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Post by Hobhead on May 21, 2017 9:47:06 GMT
Not going up is a kick in the bollocks but it's not all bad. While it might be a shitty league next year and League One will be geographically worse there are plus points.
1. Were we ready anyway? - I honestly feel it was too early for us to go up as we never really looked a strong side in League One. Sure we've dominated teams and never been out of the play offs since very early on in the season but can we honestly say we've ever really looked a force? We can play well in fits and starts but it rarely, if ever, all comes together. We've ground out too many results, drawn far too many and lost points that should have been in the bag. It just never felt like a promotion season to me. We need to become a more powerful side and leave ourselves less to do if and when we do go up.
2. Squad/Player Quality - We've got some good players and some real potential but the closest thing we have to a star man isn't ours. The quality of our squad, although decent, just isn't good enough for me. We've got some real dross too that ultimately is unlikely to be hauled up a league by others. Players like Dieng, Clarke and latterly Law have been desperately below par and a side gunning for promotion can only carry so much deadweight. We also have players who it wouldn't be too hard to improve on (McMahon, Doyle maybe even Hiwula) and another year down in League One will give us the opportunity to do this.
3. Potential - We have players in our squad for whom promotion may have been a bridge too far and, contrarily, going up could have been detrimental to their progress. Players like Wyke and Jones will both benefit from another season's development in League One as well as the chance to develop their partnership. Our 'unknowns' such as Hanson will get more of a chance to establish themselves and possibly become a star. Also the likes of Devine would have been finished here if we were promoted and he's a very promising player.
4. Crowds - A better campaign next year and promotion in our own right plus the lack of need to sell season tickets in a week (due to McCall leaving) could see us make it to Mason's teamtwenty hashtag bollocks. Going up on the crest of a wave rather than by the skin of our teeth needs to be the aim next season.
5. Money - Will there be an investment from the new owners? I don't know but it's much more likely now than it was this season. Their feet are under the table, they've got a feel for the club, the league, the standard and the financials so they know now what it will take. I'm convinced they won't be throwing cash around but if a player becomes available and they think he's the right quality, price and potential then I think they'll invest. We've had the time now to identify these players so I can see the odd transfer fee being paid in the summer. Going up a league would have left them with too much to do too soon I think.
6. Buggery - With all of the above in mind, there's a strong likelihood we'd have spent much of next season on the receiving end of some horrific bummings - no lube. Our squad needs a lot of work this year, had we gone up it would have needed pretty much wholesale changes which, realistically, it wasn't going to get. We'd have been carrying too many players who weren't up to that standard and watching sides like Leeds and (possibly) Hudders taking advantage of our vulnerabilities wouldn't have made for pleasant viewing. Going up next time but stronger is our best hope avoiding such regular, non-consensual anal violations. It's like doing weights and MMA before prison. Kind of.
7. McCall - If he is to leave and the rumours are true about the behind the scenes spats then maybe it's best if he does go. There's only one winner in a manager/chairman dispute and if he's not happy playing by Rahic's rules then he's going to go sooner or later. Discord is never going to work in a team's favour. Getting in a manager who understands the system and, more importantly, is happy to work within it is key for the whole continental system to work. I'll be sad to see McCall go simply because it's McCall but removing the sentiment and, as much as I wanted him to succeed, I have to admit that I don't really rate him as a manager. What price a continental coach next season?
8. I forget - there was a eighth but I've forgotten it. If it comes back to me I'll add it later.
In short, I honestly think that a building of momentum and a more assured promotion campaign will stand us in better stead in the long run. It might sting a little now but it'll be worth it in time - short term pain for long term gain.
Sorry if this is all a bit parkbantam/OnSide in its positivity but I genuinely can see an upside. If it works that is.
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Post by Hoochy on May 21, 2017 10:17:42 GMT
Go and have a wank mate.
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Post by Hobhead on May 21, 2017 10:21:21 GMT
I've got to admit, that stung a little. Have a care, Hooch. Words wound you know. And I've got a bad back.
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Post by Neshead on May 21, 2017 10:38:58 GMT
Not going up is a kick in the bollocks but it's not all bad. While it might be a shitty league next year and League One will be geographically worse there are plus points. 1. Were we ready anyway? - I honestly feel it was too early for us to go up as we never really looked a strong side in League One. Sure we've dominated teams and never been out of the play offs since very early on in the season but can we honestly say we've ever really looked a force? We can play well in fits and starts but it rarely, if ever, all comes together. We've ground out too many results, drawn far too many and lost points that should have been in the bag. It just never felt like a promotion season to me. We need to become a more powerful side and leave ourselves less to do if and when we do go up. 2. Squad/Player Quality - We've got some good players and some real potential but the closest thing we have to a star man isn't ours. The quality of our squad, although decent, just isn't good enough for me. We've got some real dross too that ultimately is unlikely to be hauled up a league by others. Players like Dieng, Clarke and latterly Law have been desperately below par and a side gunning for promotion can only carry so much deadweight. We also have players who it wouldn't be too hard to improve on (McMahon, Doyle maybe even Hiwula) and another year down in League One will give us the opportunity to do this. 3. Potential - We have players in our squad for whom promotion may have been a bridge too far and, contrarily, going up could have been detrimental to their progress. Players like Wyke and Jones will both benefit from another season's development in League One as well as the chance to develop their partnership. Our 'unknowns' such as Hanson will get more of a chance to establish themselves and possibly become a star. Also the likes of Devine would have been finished here if we were promoted and he's a very promising player. 4. Crowds - A better campaign next year and promotion in our own right plus the lack of need to sell season tickets in a week (due to McCall leaving) could see us make it to Mason's teamtwenty hashtag bollocks. Going up on the crest of a wave rather than by the skin of our teeth needs to be the aim next season. 5. Money - Will there be an investment from the new owners? I don't know but it's much more likely now than it was this season. Their feet are under the table, they've got a feel for the club, the league, the standard and the financials so they know now what it will take. I'm convinced they won't be throwing cash around but if a player becomes available and they think he's the right quality, price and potential then I think they'll invest. We've had the time now to identify these players so I can see the odd transfer fee being paid in the summer. Going up a league would have left them with too much to do too soon I think. 6. Buggery - With all of the above in mind, there's a strong likelihood we'd have spent much of next season on the receiving end of some horrific bummings - no lube. Our squad needs a lot of work this year, had we gone up it would have needed pretty much wholesale changes which, realistically, it wasn't going to get. We'd have been carrying too many players who weren't up to that standard and watching sides like Leeds and (possibly) Hudders taking advantage of our vulnerabilities wouldn't have made for pleasant viewing. Going up next time but stronger is our best hope avoiding such regular, non-consensual anal violations. It's like doing weights and MMA before prison. Kind of. 7. McCall - If he is to leave and the rumours are true about the behind the scenes spats then maybe it's best if he does go. There's only one winner in a manager/chairman dispute and if he's not happy playing by Rahic's rules then he's going to go sooner or later. Discord is never going to work in a team's favour. Getting in a manager who understands the system and, more importantly, is happy to work within it is key for the whole continental system to work. I'll be sad to see McCall go simply because it's McCall but removing the sentiment and, as much as I wanted him to succeed, I have to admit that I don't really rate him as a manager. What price a continental coach next season? 8. I forget - there was a eighth but I've forgotten it. If it comes back to me I'll add it later. In short, I honestly think that a building of momentum and a more assured promotion campaign will stand us in better stead in the long run. It might sting a little now but it'll be worth it in time - short term pain for long term gain. Sorry if this is all a bit parkbantam/OnSide in its positivity but I genuinely can see an upside. If it works that is. I remember the time when the The Cows Arse founder was a man of principal and integrity. Now in his latter years, the onset of gomperism fastly approaching. Its like Tommy Robinson leaving the EDL all over again....
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Post by Hobhead on May 21, 2017 10:41:00 GMT
Here I am trying to perk you all up and all I get is abuse. Well fuck the lot of you, I'm on posting strike for the next five minutes.
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Post by Neshead on May 21, 2017 10:42:52 GMT
Here I am trying to perk you all up and all I get is abuse. Well fuck the lot of you, I'm on posting strike for the next five minutes. I don't even know what you wrote, i never got past the "it's not all bad" part.......
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on May 21, 2017 10:47:31 GMT
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Post by Hobhead on May 21, 2017 10:54:04 GMT
Here I am trying to perk you all up and all I get is abuse. Well fuck the lot of you, I'm on posting strike for the next five minutes. I don't even know what you wrote, i never got past the "it's not all bad" part....... I'm being philosophical. When we piss this league crushing all before us next season then you'll see.
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Post by Neshead on May 21, 2017 10:59:09 GMT
I don't even know what you wrote, i never got past the "it's not all bad" part....... I'm being philosophical. When we piss this league crushing all before us next season then you'll see. I'm joking i did read it, just not feeling any positive vibes at all about next season, probably cos i'm still fucked off from what was a managerial fuck up yesterday. At least my lad has come round, he was in bits yesterday. Big thanks to ricc and the lads we sit with for consoling him after the game, a really nice thing to do. Did i tell you i'm still fucked off with football, i might not have mentioned it online.....
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Post by Hobhead on May 21, 2017 11:06:25 GMT
I'm being philosophical. When we piss this league crushing all before us next season then you'll see. I'm joking i did read it, just not feeling any positive vibes at all about next season, probably cos i'm still fucked off from what was a managerial fuck up yesterday. At least my lad has come round, he was in bits yesterday. Big thanks to ricc and the lads we sit with for consoling him after the game, a really nice thing to do. Did i tell you i'm still fucked off with football, i might not have mentioned it online..... There were a number of mistakes McCall made yesterday and we were hamstrung from the off. The obvious ones were the continued selections of Clarke and Law and the frustrating thing was that everyone could see those. The one thing that's stopping me from being overly pissed off is that I'm in the Bob Fossil camp in that I've never felt like this was our year and expected nothing. On that note has anybody else got the sense that there was a general lack of belief around VP this year? It just felt unconvincing all season.
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Post by Lofty on May 21, 2017 11:31:06 GMT
@hobhead I'm with you brother. Agree with all you said.
Added to the fact I was listening to 'My Heart Will Go On" and masturbating furiously just made it all the better.
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Post by bantam147 on May 21, 2017 15:22:45 GMT
Agree with all of that Hobby. That particular line about going up on the crest of a wave rather than by the skin of our teeth is one that chimes with me.
We're going to need some rework in the summer. we have a much better starting position than last year but I have this nagging feeling that we could struggle next season.
If we're serious about establishing ourselves as a championship side then we should get ambitious in the summer and build a side that can push for the top 2. Fuck the playoffs, they should be a fall back position only. I'm not talking about paying high wages to aging names, I mean let's go and sign some players of real quality. Because if it's shit, then many of those 19k won't be renewing. NOW is the time to really go for it. And I'll be honest, if they don't have the means to put the extra in needed at this level then going up to the championship would be pointless anyway.
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Post by Nice boy on May 21, 2017 16:10:09 GMT
The dick pics didn't work so you are now posting positive in an attempt to win OnSide back. I like it. @hobhead
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Post by Hobhead on May 21, 2017 16:17:03 GMT
The dick pics didn't work so you are now posting positive in an attempt to win OnSide back. I like it. @hobhead There are no depths I won't stoop to in the pursuit of the old vertical bacon sandwich.
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Post by bantamingreece on May 26, 2017 15:36:35 GMT
Not going up is a kick in the bollocks but it's not all bad. While it might be a shitty league next year and League One will be geographically worse there are plus points. 1. Were we ready anyway? - I honestly feel it was too early for us to go up as we never really looked a strong side in League One. Sure we've dominated teams and never been out of the play offs since very early on in the season but can we honestly say we've ever really looked a force? We can play well in fits and starts but it rarely, if ever, all comes together. We've ground out too many results, drawn far too many and lost points that should have been in the bag. It just never felt like a promotion season to me. We need to become a more powerful side and leave ourselves less to do if and when we do go up. 2. Squad/Player Quality - We've got some good players and some real potential but the closest thing we have to a star man isn't ours. The quality of our squad, although decent, just isn't good enough for me. We've got some real dross too that ultimately is unlikely to be hauled up a league by others. Players like Dieng, Clarke and latterly Law have been desperately below par and a side gunning for promotion can only carry so much deadweight. We also have players who it wouldn't be too hard to improve on (McMahon, Doyle maybe even Hiwula) and another year down in League One will give us the opportunity to do this. 3. Potential - We have players in our squad for whom promotion may have been a bridge too far and, contrarily, going up could have been detrimental to their progress. Players like Wyke and Jones will both benefit from another season's development in League One as well as the chance to develop their partnership. Our 'unknowns' such as Hanson will get more of a chance to establish themselves and possibly become a star. Also the likes of Devine would have been finished here if we were promoted and he's a very promising player. 4. Crowds - A better campaign next year and promotion in our own right plus the lack of need to sell season tickets in a week (due to McCall leaving) could see us make it to Mason's teamtwenty hashtag bollocks. Going up on the crest of a wave rather than by the skin of our teeth needs to be the aim next season. 5. Money - Will there be an investment from the new owners? I don't know but it's much more likely now than it was this season. Their feet are under the table, they've got a feel for the club, the league, the standard and the financials so they know now what it will take. I'm convinced they won't be throwing cash around but if a player becomes available and they think he's the right quality, price and potential then I think they'll invest. We've had the time now to identify these players so I can see the odd transfer fee being paid in the summer. Going up a league would have left them with too much to do too soon I think. 6. Buggery - With all of the above in mind, there's a strong likelihood we'd have spent much of next season on the receiving end of some horrific bummings - no lube. Our squad needs a lot of work this year, had we gone up it would have needed pretty much wholesale changes which, realistically, it wasn't going to get. We'd have been carrying too many players who weren't up to that standard and watching sides like Leeds and (possibly) Hudders taking advantage of our vulnerabilities wouldn't have made for pleasant viewing. Going up next time but stronger is our best hope avoiding such regular, non-consensual anal violations. It's like doing weights and MMA before prison. Kind of. 7. McCall - If he is to leave and the rumours are true about the behind the scenes spats then maybe it's best if he does go. There's only one winner in a manager/chairman dispute and if he's not happy playing by Rahic's rules then he's going to go sooner or later. Discord is never going to work in a team's favour. Getting in a manager who understands the system and, more importantly, is happy to work within it is key for the whole continental system to work. I'll be sad to see McCall go simply because it's McCall but removing the sentiment and, as much as I wanted him to succeed, I have to admit that I don't really rate him as a manager. What price a continental coach next season?8. I forget - there was a eighth but I've forgotten it. If it comes back to me I'll add it later. In short, I honestly think that a building of momentum and a more assured promotion campaign will stand us in better stead in the long run. It might sting a little now but it'll be worth it in time - short term pain for long term gain. Sorry if this is all a bit parkbantam/OnSide in its positivity but I genuinely can see an upside. If it works that is.
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Post by bantamingreece on May 26, 2017 15:46:03 GMT
Agree completely with item 7, HH.
What cheesed me off about McCall at Wembley was the fact that it was a one off "win-lose" game. A draw doesn't get you another bloody point and while we played some nice football, where the hell did it get us?? Nowhere, hardly an attempt at goal except for Billy Clarke's so called 'attempt' So why the hell did McCall insist on playing (once again) Wyke as a lone striker? All this does, as proved in the past, is make Wyke look anonymous. What did he do at Wembley? Hardly noticeable compared to the Gregory/Morison combination. Sod playing Clarke behind Wyke - get another striker alongside the man, he'll score goals again then.
Sorry mate but like you, even though we got to the play-off's, we need a manager with more balls.
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Post by Nice boy on May 26, 2017 16:34:00 GMT
Agree completely with item 7, HH. What cheesed me off about McCall at Wembley was the fact that it was a one off "win-lose" game. A draw doesn't get you another bloody point and while we played some nice football, where the hell did it get us?? Nowhere, hardly an attempt at goal except for Billy Clarke's so called 'attempt' So why the hell did McCall insist on playing (once again) Wyke as a lone striker? All this does, as proved in the past, is make Wyke look anonymous. What did he do at Wembley? Hardly noticeable compared to the Gregory/Morison combination. Sod playing Clarke behind Wyke - get another striker alongside the man, he'll score goals again then. Sorry mate but like you, even though we got to the play-off's, we need a manager with more balls. I quite like McCall as a manager but agree with you completley. Tactically, he got a lot of things wrong in the playoff final.
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Post by Neshead on May 26, 2017 17:56:35 GMT
Agree completely with item 7, HH. What cheesed me off about McCall at Wembley was the fact that it was a one off "win-lose" game. A draw doesn't get you another bloody point and while we played some nice football, where the hell did it get us?? Nowhere, hardly an attempt at goal except for Billy Clarke's so called 'attempt' So why the hell did McCall insist on playing (once again) Wyke as a lone striker? All this does, as proved in the past, is make Wyke look anonymous. What did he do at Wembley? Hardly noticeable compared to the Gregory/Morison combination. Sod playing Clarke behind Wyke - get another striker alongside the man, he'll score goals again then. Sorry mate but like you, even though we got to the play-off's, we need a manager with more balls. We might not get another chance like that one for years, it was there on a plate for us. Millwall were a very average side yet we worried more about them than our own tactics. They didn't change their tactics from the ones they've played all season but McCall HAD to come up with something different. We never really turned up.
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Post by Hobhead on May 26, 2017 18:07:05 GMT
Agree completely with item 7, HH. What cheesed me off about McCall at Wembley was the fact that it was a one off "win-lose" game. A draw doesn't get you another bloody point and while we played some nice football, where the hell did it get us?? Nowhere, hardly an attempt at goal except for Billy Clarke's so called 'attempt' So why the hell did McCall insist on playing (once again) Wyke as a lone striker? All this does, as proved in the past, is make Wyke look anonymous. What did he do at Wembley? Hardly noticeable compared to the Gregory/Morison combination. Sod playing Clarke behind Wyke - get another striker alongside the man, he'll score goals again then. Sorry mate but like you, even though we got to the play-off's, we need a manager with more balls. It's something of a cleft stick for me. Anyone who doesn't like McCall knows nothing about character; the guy strikes me as being about as honest and decent a bloke as you could wish to meet. Who wouldn't want a guy of such impeccable character, who loves the same club as we all do and is the archetypal club legend to succeed? McCall's character, honesty and instinctively candid nature are what make his interviews so interesting. In short, if you're a City fan and you don't love Stuart then there's something gone awry in your City education. Sadly, desperately wanting him to succeed and him having the ability to succeed are two different things. I'm not convinced he's anything like a master tactician, he worries too much about the opposition, loves a cautious midfield and he has an annoying habit of picking favourites regardless of form. If he does stick around I hope to fuck he makes a roaring success of it. One of our own, making it good as manager? Yes please. Will it actually happen? I'm less convinced.
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Post by bantam147 on May 26, 2017 19:55:48 GMT
Let's be honest, with a handful of exceptions, to be a successful manager you need to be a bit of a cunt...
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