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Post by Lofty on Jan 31, 2021 17:06:40 GMT
Can someone tell Twitter that we don't always "have to have a scapegoat".
When someone (Clarke) continues to underperform he should rightly get called out for it. He's not a scapegoat he's just shit. Same as DMH. He wasn't a scapegoat he was just shit.
The team is performing well and we're winning so those underperforming (scapegoats if you will) will stand out more and get grief. I'd be worried if they got a free ride.
Clarke is another who seems a decent bloke, has banter on Twitter, lives local so has this bizarre cult who worship his every move and make him out to be something he's not - which is a good footballer.
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Post by Hobhead on Jan 31, 2021 17:15:47 GMT
Even if fans always do have a ‘scapegoat’, so what? As a team we should always be looking to improve and the easiest way to do that is to identify and replace your worst player.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jan 31, 2021 17:22:01 GMT
It's always those that harp on about the cup runs and get teary eyed every anniversary. If you have a player who isn't performing and way way way past their best it's ok as long as they love the club. Clarke was average when he first came terrible 2nd time around and this time he's had a couple of good games but largely ineffective and is clearly struggling.
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Post by Neshead on Jan 31, 2021 17:32:58 GMT
It's always those that harp on about the cup runs and get teary eyed every anniversary. If you have a player who isn't performing and way way way past their best it's ok as long as they love the club. Clarke was average when he first came terrible 2nd time around and this time he's had a couple of good games but largely ineffective and is clearly struggling. Clarke wasn't as bad as you make out. He's coming to the end of his career but he's played at a higher level than any of the lot we've got. The amount of stick he gets while others favourites seem to be world beaters is bemusing.
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Post by bantam147 on Jan 31, 2021 17:39:55 GMT
Clarke is an OK player. He’s not shit, but he’s not suited to that right hand role either. Worth having in the squad certainly for the remained of this season though.
But it’s all about opinions. If you can’t take criticism, professional football ain’t the career to be in.
And I’ve said it before - when you look at this window, its been a good one. But it hasn’t been revolutionary; we’ve binned of 3 or 4 shite players that should never have been signed anyway, and brought in a couple of loans, a reserve keeper and a couple of solid pro’s with some attacking talent in Rowe. It’s a good, professional window that stands out because we’ve been so bad at it over recent years. And the reason? We’ve invested in bringing in recruitment and scouting professionals and taken bolder, decisive action - all the stuff that the ‘negations’ were ‘moaning about’ in the first place.
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Post by Hobhead on Jan 31, 2021 17:40:08 GMT
It's always those that harp on about the cup runs and get teary eyed every anniversary. If you have a player who isn't performing and way way way past their best it's ok as long as they love the club. Clarke was average when he first came terrible 2nd time around and this time he's had a couple of good games but largely ineffective and is clearly struggling. Clarke wasn't as bad as you make out. He's coming to the end of his career but he's played at a higher level than any of the lot we've got. The amount of stick he gets while others favourites seem to be world beaters is bemusing. The most infuriating thing about Clarke for me is the amount of possession he coughs up. He either plays a wayward pass or dribbles right into an opponent’s feet. He started this spell well but he’s quickly regressed to ineffective type. He’s not helped by being played on the right of a three for some reason but he’s miles off justifying his selection for me.
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Post by Neshead on Jan 31, 2021 17:44:18 GMT
Clarke wasn't as bad as you make out. He's coming to the end of his career but he's played at a higher level than any of the lot we've got. The amount of stick he gets while others favourites seem to be world beaters is bemusing. The most infuriating thing about Clarke for me is the amount of possession he coughs up. He either plays a wayward pass or dribbles right into an opponent’s feet. He started this spell well but he’s quickly regressed to ineffective type. He’s not helped by being played on the right of a three for some reason but he’s miles off justifying his selection for me. I agree with this, he's currently filling a role because we have little else and isn't suited to the right hand role just as Cooke wasn't when played out of position byMcCall. Stevens is the obvious replacement but i'm guessing ain't showing enough to Trueman and Sellars to justify a starting role. Watt isn't pulling any trees at the moment but its Clarke that seems to get the stick.
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Post by Hobhead on Jan 31, 2021 17:50:31 GMT
The most infuriating thing about Clarke for me is the amount of possession he coughs up. He either plays a wayward pass or dribbles right into an opponent’s feet. He started this spell well but he’s quickly regressed to ineffective type. He’s not helped by being played on the right of a three for some reason but he’s miles off justifying his selection for me. I agree with this, he's currently filling a role because we have little else and isn't suited to the right hand role just as Cooke wasn't when played out of position byMcCall. Stevens is the obvious replacement but i'm guessing ain't showing enough to Trueman and Sellars to justify a starting role. Watt isn't pulling any trees at the moment but its Clarke that seems to get the stick. Why are we not switching Evans and Clarke? Both are quiet every game but both are playing in each other’s position.
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Post by Lofty on Jan 31, 2021 17:51:33 GMT
The most infuriating thing about Clarke for me is the amount of possession he coughs up. He either plays a wayward pass or dribbles right into an opponent’s feet. He started this spell well but he’s quickly regressed to ineffective type. He’s not helped by being played on the right of a three for some reason but he’s miles off justifying his selection for me. I agree with this, he's currently filling a role because we have little else and isn't suited to the right hand role just as Cooke wasn't when played out of position byMcCall. Stevens is the obvious replacement but i'm guessing ain't showing enough to Trueman and Sellars to justify a starting role. Watt isn't pulling any trees at the moment but its Clarke that seems to get the stick. For me it's the fact that Clarke gets OTT praise. If people were saying Watt was brilliant I'd call them out but nobody is. People still adamant Clarke is integral to how we play, apparently he links up play brilliantly. All I see is a few neat and tidy touches and a hell of a lot of giving the ball away. If Stevens or the new jigsaw can't displace Clarke, playing out of position on the right, then they were shit signings.
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Post by Hobhead on Jan 31, 2021 17:59:24 GMT
I like Watt. I agree he can be wasteful and he takes the wrong option too often but his head never drops, he always wants the ball and he never hides. With more experience his creases should get ironed out and he’ll be worth money.
People will be less patient with the likes of Clarke and Donaldson because they’ve done all the developing they’re going to do and are more likely to regress.
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Post by Neshead on Jan 31, 2021 18:03:44 GMT
I agree with this, he's currently filling a role because we have little else and isn't suited to the right hand role just as Cooke wasn't when played out of position byMcCall. Stevens is the obvious replacement but i'm guessing ain't showing enough to Trueman and Sellars to justify a starting role. Watt isn't pulling any trees at the moment but its Clarke that seems to get the stick. For me it's the fact that Clarke gets OTT praise. If people were saying Watt was brilliant I'd call them out but nobody is. People still adamant Clarke is integral to how we play, apparently he links up play brilliantly. All I see is a few neat and tidy touches and a hell of a lot of giving the ball away. If Stevens or the new jigsaw can't displace Clarke, playing out of position on the right, then they were shit signings. I might have missed it but ain't seen no praise for Clarke only a load of stick, well apart from Ricc Stead. I think he struggles to get involved on the right but at the moment they are reluctant to change what is a winning formula. Stevens may or may not give a more attacking threat but I see Clarke being there to give experience in front of Cousin Dawson. I guess the only way to tell is by playing him but i haven't seen anything yet in the minutes he's had to get me excited.
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Post by Neshead on Jan 31, 2021 18:07:02 GMT
I like Watt. I agree he can be wasteful and he takes the wrong option too often but his head never drops, he always wants the ball and he never hides. With more experience his creases should get ironed out and he’ll be worth money. People will be less patient with the likes of Clarke and Donaldson because they’ve done all the developing they’re going to do and are more likely to regress. I too like Watt as certain people know. I've laid it out there that i think he'll play higher than this level, possibly championship in a few years. But at the moment he's average, both Cooke and Sutton are more influential at this moment. My opinion is that deep lying role is not his best position, i'd prefer to see him further forward. My comments weren't meant to be an attack on Watt as i like the lads attitude, but Clarke comes in for a lot of unwarranted stick.
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Post by Neshead on Jan 31, 2021 18:12:57 GMT
For me it's the fact that Clarke gets OTT praise. If people were saying Watt was brilliant I'd call them out but nobody is. People still adamant Clarke is integral to how we play, apparently he links up play brilliantly. All I see is a few neat and tidy touches and a hell of a lot of giving the ball away. If Stevens or the new jigsaw can't displace Clarke, playing out of position on the right, then they were shit signings. I might have missed it but ain't seen no praise for Clarke only a load of stick, well apart from Ricc Stead. I think he struggles to get involved on the right but at the moment they are reluctant to change what is a winning formula. Stevens may or may not give a more attacking threat but I see Clarke being there to give experience in front of Cousin Dawson. I guess the only way to tell is by playing him but i haven't seen anything yet in the minutes he's had to get me excited. Even rated my own post, uber gomper wanker.
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Post by Lofty on Jan 31, 2021 18:17:10 GMT
For me it's the fact that Clarke gets OTT praise. If people were saying Watt was brilliant I'd call them out but nobody is. People still adamant Clarke is integral to how we play, apparently he links up play brilliantly. All I see is a few neat and tidy touches and a hell of a lot of giving the ball away. If Stevens or the new jigsaw can't displace Clarke, playing out of position on the right, then they were shit signings. I might have missed it but ain't seen no praise for Clarke only a load of stick, well apart from Ricc Stead. I think he struggles to get involved on the right but at the moment they are reluctant to change what is a winning formula. Stevens may or may not give a more attacking threat but I see Clarke being there to give experience in front of Cousin Dawson. I guess the only way to tell is by playing him but i haven't seen anything yet in the minutes he's had to get me excited. There's a host queuing up to suck him off on this thread. I just don't see it. He serves up averageness week after week. Doesn't have any strengths other than being neat and tidy. He's not quick, he's not strong, he's not a goalscorer, he's not grabbing loads of assists. He just floats about doing not much of note. Look how we've improved so much bringing Rowe in. It can't be hard to find better than Clarke.
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Post by Neshead on Jan 31, 2021 18:21:58 GMT
I might have missed it but ain't seen no praise for Clarke only a load of stick, well apart from Ricc Stead. I think he struggles to get involved on the right but at the moment they are reluctant to change what is a winning formula. Stevens may or may not give a more attacking threat but I see Clarke being there to give experience in front of Cousin Dawson. I guess the only way to tell is by playing him but i haven't seen anything yet in the minutes he's had to get me excited. There's a host queuing up to suck him off on this thread. I just don't see it. He serves up averageness week after week. Doesn't have any strengths other than being neat and tidy. He's not quick, he's not strong, he's not a goalscorer, he's not grabbing loads of assists. He just floats about doing not much of note. Look how we've improved so much bringing Rowe in. It can't be hard to find better than Clarke. The names doing it don't surprise me. Of all the positions Clarkes is the most under threat, I'd have said Evans too but he's picked up the last couple of games. I expect another wide player to come in tomorrow, that might be an option.
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Post by tetchyarse on Jan 31, 2021 18:44:54 GMT
I don't think Clarke deserves all the stick he gets, he's doing ok. 4 goals and 4 assists isn't bad, only Cooke has more assists, but it's also not stellar.
But he's not doing any more than OK. How much of that is being played on the right I don't know. I'm surprised we don't swap him and Evans over.
I do think he's the weakest player at the moment and it's not unfair to point that out.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jan 31, 2021 19:21:16 GMT
The most infuriating thing about Clarke for me is the amount of possession he coughs up. He either plays a wayward pass or dribbles right into an opponent’s feet. He started this spell well but he’s quickly regressed to ineffective type. He’s not helped by being played on the right of a three for some reason but he’s miles off justifying his selection for me. I agree with this, he's currently filling a role because we have little else and isn't suited to the right hand role just as Cooke wasn't when played out of position byMcCall. Stevens is the obvious replacement but i'm guessing ain't showing enough to Trueman and Sellars to justify a starting role. Watt isn't pulling any trees at the moment but its Clarke that seems to get the stick. I totally agree about Watt too his stats are bloated by how many of his completed passes are backpasses to the keeper. Although I thought he had a better 1st half on Saturday, like Clarke he's not justifying his selection.
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Post by Fat Ade on Jan 31, 2021 19:52:59 GMT
It's always those that harp on about the cup runs and get teary eyed every anniversary. If you have a player who isn't performing and way way way past their best it's ok as long as they love the club. Clarke was average when he first came terrible 2nd time around and this time he's had a couple of good games but largely ineffective and is clearly struggling. Clarke wasn't as bad as you make out. He's coming to the end of his career but he's played at a higher level than any of the lot we've got. The amount of stick he gets while others favourites seem to be world beaters is bemusing. Why don’t you just go suck him off or something? You’ll enjoy it because he’s got a lovely touch but don’t stand more than 4 yards away as he’s liable to miss your mouth
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Post by Neshead on Jan 31, 2021 20:12:39 GMT
Clarke wasn't as bad as you make out. He's coming to the end of his career but he's played at a higher level than any of the lot we've got. The amount of stick he gets while others favourites seem to be world beaters is bemusing. Why don’t you just go suck him off or something? You’ll enjoy it because he’s got a lovely touch but don’t stand more than 4 yards away as he’s liable to miss your mouth How about fuck off you fat ginger spastic
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Post by Hobhead on Jan 31, 2021 20:18:09 GMT
What kind of God would take a fat spastic and give him ginger hair?
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