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Post by bantam147 on May 22, 2021 14:33:52 GMT
It doesn’t seem to be getting much press attention, but over the last week since fans were allowed back into grounds, I swear that most of the games I’ve watched have seen the crowds boo when the players take the knee. Is it just me imagining it or has anyone else picked up on it?
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Post by Lofty on May 22, 2021 15:15:02 GMT
It doesn’t seem to be getting much press attention, but over the last week since fans were allowed back into grounds, I swear that most of the games I’ve watched have seen the crowds boo when the players take the knee. Is it just me imagining it or has anyone else picked up on it? Yep a definite trend. I imagine it'll be phased out next season.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on May 25, 2021 10:37:51 GMT
They should 'take the knee' wearing 56 hoodies for double morality points.
That'll show the plebs just how much better Marxist activists are than they are. Take that racists!
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Post by bantam147 on May 25, 2021 10:52:12 GMT
Happened again on the final day at a few prem games. Getting no media time though.
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Post by hobbes on May 25, 2021 15:07:12 GMT
I've no problem with the taking the knee. It seems to me to have become solely related to the players themselves and the racism they face, but clearly some fans feel its more widely "political". If the players ARE doing it relative to football itself I think its fair enough.
I don't think it will change anything, certainly won't stop racists being racist, but unless you are actually racist I can't imagine why you'd boo it. I sincerely doubt that there's a socio-political discourse regarding marxism in the modern world going on building up to kick off. Bunch of fucking onion picklers.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on May 25, 2021 15:50:19 GMT
The problem is when it stops being about promoting equality and just becomes political grandstanding by privileged (mainly white) activists using black people as political pawns. You could also argue ramming it down peoples throats every game for months on end actually damages, cheapens and dilutes the original cause. A bit like people who put big plastic poppies on the front of their cars 365 days a year. Or selling '56' mugs.
The organisation BLM is dubious to say the least plus i think 'taking the knee' could be interpreted as an act of submission rather than equality.
While i'm sure the average football fan isn't clued up on the intricacies of Marxism, i think most intuitively know the difference between virtue signalling and legitimately raising awareness. Hence the resistance and booing. Although some will doubtless be genuinely racist. But most are just ordinary people who are fed up of being preached too like 5 yr olds who don't know the difference between right and wrong.
Its worth noting that much of the resistance to 'taking the knee' has come from within the black community itself.
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Post by bantam147 on May 25, 2021 17:57:38 GMT
I've no problem with the taking the knee. It seems to me to have become solely related to the players themselves and the racism they face, but clearly some fans feel its more widely "political". If the players ARE doing it relative to football itself I think its fair enough. I don't think it will change anything, certainly won't stop racists being racist, but unless you are actually racist I can't imagine why you'd boo it. I sincerely doubt that there's a socio-political discourse regarding marxism in the modern world going on building up to kick off. Bunch of fucking onion picklers. I can see reasons why people would boo. A big issue with the anti racism sentiment of BLM is the overlap with the organisation BLM, to which many people will take issue given aspects of their manifesto. Maybe some people have had enough of all aspects of life being portrayed through some form of a social injustice lens, or maybe people just don't believe football is the place for social, cultural or political statements to be made - maybe people just want to escape from their everyday life and watch a bit of football.
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Post by hobbes on May 25, 2021 22:31:42 GMT
I've no problem with the taking the knee. It seems to me to have become solely related to the players themselves and the racism they face, but clearly some fans feel its more widely "political". If the players ARE doing it relative to football itself I think its fair enough. I don't think it will change anything, certainly won't stop racists being racist, but unless you are actually racist I can't imagine why you'd boo it. I sincerely doubt that there's a socio-political discourse regarding marxism in the modern world going on building up to kick off. Bunch of fucking onion picklers. I can see reasons why people would boo. A big issue with the anti racism sentiment of BLM is the overlap with the organisation BLM, to which many people will take issue given aspects of their manifesto. Maybe some people have had enough of all aspects of life being portrayed through some form of a social injustice lens, or maybe people just don't believe football is the place for social, cultural or political statements to be made - maybe people just want to escape from their everyday life and watch a bit of football. I agree with that. I guess the point I’m making is you’d have to feel pretty strongly to boo what is essentially a message of solidarity. You know, as opposed to just tutting.
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Post by Dick on May 26, 2021 11:04:18 GMT
I think it's also the fact it's the Americanisation influence/cultural element that some people don't like. I get racism is a problem, I'll get I'll never understand the prejudice a black or asian person might have even though I'm not 100% white British myself, and I get there's a lot of seemingly innocent but subconscious racism in a lot of people who claim not to be racist.
It like, all the horrors that happen all over the world. I know you can't think about them all or help everyone, but there's a lot of wrong in the world, and so much of it gets brushed aside - but because this was America and not some smelly country where life is cheap anyway people have no-interest in it.
I work in an old fashioned public sector organisation. The knee jerk, sledgehammer to a nut reaction from the old white men in charge to the Floyd murder last year was ridiculous. It was almost like a case of Stalin's Terror where they tried to look for any threat of racism through the ranks
Examples -
A purge of the website in terms of non-diverse images. We said the thing is and every time we do a photo shoot the 'models' are (the same) members of staff - they won't give us a penny to spend on models from agencies. Other than press-gang the BAME staff here there's fuck all else we can do about.
One of the main corporate documents we did recently was deemed 'not diverse enough' in terms of people images. We said 8 out of the 15 images of people were what you call diverse (BAME, disabled).
Hiring managers such as myself were told we had to make sure diverse communities and channels were approached for future recruitment - with no budget to do so. Our job ads have to go on out on where it's free - our website, social media etc. We can't even advertise on specialist channels for specific technical roles.
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Post by bantam147 on May 29, 2021 19:01:46 GMT
Happened again, CL final
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Post by edin on May 29, 2021 22:34:20 GMT
BT playing fake applause over it getting booed
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on May 31, 2021 7:30:20 GMT
BT playing fake applause over it getting booed You could hear it really clearly I thought
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Post by tetchyarse on May 31, 2021 8:06:14 GMT
Chelsea fans booing an anti-racism message.
Shocked, I am. Shocked.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on May 31, 2021 11:26:44 GMT
I went to watch the Bulls yesterday (yes yes i know i know but it got me out of the house for a bit)
The did the 'taking the knee' thing but only a handful of players actually kneeled. Their was a fair few boos and grumbles from the west terrace mutants too...
To me it just seems like a viscous circle. The more people resist, the more the cultists want to 're educate' people who don't share their beliefs. Which in turn just antagonises people more.
The only people who benefit are rich activists and their corporate sponsors. As well as genuine racists who use it as ammo.
It'll end in tears
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Post by bantam147 on Jun 3, 2021 11:27:35 GMT
And again before the England game last night.
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Post by tommycairns on Jul 21, 2021 2:07:03 GMT
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Post by edin on Jul 21, 2021 8:26:32 GMT
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