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Post by Hoochy on Feb 6, 2021 22:56:13 GMT
Looks like I can get it soon due to my heroic key worker status. I'll have it, fuck it, why not. Will you have it when you get the opportunity?
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Feb 6, 2021 23:31:28 GMT
Looks like I can get it soon due to my heroic key worker status. I'll have it, fuck it, why not. Will you have it when you get the opportunity? Is that the key worker job where you're never at work? You'll be back on strike 9th March screaming for more chocolate sauce on your lunchtime desserts...... lazy twats
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Post by Hoochy on Feb 6, 2021 23:35:30 GMT
Looks like I can get it soon due to my heroic key worker status. I'll have it, fuck it, why not. Will you have it when you get the opportunity? Is that the key worker job where you're never at work? You'll be back on strike 9th March screaming for more chocolate sauce on your lunchtime desserts...... lazy twats I'm at work every day you furlough twat. 🖕
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Feb 6, 2021 23:37:59 GMT
Is that the key worker job where you're never at work? You'll be back on strike 9th March screaming for more chocolate sauce on your lunchtime desserts...... lazy twats I'm at work every day you furlough twat. 🖕 Are you fuck, you might turn up but it's like last day of term, turn the tv on let them do what they want while you go on tinder and twat about on here. I've just done 8 months of 55 hour weeks unlike you glorified babysitters
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Post by Hobhead on Feb 7, 2021 0:38:45 GMT
I wouldn’t simply because statistically I don’t need it. If you were to twist my arm and force me to have it I’d take the Oxford one and avoid the RNA stuff.
I’m nowhere near anti-vax and think it’s an idiotic position to take but other people can be my guinea pig.
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Post by Hoochy on Feb 7, 2021 0:41:00 GMT
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Feb 7, 2021 13:12:18 GMT
Realistically I probably won’t be offered it, certainly not any time this year. This is probably the first new vaccine in my lifetime, and it feels a bit rushed which makes me a bit sceptical in any case.
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Post by jdc on Feb 7, 2021 14:05:38 GMT
I voted hit. This vaccine offers something a little different, and it's a bit quicker than Greg was.
On the speed of development, I'm not concerned. We've been studying coronaviruses for donkey's years (and SARS in 2002 and MERS in 2012 gave us a bit of extra motivation in recent years). Oxford had already produced a vaccine using an adenovirus to produce spike protein for the coronavirus that causes MERS, so their job was to tweak an existing vaccine for a coronavirus rather than make something from scratch.
What researchers have done: Phase I trials, Phase II trials, Phase III trials. What they haven't done: wasted years on recruiting participants and writing grant applications. The reason it's been faster than the normal process doesn't have anything to do with them conducting fewer trials, shorter trials, or less adequate trials. It's been because they had lots of willing volunteers to take part in trials and governments were throwing money at them to conduct those trials. There's also the point that regulators don't normally start looking at any data until the end of the process - this time they were conducting rolling reviews from the start, so they'd gone through the phase I data at the end of phase I trials and so on.
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Post by Lofty on Feb 7, 2021 16:23:49 GMT
No. Not because I'm ant-vax but like Arsehole said I don't need it. I don't get the flu jab for the same reason.
I'll take my chances getting COVID-19 and recovering from it within a few days.
Still amazes me how quickly so many vaccines have been developed and approved in such a short time.
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Post by jdc on Feb 7, 2021 16:48:31 GMT
No. Not because I'm ant-vax but like Arsehole said I don't need it. I don't get the flu jab for the same reason. I'll take my chances getting COVID-19 and recovering from it within a few days. Still amazes me how quickly so many vaccines have been developed and approved in such a short time. What makes you think you'd recover after a few days? You're not particularly likely to die but even for mild to moderate cases there's a chance it'll fuck your lungs or cause other long-term complications. It can take weeks rather than days to properly get over flu, it's a nastier disease than people realise, and it's not as bad as covid. I get the flu vaccine so I don't have to feel sick as a dog for a week followed by weeks of getting over the effects and I'll be getting my covid vaccine. Gambling that you're going to be in the group that has no symptoms or a mild case with no after effects is risky. And none of you are getting any younger - it's only going to get riskier. It surprised me how quickly they'd managed to develop and approve the vaccines too - until I'd read about how they'd managed it.
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Post by claw on Feb 7, 2021 17:09:44 GMT
I’ve had it, last October, my lungs are still fucked now, not in a major way, I’m blowing out of my arse if I run up the stairs, do something strenuous at work or walk the dog etc, that didn’t happen before. I’m not preaching here, just saying.
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Post by claw on Feb 7, 2021 17:13:56 GMT
The risks that come with getting COVID are far greater than the risks of complications from the vaccine, many times over, for me anyway.
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Post by Lofty on Feb 7, 2021 18:15:01 GMT
No. Not because I'm ant-vax but like Arsehole said I don't need it. I don't get the flu jab for the same reason. I'll take my chances getting COVID-19 and recovering from it within a few days. Still amazes me how quickly so many vaccines have been developed and approved in such a short time. What makes you think you'd recover after a few days? You're not particularly likely to die but even for mild to moderate cases there's a chance it'll fuck your lungs or cause other long-term complications. It can take weeks rather than days to properly get over flu, it's a nastier disease than people realise, and it's not as bad as covid. I get the flu vaccine so I don't have to feel sick as a dog for a week followed by weeks of getting over the effects and I'll be getting my covid vaccine. Gambling that you're going to be in the group that has no symptoms or a mild case with no after effects is risky. And none of you are getting any younger - it's only going to get riskier. It surprised me how quickly they'd managed to develop and approve the vaccines too - until I'd read about how they'd managed it. All good points but I'll take my chances. Social distancing and all these restrictions are around for a while yet so having the vaccine won't make a jot of difference to what I can and can't do and who I can mix with so I'm unlikely to contract the virus anytime soon as I'll not be doing anything I've not done for the last 12 months. That added to these new strains mean whatever we're vaccinated against now is unlikely to work with further mutations. I'm not in any way dismissing the impact COVID-19 can have on people, I'm just sceptical about the degree the vaccine will be effective and what impact it will have on me personally.
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Post by jdc on Feb 7, 2021 18:51:53 GMT
The current vaccines still work against the new strains that have evolved, they're just less effective than they were against the old school covid. They still prevent serious illness, hospitalisation, and death, they're just not as good at preventing mild infections. There's also the point that they can all easily be tweaked - Pfizer and AZ can just change the spike protein they use. We tweak flu vaccines every year and covid mutates far more slowly than flu so it'll be far easier to keep up with than flu is.
Having said all that, it's up to you - and as long as you don't cop for a moderate or severe case, the only impact of you not getting a vaccine is that everyone behind you on the list moves forward a place in the queue so actually refusing a vaccine is a selfless act of generosity.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Feb 7, 2021 19:57:23 GMT
No. Not because I'm ant-vax but like Arsehole said I don't need it. I don't get the flu jab for the same reason. I'll take my chances getting COVID-19 and recovering from it within a few days. Still amazes me how quickly so many vaccines have been developed and approved in such a short time. What makes you think you'd recover after a few days? You're not particularly likely to die but even for mild to moderate cases there's a chance it'll fuck your lungs or cause other long-term complications. It can take weeks rather than days to properly get over flu, it's a nastier disease than people realise, and it's not as bad as covid. I get the flu vaccine so I don't have to feel sick as a dog for a week followed by weeks of getting over the effects and I'll be getting my covid vaccine. Gambling that you're going to be in the group that has no symptoms or a mild case with no after effects is risky. And none of you are getting any younger - it's only going to get riskier. It surprised me how quickly they'd managed to develop and approve the vaccines too - until I'd read about how they'd managed it. I've had it and I was fine, I've got asthma and apart from 2 days of a banging headache and 1 day of zero energy it was great to have 2 weeks off work for fuck all fully paid. Felt like a teacher. Only affects the weak
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Post by edin on Feb 7, 2021 22:45:06 GMT
I've had it, personally cannot see why you wouldn't.
Sooner people take it the sooner the pubs are open
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Post by jdc on Feb 8, 2021 2:01:03 GMT
What makes you think you'd recover after a few days? You're not particularly likely to die but even for mild to moderate cases there's a chance it'll fuck your lungs or cause other long-term complications. It can take weeks rather than days to properly get over flu, it's a nastier disease than people realise, and it's not as bad as covid. I get the flu vaccine so I don't have to feel sick as a dog for a week followed by weeks of getting over the effects and I'll be getting my covid vaccine. Gambling that you're going to be in the group that has no symptoms or a mild case with no after effects is risky. And none of you are getting any younger - it's only going to get riskier. It surprised me how quickly they'd managed to develop and approve the vaccines too - until I'd read about how they'd managed it. I've had it and I was fine, I've got asthma and apart from 2 days of a banging headache and 1 day of zero energy it was great to have 2 weeks off work for fuck all fully paid. Felt like a teacher. Only affects the weak Viruses don't only affect the weak. How do you know you didn't get lucky with a low initial dose and people with worse symptoms got a higher dose? You're assuming that it was easy to fight off because of how strong you reckon you are, but that might have less to do with it than you think. This is definitely the case for other viruses e.g. flu pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30770534/ and I think also for SARS and MERS which are both coronaviruses. I'd be amazed if it wasn't true for this coronavirus. How ill you get depends on both your immune system and the exposure to the virus. Don't kid yourself that you're 'too strong' to get sick.
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Post by jdc on Feb 8, 2021 2:12:50 GMT
There's also the possibility that you had some protection from t cell cross-reactivity due to infection with one of the four pre-existing human coronaviruses. Hob was a big fan of that theory last year, I think Toby Young and the like had been pushing it on Twitter.
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Post by Neshead on Feb 8, 2021 10:14:33 GMT
I've had it, personally cannot see why you wouldn't. Sooner people take it the sooner the pubs are open Fuck it, instead of injecting us with a dodgy vaccine, just inject us all with Covid. Bit unlucky if it kills you but hey, less people means more food to go around. Not all heroes wear capes.
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Post by Hoochy on Feb 8, 2021 11:01:35 GMT
I've had it, personally cannot see why you wouldn't. Sooner people take it the sooner the pubs are open Fuck it, instead of injecting us with a dodgy vaccine, just inject us all with Covid. Bit unlucky if it kills you but hey, less people means more food to go around. Not all heroes wear capes. You know those heroes like Superman (cape✅) who wear their pants outside their trousers? Do you think they have another pair of pants under their trousers? Essentially doubling up on pants.
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