and it was a great time to play them. Not knocking getting all the way to a final as it was a great achievement but there was never any chance of us even remotely troubling what was a very good premiership team on that wide open carpet at Wembley. In the end it was akin to Floyd Mayweather making Conor McGregor look competent for 90 minutes, Swansea could have doubled that scoreline if they'd wanted but had too much respect for us.
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Post by hobbes on Feb 24, 2023 11:18:31 GMT
Let's be honest we'd rode our luck all the way through the competition, it had to run out sometime. Villa were in freefall and it was a great time to play them. Not knocking getting all the way to a final as it was a great achievement but there was never any chance of us even remotely troubling what was a very good premiership team on that wide open carpet at Wembley. In the end it was akin to Floyd Mayweather making Conor McGregor look competent for 90 minutes, Swansea could have doubled that scoreline if they'd wanted but had too much respect for us. The only consolation for the result was it was their first trophy and really mattered to them and their fans. Imagine if we’d got dicked by Chelsea, their fans would have just been ‘meh’.
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Post by Hobhead on Feb 24, 2023 16:53:47 GMT
That cup run and the subsequent FA Cup one should have been a springboard for this club. The money and attention it garnered should have turned this club around. If any proof were needed that we were (and are now for that matter) run by incompetents the fact that it made absolutely no difference to our fortunes, and arguably made us worse, is it.
I think Lincoln and Exeter(?) took money from one off big ties and invested it in their youth academies. While they’ve started to reap the benefits we still train at a school, are still foundering in the bottom division and our youth academy is category cabbage.
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Post by Dick on Feb 24, 2023 17:34:52 GMT
That cup run and the subsequent FA Cup one should have been a springboard for this club. The money and attention it garnered should have turned this club around. If any proof were needed that we were (and are now for that matter) run by incompetents the fact that it made absolutely no difference to our fortunes, and arguably made us worse, is it. I think Lincoln and Exeter(?) took money from one off big ties and invested it in their youth academies. While they’ve started to reap the benefits we still train at a school, are still foundering in the bottom division and our youth academy is category cabbage. As I said above. The biggest moment since 1999 to springboard the club to a more sustainable level - I don't even mean PL, a stable CH club that develops its own talent without having to constantly gamble in free transfers - and we didn't do it. We got a whole load of things wrong because unfortunately we still had Delboy and Rodney mentality overseeing everything. Not increasing ticket prices, just reasonably, was one of them. We should have bought in someone with that real high level insight and strategy to look at how to develop the brand (no, the brand is not the fucking logo) as a whole to really tap into international markets and sell the idea of this club being a real sleeping giant. Instead we've got 'official toilet paper partners' and the like to bring in a few quid. It's the wonder that kills you as a football fan. And not even winning titles or cups. Just not being shite. When Lawn said in around 2016 we couldn't afford to be a CH team, even before we were in the POs, it was so deflating. Makes you wonder what the point of our existenc as an entity is.
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Post by Neshead on Feb 24, 2023 18:10:29 GMT
That cup run and the subsequent FA Cup one should have been a springboard for this club. The money and attention it garnered should have turned this club around. If any proof were needed that we were (and are now for that matter) run by incompetents the fact that it made absolutely no difference to our fortunes, and arguably made us worse, is it. I think Lincoln and Exeter(?) took money from one off big ties and invested it in their youth academies. While they’ve started to reap the benefits we still train at a school, are still foundering in the bottom division and our youth academy is category cabbage. As I said above. The biggest moment since 1999 to springboard the club to a more sustainable level - I don't even mean PL, a stable CH club that develops its own talent without having to constantly gamble in free transfers - and we didn't do it. We got a whole load of things wrong because unfortunately we still had Delboy and Rodney mentality overseeing everything. Not increasing ticket prices, just reasonably, was one of them. We should have bought in someone with that real high level insight and strategy to look at how to develop the brand (no, the brand is not the fucking logo) as a whole to really tap into international markets and sell the idea of this club being a real sleeping giant. Instead we've got 'official toilet paper partners' and the like to bring in a few quid. It's the wonder that kills you as a football fan. And not even winning titles or cups. Just not being shite. When Lawn said in around 2016 we couldn't afford to be a CH team, even before we were in the POs, it was so deflating. Makes you wonder what the point of our existenc as an entity is. Affordable football FFS.
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Post by tetchyarse on Feb 25, 2023 9:49:34 GMT
That cup run and the subsequent FA Cup one should have been a springboard for this club. The money and attention it garnered should have turned this club around. If any proof were needed that we were (and are now for that matter) run by incompetents the fact that it made absolutely no difference to our fortunes, and arguably made us worse, is it. I think Lincoln and Exeter(?) took money from one off big ties and invested it in their youth academies. While they’ve started to reap the benefits we still train at a school, are still foundering in the bottom division and our youth academy is category cabbage. As I said above. The biggest moment since 1999 to springboard the club to a more sustainable level - I don't even mean PL, a stable CH club that develops its own talent without having to constantly gamble in free transfers - and we didn't do it. We got a whole load of things wrong because unfortunately we still had Delboy and Rodney mentality overseeing everything. Not increasing ticket prices, just reasonably, was one of them. We should have bought in someone with that real high level insight and strategy to look at how to develop the brand (no, the brand is not the fucking logo) as a whole to really tap into international markets and sell the idea of this club being a real sleeping giant. Instead we've got 'official toilet paper partners' and the like to bring in a few quid. It's the wonder that kills you as a football fan. And not even winning titles or cups. Just not being shite. When Lawn said in around 2016 we couldn't afford to be a CH team, even before we were in the POs, it was so deflating. Makes you wonder what the point of our existenc as an entity is. The two cup runs should have paid for a new training ground, instead I'm not quite sure where the money went. I assume to pay back Mark Lawn's loans, and that's not a criticism of Lawn because at least he was prepared to put his money in to push the club forward, he just didn't have the personal wealth to fund Championship spending. We now have an owner who does have the money- he's allegedly worth €150M- but he can't be fucked. Better-run clubs than us can't afford to be Championship clubs though. Look at Rotherham, a genuinely well run club that is stuck yo-yoing between L1 and the Championship. That's the trouble, the gap between L1 and the Championship is now as big, if not bigger, than the gap between the Championship and the PL. As for season tickets, our stadium holds 25,000 people. Our way forward is by filling it. Get kids in for a quid, fill the place. It's what Geoffrey Richmond did in the 96/97 Championship season, we struggled in our first season at the higher level but we generated excitement that kept us up and allowed the promotion season to happen. I don't think there's anything wrong with affordable tickets, we need 20,000 in our ground as a minimum to generate any sort of excitement. We could whack season tickets up to £400 or £500 sure, but would that actually generate any more money? Doubt it. And sitting in VP with a crowd of 5000 would be even more depressing than it is now.
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Post by Dick on Feb 25, 2023 10:10:30 GMT
As I said above. The biggest moment since 1999 to springboard the club to a more sustainable level - I don't even mean PL, a stable CH club that develops its own talent without having to constantly gamble in free transfers - and we didn't do it. We got a whole load of things wrong because unfortunately we still had Delboy and Rodney mentality overseeing everything. Not increasing ticket prices, just reasonably, was one of them. We should have bought in someone with that real high level insight and strategy to look at how to develop the brand (no, the brand is not the fucking logo) as a whole to really tap into international markets and sell the idea of this club being a real sleeping giant. Instead we've got 'official toilet paper partners' and the like to bring in a few quid. It's the wonder that kills you as a football fan. And not even winning titles or cups. Just not being shite. When Lawn said in around 2016 we couldn't afford to be a CH team, even before we were in the POs, it was so deflating. Makes you wonder what the point of our existenc as an entity is. The two cup runs should have paid for a new training ground, instead I'm not quite sure where the money went. I assume to pay back Mark Lawn's loans, and that's not a criticism of Lawn because at least he was prepared to put his money in to push the club forward, he just didn't have the personal wealth to fund Championship spending. We now have an owner who does have the money- he's allegedly worth €150M- but he can't be fucked. Better-run clubs than us can't afford to be Championship clubs though. Look at Rotherham, a genuinely well run club that is stuck yo-yoing between L1 and the Championship. That's the trouble, the gap between L1 and the Championship is now as big, if not bigger, than the gap between the Championship and the PL. As for season tickets, our stadium holds 25,000 people. Our way forward is by filling it. Get kids in for a quid, fill the place. It's what Geoffrey Richmond did in the 96/97 Championship season, we struggled in our first season at the higher level but we generated excitement that kept us up and allowed the promotion season to happen. I don't think there's anything wrong with affordable tickets, we need 20,000 in our ground as a minimum to generate any sort of excitement. We could whack season tickets up to £400 or £500 sure, but would that actually generate any more money? Doubt it. And sitting in VP with a crowd of 5000 would be even more depressing than it is now. Agree with most of that. Just the moment's gone. 4 years of awful home results and performances with boring bastard managers has set in rot that is going to struggle to attract new fans. The thing is, we didn't even need to put prices up that much when things were better - £50 over a year or two x 10,000 adult fans is a lot of extra cash. It's telling in that no other club kept cheap STs as a long term move. And were in a position now where it's the standard.
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Post by hobbes on Feb 25, 2023 12:50:28 GMT
Meanwhile Sunderland and Coventry are currently playing in a top 10 Championship clash live on Sky. Both clubs hit their own rock bottom and are now back up where they probably belong.
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