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Post by Neshead on Mar 10, 2021 9:20:13 GMT
Gotta disagree, I don't like Clarke at all he's massively overrated, in his first spell he was ok not brilliant just ok. He's been shite ever since, 2 good halves this season I think and 0 in his 2nd spell. I don't know how people can't see his dog food made legs have gone and he offers zero to us. Sad thing is he will probably get a new contract due to him always being every managers and CEOs mate I’m saying pretty much the same thing. Clarke is shit but even then he’s got to be given the best chance of performing and we don’t do that by playing him on the right of a three. If it were up to me we wouldn’t play him at all though. This is a fair review of Clarke, certain players are free from criticism but Clarke gets pelters every week. Again played out of position last night, if Cooke is out that's where he should have played. Rowe played the Cooke role and did nothing. We either play Rowe upfront or not at all.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Mar 10, 2021 9:33:36 GMT
I’m saying pretty much the same thing. Clarke is shit but even then he’s got to be given the best chance of performing and we don’t do that by playing him on the right of a three. If it were up to me we wouldn’t play him at all though. This is a fair review of Clarke, certain players are free from criticism but Clarke gets pelters every week. Again played out of position last night, if Cooke is out that's where he should have played. Rowe played the Cooke role and did nothing. We either play Rowe upfront or not at all. Clarke gets pelters because he's wank. Others do get a free ride, Watt and Sutton have had good spells but are massively overrated and are lucky the club failed to recruit any competition for them. As you say Rowe isn't a 10, he just moves deep as a 9 to create space behind him to allow others to run into. Vernam has been poor these last few games too, this defeat has been coming and with a total lack of competition in midfield complacency has set in. On the plus side I've not seen a defence of ours like this since the Parkinson days, thought wood was back on form last night and I think if Cooke started we could have created more than we did and possibly have been long gone in the second half. But T&S have to figure this out now and we should trust them to do so but if we want to make the frame this season we need to get started again by winning these next 2.
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Post by Hobhead on Mar 10, 2021 9:34:06 GMT
I’m saying pretty much the same thing. Clarke is shit but even then he’s got to be given the best chance of performing and we don’t do that by playing him on the right of a three. If it were up to me we wouldn’t play him at all though. This is a fair review of Clarke, certain players are free from criticism but Clarke gets pelters every week. Again played out of position last night, if Cooke is out that's where he should have played. Rowe played the Cooke role and did nothing. We either play Rowe upfront or not at all. We played Clarke out of position to accommodate an out of position Rowe and were left wondering why the attack didn’t quite click. On Rowe I can’t decide whether he’s dropping deep by instinct or instruction. If it’s by instinct then we’re unlikely to change him now. If it’s by instruction then it’s a mistake.
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Post by Nice boy on Mar 10, 2021 10:51:03 GMT
The midfield still needs a bit of work. They are often slow and ponderous, and sometimes look incapable of passing the ball about for an extended period of time. That said, the blueprint is still there.
Our previous attacking options were Wood and Tyler French as fullbacks and the likes of Guthrie, Samuels and Donaldson bumbling around up front. No wonder we were heading for non league. Now? Rowe will frustrate the hell out of you but he’ll find that screamer or moment of brilliance out of nowhere. Verham may well prove to be inconsistent but he’s capable of unlocking defences and will be a match winner on his day. Crankshaw needs to improve but he still gets involved in the final 3rf. Cooke has been a different player in his new position and the other Cook looks as composed a finisher as I’ve seen in quite a while. The point is is that you can see how we’ve won, and will continue to win games under T & S. We’re no longer scratching our heads thinking where the next chance, never mind goal could possibly come from. Keep it tight at the back and we have players at the other end, who despite their deficiencies have made a massive difference to our fortunes.
A few tweaks in the summer and we’ll finish in the top 3.
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Post by Neshead on Mar 10, 2021 11:21:11 GMT
This is a fair review of Clarke, certain players are free from criticism but Clarke gets pelters every week. Again played out of position last night, if Cooke is out that's where he should have played. Rowe played the Cooke role and did nothing. We either play Rowe upfront or not at all. We played Clarke out of position to accommodate an out of position Rowe and were left wondering why the attack didn’t quite click. On Rowe I can’t decide whether he’s dropping deep by instinct or instruction. If it’s by instinct then we’re unlikely to change him now. If it’s by instruction then it’s a mistake. I'm guessing he was told to play the role Cooke did, Trueman admitted both Rowe and Cooke are probably number 9s in the paper this morning so it was probably a temporary measure which begs the question who gets first dibs on that 9 shirt.
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Post by Hobhead on Mar 10, 2021 11:32:28 GMT
We played Clarke out of position to accommodate an out of position Rowe and were left wondering why the attack didn’t quite click. On Rowe I can’t decide whether he’s dropping deep by instinct or instruction. If it’s by instinct then we’re unlikely to change him now. If it’s by instruction then it’s a mistake. I'm guessing he was told to play the role Cooke did, Trueman admitted both Rowe and Cooke are probably number 9s in the paper this morning so it was probably a temporary measure which begs the question who gets first dibs on that 9 shirt. Played as a proper forward I’d give it to the jug-eared tank.
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Post by Hobhead on Mar 10, 2021 12:36:16 GMT
This is a fair review of Clarke, certain players are free from criticism but Clarke gets pelters every week. One thing to factor into this is that the players who get a lot more leeway are generally younger players. There they have the potential to develop and become good players whereas at Clarke’s age his level of ability and contribution is likely to only be going one way and it won’t be coming back. A waning old pro is never going to get the same benefit of fan patience than a promising kid will and, although it might seem harsh, it’s not without logic. A kid you can look at and think he might be something one day, players of Clarke’s fading powers just seem to start cluttering the place up.
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Post by hobbes on Mar 10, 2021 13:36:10 GMT
Clarke's legs have gone completely. Did you see him trying to chase back in the first 10 minutes? Said to my lad, Clarke can still see the passes, but he can't make them. The one good ball to set Cook up in the first half apart, nothing he did came off. You could see what he'd tried to do, and it was usually the right thing to do, but he couldn't do it.
I don't see what others (Jizzle) see with Watt and Sutton, I think they're excellent, and will only improve with experience. Given there are no direct replacements for them it does us no harm them getting games under their belts and learning for next year. Obviously they're inconsistent, and Watt's corners are gash, but they bring an energy to midfield we've lacked for years.
Same goes with Cranky and Vernam, young wingers are always inconsistent, but both have pace to stretch the game. I thought Cranky was very good last night, Vernam not so much, those two long range shots he took when we had men in the box were really frustrating. The back five have been excellent and you do wonder if we could take more risks to kill games off with that insurance behind the attacking six.
I think we all agree though that Cooke in his current form is the main man if we're going to make the play offs this year. If not, we've got the basis of a title winning team if recruitment in the summer is as good as January. Much as I want to get out of this division as soon as possible, that's a mouthwatering possibility. Our fourth actual trophy in 118 years.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Mar 10, 2021 13:59:04 GMT
Clarke's legs have gone completely. Did you see him trying to chase back in the first 10 minutes? Said to my lad, Clarke can still see the passes, but he can't make them. The one good ball to set Cook up in the first half apart, nothing he did came off. You could see what he'd tried to do, and it was usually the right thing to do, but he couldn't do it. I don't see what others (Jizzle) see with Watt and Sutton, I think they're excellent, and will only improve with experience. Given there are no direct replacements for them it does us no harm them getting games under their belts and learning for next year. Obviously they're inconsistent, and Watt's corners are gash, but they bring an energy to midfield we've lacked for years. Same goes with Cranky and Vernam, young wingers are always inconsistent, but both have pace to stretch the game. I thought Cranky was very good last night, Vernam not so much, those two long range shots he took when we had men in the box were really frustrating. The back five have been excellent and you do wonder if we could take more risks to kill games off with that insurance behind the attacking six. I think we all agree though that Cooke in his current form is the main man if we're going to make the play offs this year. If not, we've got the basis of a title winning team if recruitment in the summer is as good as January. Much as I want to get out of this division as soon as possible, that's a mouthwatering possibility. Our fourth actual trophy in 118 years. The main problem I have with watt and Sutton is that there's no nouse there. They both have potential but 90% of Watts completed passes are to the keeper, he can't tackle without giving free kicks away and he constantly tries to be too Hollywood. Sutton is either all action or anonymous and gives the ball away far too much. Just like when I called out Paudies performances last season and the first 3 months of this one, they would both benefit by having an older matured head at the side of them. Look what happened to Paudie when Canavan came in. The midfield needs a general, Cooke Watt Sutton Evans Crankshaw Vernam Pritchard none of them are leaders. We have a lot of young heads in there and the failure to recruit that midfield general is there for all to see.
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Post by bantam147 on Mar 10, 2021 13:59:18 GMT
Watt could be excellent. Sutton is energetic and a nuisance, but he’ll be more than a decent L2/could be a squaddie in League 1. His choice and execution of pass too often lets him down.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Mar 10, 2021 14:01:06 GMT
If we do go up and Wigan come down I'd love to go balls out for Lee Evans, in that midfield role in this set up he'd be superb
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Post by Neshead on Mar 10, 2021 15:34:28 GMT
If we do go up and Wigan come down I'd love to go balls out for Lee Evans, in that midfield role in this set up he'd be superb Probably out of our league but I'd like to see us go for Billy Bodin at PNe. Hardly plays these days.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Mar 10, 2021 15:37:07 GMT
If we do go up and Wigan come down I'd love to go balls out for Lee Evans, in that midfield role in this set up he'd be superb Probably out of our league but I'd like to see us go for Billy Bodin at PNe. Hardly plays these days. He's always injured, I like him but he really is injury plagued.
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Post by Hobhead on Mar 10, 2021 18:52:23 GMT
Watt could be excellent. Sutton is energetic and a nuisance, but he’ll be more than a decent L2/could be a squaddie in League 1. His choice and execution of pass too often lets him down. Agree. Watt’s comfortably better than Sutton. I actually think Crankshaw could turn out the best of the lot. He’s got all the ability and a huge attacking drive. If he can pull it all together with a bit of experience of first team football he could be one of those players who get you out of your seat.
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Post by edin on Mar 10, 2021 21:35:52 GMT
If we do go up and Wigan come down I'd love to go balls out for Lee Evans, in that midfield role in this set up he'd be superb even if we stay down, balls out, good word by Crankshaw, get him in
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Post by hobbes on Mar 10, 2021 21:58:09 GMT
If we do go up and Wigan come down I'd love to go balls out for Lee Evans, in that midfield role in this set up he'd be superb Good shout. And I take your point about Watt & Sutton needing someone like that alongside them. I guess I was referring to right now rather than an ideal.
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Post by Hobhead on Mar 11, 2021 7:46:05 GMT
Am I the only one who doesn’t think this is a dive? To me it looks like he’s had an almighty swing at the ball, missed, made a cunt of himself and ended up on the deck. It’s not his fault the ref mistook it for a foul but it’s not a dive.
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Post by mikehunt on Mar 11, 2021 8:10:41 GMT
Am I the only one who doesn’t think this is a dive? To me it looks like he’s had an almighty swing at the ball, missed, made a cunt of himself and ended up on the deck. It’s not his fault the ref mistook it for a foul but it’s not a dive. No I thought exactly that at the time, how the ref missed it I have no idea.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Mar 11, 2021 10:09:50 GMT
Am I the only one who doesn’t think this is a dive? To me it looks like he’s had an almighty swing at the ball, missed, made a cunt of himself and ended up on the deck. It’s not his fault the ref mistook it for a foul but it’s not a dive. Agreed, but he was appealing as the bodies hit the floor. Appealing for a free kick you don’t deserve is kind of like diving I guess.
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Post by Hobhead on Mar 11, 2021 10:19:38 GMT
Agreed, but he was appealing as the bodies hit the floor. Appealing for a free kick you don’t deserve is kind of like diving I guess. It’s a fair point, it’s all cheating.
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