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Post by hobbes on May 6, 2021 20:39:46 GMT
Trouble is, with an half-empty ground you just buy a seat in the cheap bit and move to an empty seat in the expensive bit. Who's going to stop you? Even on a really good day we have 10,000 empty seats to choose from. It's not like in the Premier League days when the tiered prices worked. I used to sit bang middle bottom tier Kop and paid more for it, but it's not like there were any spare seats. Stick the cheap tickets in the Bradford end and they can’t move. They get their low cost football and you can do more expensive things in the rest of the ground. Bang on that. And bottom of NW corner.
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Post by Neshead on May 6, 2021 20:54:13 GMT
Problem with that mindset is as a business to move forward the £149 across the board limits our potential income. If money isn't the issue then make season tickets £100. Most clubs in this league get 5000 on a good day, and when we were charging more we were getting 5000 too. If we'd stuck a fiver or a tenner a year on them then nobody would really notice, but to go from £149 to, say, £225 or £250 is a big jump. A big jump will make people reconsider buying one in a way a tenner wouldn't, even those who have the money would think twice. Selling 12,000 at £150 nets us £1.8m before tax, on-costs, etc. At £200 we'd have to sell 9000 to make the same amount of money. If £50 puts off 3000 people then we may as well have not bothered, or we might even lose money if some of those 3000 would have bought a pie or a programme. Tranmere charge £350 and have about 4500 season ticket holders, so they get less money in than we do despite charging a lot more. Which is why I think our issues are more about the fact we waste money on shit than the fact our tickets are too cheap. We would not lose 3,000 fans for the sake of £50, we'd lose those 3,000 because the football is shit. And if those 3,000 didn't renew because of a £50 increase then they sure as hell ain't gonna spend anything on over priced food and merchandise.
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Post by hobbes on May 6, 2021 20:59:44 GMT
You should tweet that m9
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Post by Hoochy on May 6, 2021 21:07:09 GMT
Stick the cheap tickets in the Bradford end and they can’t move. They get their low cost football and you can do more expensive things in the rest of the ground. Bang on that. And bottom of NW corner. Oi, mouth. No riff-raff or mutants in the NW.
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Post by Hobhead on May 7, 2021 6:04:17 GMT
We would not lose 3,000 fans for the sake of £50, we'd lose those 3,000 because the football is shit. And if those 3,000 didn't renew because of a £50 increase then they sure as hell ain't gonna spend anything on over priced food and merchandise. What about the twin effect of shit football and price rises? I’m all for price rises, the cheap tickets should have (at the very least) been linked to inflation from the off, but getting the timing right makes a huge difference. Personally I’d go with a small rise for the coming season and use our performance in it as a fillip for a genuine increase for the season after. If Sparks isn’t confident of moving us on in such a way as to at least limit a drop in the numbers but hopefully increase them on the back of it then he’s in the wrong position. It’s standard procedure to improve your product before increasing your asking price over and above inflation. We’re asking for more money for nothing more than a hint of hope in return and we’re asking it of a fanbase that’s tired, bored and cynical.
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Post by Neshead on May 7, 2021 7:18:36 GMT
We would not lose 3,000 fans for the sake of £50, we'd lose those 3,000 because the football is shit. And if those 3,000 didn't renew because of a £50 increase then they sure as hell ain't gonna spend anything on over priced food and merchandise. What about the twin effect of shit football and price rises? I’m all for price rises, the cheap tickets should have (at the very least) been linked to inflation from the off, but getting the timing right makes a huge difference. Personally I’d go with a small rise for the coming season and use our performance in it as a fillip for a genuine increase for the season after. If Sparks isn’t confident of moving us on in such a way as to at least limit a drop in the numbers but hopefully increase them on the back of it then he’s in the wrong position. It’s standard procedure to improve your product before increasing your asking price over and above inflation. We’re asking for more money for nothing more than a hint of hope in return and we’re asking it of a fanbase that’s tired, bored and cynical. Oh I completely agree, no business in the world would dare whack their prices up when the product is shit. We should have done it when doing well in league 1 but Rhodes was obsessed with his little baby he'd invented, the bringer of cheap football to the masses. The same problem comes with any product where the cheapen the brand, its very hard to put the price up. I guarantee you even if we got in the championship a large percentage of our fan base would argu we should keep tickets at £149, it's like a fucking millstone around our necks but they see it as a badge of honour.
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Post by mikehunt on May 7, 2021 7:33:47 GMT
We would not lose 3,000 fans for the sake of £50, we'd lose those 3,000 because the football is shit. And if those 3,000 didn't renew because of a £50 increase then they sure as hell ain't gonna spend anything on over priced food and merchandise. What about the twin effect of shit football and price rises? I’m all for price rises, the cheap tickets should have (at the very least) been linked to inflation from the off, but getting the timing right makes a huge difference. Personally I’d go with a small rise for the coming season and use our performance in it as a fillip for a genuine increase for the season after. If Sparks isn’t confident of moving us on in such a way as to at least limit a drop in the numbers but hopefully increase them on the back of it then he’s in the wrong position. It’s standard procedure to improve your product before increasing your asking price over and above inflation. We’re asking for more money for nothing more than a hint of hope in return and we’re asking it of a fanbase that’s tired, bored and cynical. You could be radical and say £250, make the play offs but don’t go up gets you 10% off next season, top half but no play offs you get 20% off next season and bottom half gets you 40% off next season, so it’s £150 again. Incentive for all to do well, players will be on a promotion bonus, fans are on a non promotion rebate. Apres moi, la deluge as they say in Dieppe. Sparksy, if you do this, inbox me babez for my bank details for the commission.
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Post by tetchyarse on May 7, 2021 7:35:42 GMT
Most clubs in this league get 5000 on a good day, and when we were charging more we were getting 5000 too. If we'd stuck a fiver or a tenner a year on them then nobody would really notice, but to go from £149 to, say, £225 or £250 is a big jump. A big jump will make people reconsider buying one in a way a tenner wouldn't, even those who have the money would think twice. Selling 12,000 at £150 nets us £1.8m before tax, on-costs, etc. At £200 we'd have to sell 9000 to make the same amount of money. If £50 puts off 3000 people then we may as well have not bothered, or we might even lose money if some of those 3000 would have bought a pie or a programme. Tranmere charge £350 and have about 4500 season ticket holders, so they get less money in than we do despite charging a lot more. Which is why I think our issues are more about the fact we waste money on shit than the fact our tickets are too cheap. We would not lose 3,000 fans for the sake of £50, we'd lose those 3,000 because the football is shit. And if those 3,000 didn't renew because of a £50 increase then they sure as hell ain't gonna spend anything on over priced food and merchandise. I've long said we should have stuck a fiver or a tenner a year on the tickets and if we had they'd now be up to the £220 mark, which I think is a sensible price given we have such a big ground to fill. I think it's a bit of both. The football is shit- £149 to watch Evans is a ripoff- but a big price rise makes people think about whether they want to keep going. I'd stick a tenner on it this year with a view to sticking £30 or £40 on it a year later if we're winning.
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Post by Dick on May 7, 2021 7:36:57 GMT
Should have increased the prices anytime between 2013-16. Failure to do so and so break away from the cheap model we were trapped in was a colossal error and people called it at the time.
I don't know if I'll bother. Personal reasons aside, it's just a mugs game really. Something you waste half a Saturday doing in the hope you might win, and be entertained a bit - a theme we're not exactly familiar with.
It's become something you do once a week out of habit, like putting the bins out, rather than asking yourself if you're actually enjoying it.
I can take being shit, but being stagnant in L2 again doesn't appeal at all.
Not wanting to sound like one of those good day out types, but the day out is just shit - at least in L1 we had like Sheff Utd, Preston, Bolton filling the away ends and making the day and atmosphere around the city feel a bit spicy - Crawley Town, Barrow or Forest Green? Meh.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on May 7, 2021 11:34:55 GMT
One of the main reasons for getting a season ticket was to get first dibs on big cup/playoff/away games.
But neither of those look particularly probable while we're treading water at the arse end of professional football. Our cup record has been abysmal since the 2015 FA cup run. It seems like years since we've played a meaningful league game at the business end of a given season.
Unless you're a die hard fan renewing out of a sense of moral obligation, i struggle to see a compelling reason to buy a season ticket. I don't think an extra £50 or so will deter the die hards... but retaining current prices won't stop casuals from losing interest either. So they might as-well raise the prices for all i care.
My message to Rupp is either go 'all-in' and make a go of it, or politely wash your hands of us and take the hit now. Let a new owner have a crack at it. No point treading water 'plugging the deficit' every year while your investment erodes and withers away. You're just delaying the inevitable.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on May 7, 2021 12:32:26 GMT
One of the main reasons for getting a season ticket was to get first dibs on big cup/playoff/away games. But neither of those look particularly probable while we're treading water at the arse end of professional football. Our cup record has been abysmal since the 2015 FA cup run. It seems like years since we've played a meaningful league game at the business end of a given season. Unless you're a die hard fan renewing out of a sense of moral obligation, i struggle to see a compelling reason to buy a season ticket. I don't think an extra £50 or so will deter the die hards... but retaining current prices won't stop casuals from losing interest either. So they might as-well raise the prices for all i care. My message to Rupp is either go 'all-in' and make a go of it, or politely wash your hands of us and take the hit now. Let a new owner have a crack at it. No point treading water 'plugging the deficit' every year while your investment erodes and withers away. You're just delaying the inevitable. I moved away 10 years ago but I still did the 200 mile round trip paid all the fuel costs for every home game, still gone to probably 40% of all away games too. But as time goes by I no longer have the appetite to do all that due to how shocking this club has become and how poor the football on the pitch is. What's the point? I'm not overly old and lonely enough to need somewhere to go on a Saturday to see that shite, I don't need to use the home games as an excuse to go out with mates. I simply go to the games for the football, and this last 4 years has really turned me off. It's people like me who Sparks needs to convince, and so far he hasn't. He's done nothing yet that Rahic didn't do, it's not a slight on him it's just the truth. Not all Rahics plans were bad he just his arrogance get in the way. Before they announce season tickets and a price rise Sparks has to give us something to get behind. He can't just keep giving us soundbytes and I wanna do this and wanna do that. Show us this club is doing something show us we're trying to win the league show us he knows what he's doing and we all buy the tickets it's that easy
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Post by Dick on May 8, 2021 8:31:48 GMT
One of the main reasons for getting a season ticket was to get first dibs on big cup/playoff/away games. But neither of those look particularly probable while we're treading water at the arse end of professional football. Our cup record has been abysmal since the 2015 FA cup run. It seems like years since we've played a meaningful league game at the business end of a given season. Unless you're a die hard fan renewing out of a sense of moral obligation, i struggle to see a compelling reason to buy a season ticket. I don't think an extra £50 or so will deter the die hards... but retaining current prices won't stop casuals from losing interest either. So they might as-well raise the prices for all i care. My message to Rupp is either go 'all-in' and make a go of it, or politely wash your hands of us and take the hit now. Let a new owner have a crack at it. No point treading water 'plugging the deficit' every year while your investment erodes and withers away. You're just delaying the inevitable. I moved away 10 years ago but I still did the 200 mile round trip paid all the fuel costs for every home game, still gone to probably 40% of all away games too. But as time goes by I no longer have the appetite to do all that due to how shocking this club has become and how poor the football on the pitch is. What's the point? I'm not overly old and lonely enough to need somewhere to go on a Saturday to see that shite, I don't need to use the home games as an excuse to go out with mates. I simply go to the games for the football, and this last 4 years has really turned me off. It's people like me who Sparks needs to convince, and so far he hasn't. He's done nothing yet that Rahic didn't do, it's not a slight on him it's just the truth. Not all Rahics plans were bad he just his arrogance get in the way. Before they announce season tickets and a price rise Sparks has to give us something to get behind. He can't just keep giving us soundbytes and I wanna do this and wanna do that. Show us this club is doing something show us we're trying to win the league show us he knows what he's doing and we all buy the tickets it's that easy I like this. I was attracted during the mid 90s success period, from 2000-12 it was shit, it was better from 2013-17 and has been shit since. It's not going to attract new fans at the moment. I could take my 4 year old from August but probably won't as more of this season would put them straight off. The problem the club have they have fans like us who've been going for years who are becoming more CBA. A friend of the wife's owns a restaurant in Bradford, family run business. This friend used to get us to go there all the time, even though the food was crap and apart from our friend the family were rude as fuck to us, didn't even give us any kind of discount either, not saying we should get it for free, but give us a bit more salami on the pizza FFS. One day I said to the wife fuck it, I'm not going there anymore, the food is arse and we're treated like crap. She said we can't do that as it's so-and-so's business - I said, but it's shit and we just waste our time and money going there. So I stopped going. The point is, serve up enough shit in a shit environment for long enough and you'll turn off even the most emotionally attached, the ones who do it purely out of habit and you just risk pushing people to find something else to do on their day off.
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Post by Neshead on May 8, 2021 11:02:34 GMT
In the last 20 years we've had 4 years of decent enough football. In between that 4 years has been some of the most painful football ill ever witness. Let's blame BFG or summat.
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Post by edin on May 20, 2021 7:05:37 GMT
I'm guessing they're £175
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Post by Hoochy on May 20, 2021 9:26:21 GMT
I'm guessing they're £175 £180 I reckon. £15/month subscription.
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Post by Neshead on May 20, 2021 10:18:44 GMT
I'm guessing they're £175 £180 I reckon. £15/month subscription. Can't argue with that if it turns out that way.
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Post by Bacon on May 20, 2021 10:26:24 GMT
£180 I reckon. £15/month subscription. Can't argue with that if it turns out that way. I'd buy one on that basis.
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Post by edin on May 20, 2021 10:29:36 GMT
Can't argue with that if it turns out that way. I'd buy one on that basis. yeah my thought process is Ryan saying there's an increase, we are too shit to sell for £200 so I reckon they'll go for middle ground
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Post by Hobhead on May 20, 2021 10:55:45 GMT
A small increase right now is the smarter move in the long term. Show at least a little promise and they can increase again on the back of it. Right now there’s nothing much to buy in to.
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Post by Dick on May 21, 2021 7:56:08 GMT
Announced. £198 for adults. Big balls move for us and will piss off the ultra cheapskates.
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