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Post by Dick on Feb 28, 2021 15:21:50 GMT
I think you've all misread the title of the tread, it's called 'Trueman and the Other Guy', not 'Trueman and the Other Gay'.
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Post by kristoffvongomperton on Feb 28, 2021 16:33:39 GMT
I don’t normally get involved in this sort of debate because quite frankly, I can’t be arsed. But, on this occasion I’m going to weigh in. Huggy Bear is entitled to his views on whether there should be anything but what he portrays as “normal” going on in the world, neanderthal as it may be. But I don’t think even that is his point. Regardless of his archaic views, the point is that he doesn’t want it displayed alongside the club badge. I’ve seen views on politics being kept out of sport too which are also valid. My view is that I don’t see it as politics. I see it as “the club” using its social media platforms to encourage inclusiveness within and outside of the walls of Valley Parade. I don’t see a problem with that. Vast majority of people can determine the difference between the club badge and a fucking rainbow can’t they??? Besides which, whether you like it or not, you’re (being the combined community “you”) not the CEO of Bradford City, and until you are it’s Sparks’s prerogative to use his platform to push inclusivity. Also, I’d hazard a guess it’s not just him, it’s been agreed across the board of BCFC. Huggy, last couple of questions for you. Would you object if it was the jigsaw badge of Autism displayed alongside the club badge?? If so, why??
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Post by huggybear on Feb 28, 2021 16:55:01 GMT
I wouldn't object to anything raising awareness of an illness like Autism. But homosexuality is not an illness as far as I'm aware so there is no comparison. If there are colours that represent hetrosexuals or Zoophiles I'd object then. But this is the road you end up going down in PC world. The Trans issue is the next nightmare especially regarding ladies football. Sparks must back the Trans position or he's taking positions and lifestyles he approves of and not real equal rights for all.
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Post by Neshead on Feb 28, 2021 17:09:49 GMT
I wouldn't object to anything raising awareness of an illness like Autism. But homosexuality is not an illness as far as I'm aware so there is no comparison. If there are colours that represent hetrosexuals or Zoophiles I'd object then. If homosexuals were allowed to live their lives free from persecution as straight people are for their sexual beliefs then campaigns like the rainbow colours wouldn't be needed. But. as we know too well, footballers still fear coming out as gay because of views and beliefs handed down from older generations deriding gays. Its the 21st century, people should be able to live life of sexual orientation they choose. And football clubs have a duty to raise awareness as does all of society, being gay isn't political or a out of date religious belief, its a way of life driven by your sexual orientation.
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Post by keithcollins on Feb 28, 2021 17:15:00 GMT
And we wonder why gay footballers refuse to come out? I bet Huggybear would be the first to shout "backs against the wall lads"
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Feb 28, 2021 17:17:43 GMT
They've got the job, people are gay, people have different skin tones and some believe in a make believe book and higher power.
Close the thread
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Post by bantam147 on Feb 28, 2021 17:31:31 GMT
I actually agree that politics has no place in football, nor do I think its the job of football to try and take a moral high ground. But that's not what the rainbow flag is, in any way, shape or form. Its a message of inclusivity, of everyone being welcome. And there's no way that can be a bad thing.
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Post by Neshead on Feb 28, 2021 17:36:07 GMT
I actually agree that politics has no place in football, nor do I think its the job of football to try and take a moral high ground. But that's not what the rainbow flag is, in any way, shape or form. Its a message of inclusivity, of everyone being welcome. And there's no way that can be a bad thing. I'm not sure what part of this people don't understand?
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Post by huggybear on Feb 28, 2021 17:43:20 GMT
And we wonder why gay footballers refuse to come out? I bet Huggybear would be the first to shout "backs against the wall lads" All City's squad could be gay all I know. I don't care either. They play for Bradford City and represent claret and amber.
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Post by kristoffvongomperton on Feb 28, 2021 17:43:36 GMT
I wouldn't object to anything raising awareness of an illness like Autism. But homosexuality is not an illness as far as I'm aware so there is no comparison. If there are colours that represent hetrosexuals or Zoophiles I'd object then. But this is the road you end up going down in PC world. The Trans issue is the next nightmare especially regarding ladies football. Sparks must back the Trans position or he's taking positions and lifestyles he approves of and not real equal rights for all. First off your contradictions in saying you’d support anything raising awareness for Autism straight off the bat ruins your argument that the club badge should stay sacred and football should be a relief from everyday life. But I’ll brush over that. I object to your notion that Autism is an illness. There are many different forms of Autism which as a rule just make someone different from someone else. Dare I say it, just like homosexuals, trans, straight, lesbian, religious, non religious or indeed any other “type” you wish to name. But lots of autistic people are persecuted in life like lots of other “types”. I have huge experience of this so I’ve seen it first hand. I fail to see how you could accept the club pushing one form of inclusivity and not another, apart from because it suits your agenda, something you accuse Sparks of. All you’ve done is highlight the fact that it’s not about politics for you, it’s about what offends you as an out of date bigot
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Post by huggybear on Feb 28, 2021 17:55:39 GMT
How do you know I don't have Autism? Supporting or raising funds for an illness surely brings us all together. But you would risk having a 'favoured charity' and excluding other worthy causes so i would leave the badge alone and maybe have a different patch for a different charity every season on the shirt. A cheap shot by you by trying to bring autism in to it because you are struggling to deal with the original discussion.
Just leave it. All I suggested was leave the badge free and a symbol for us all to rally around in this divided world.
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Post by bantam147 on Feb 28, 2021 18:01:41 GMT
How do you know I don't have Autism? Supporting or raising funds for an illness surely brings us all together. But you would risk having a 'favoured charity' and excluding other worthy causes so i would leave the badge alone and maybe have a different patch for a different charity every season on the shirt. A cheap shot by you by trying to bring autism in to it because you are struggling to deal with the original discussion. Just leave it. All I suggested was leave the badge free and a symbol for us all to rally around in this divided world. Autism isn't an illness. Anyone who has any first had experience of it, wouldn't describe it as an illness.
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Post by huggybear on Feb 28, 2021 18:08:36 GMT
How do you know I don't have Autism? Supporting or raising funds for an illness surely brings us all together. But you would risk having a 'favoured charity' and excluding other worthy causes so i would leave the badge alone and maybe have a different patch for a different charity every season on the shirt. A cheap shot by you by trying to bring autism in to it because you are struggling to deal with the original discussion. Just leave it. All I suggested was leave the badge free and a symbol for us all to rally around in this divided world. Autism isn't an illness. Anyone who has any first had experience of it, wouldn't describe it as an illness. Wrong choice of words by me. But it is a charitable cause.
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Post by kristoffvongomperton on Feb 28, 2021 18:15:13 GMT
How do you know I don't have Autism? Supporting or raising funds for an illness surely brings us all together. But you would risk having a 'favoured charity' and excluding other worthy causes so i would leave the badge alone and maybe have a different patch for a different charity every season on the shirt. A cheap shot by you by trying to bring autism in to it because you are struggling to deal with the original discussion. Just leave it. All I suggested was leave the badge free and a symbol for us all to rally around in this divided world. Educated guess I suppose, if you had Autism then you wouldn’t see it as an illness. I’m also not sure how it was a cheap shot, it’s a valid point by using comparison to highlight how you’re only really bothered by “homosexuality”, which you went and proved too so thanks for that. I’m not struggling with the original point at all, I’m perfectly comfortable with it thanks. It’s you who’s struggling. Struggling to deal with this club being open to everyone of all “types” because one or two of them you’re not comfortable with. Struggling to stick to one view, you’re open to the Autism badge but not the Rainbow. And the biggest sign of struggling to accept that you might just be wrong, “just leave it”
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Post by huggybear on Feb 28, 2021 18:32:22 GMT
I believe a man should be with a woman and I see nothing wrong with that. You should thank your lucky stars your parents did. But I wouldn't want BCFC to promote it as I wouldn't want homosexuals to feel they didn't belong.
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Post by kristoffvongomperton on Feb 28, 2021 18:40:33 GMT
I believe a man should be with a woman and I see nothing wrong with that. You should thank your lucky stars your parents did. But I wouldn't want BCFC to promote it as I wouldn't want homosexuals to feel they didn't belong. Wow. I don’t think I have anything more to add if I’m honest. Nothing that there would be any point in saying anyway. Moving on Choo fucking choo
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Post by huggybear on Feb 28, 2021 18:44:12 GMT
I believe a man should be with a woman and I see nothing wrong with that. You should thank your lucky stars your parents did. But I wouldn't want BCFC to promote it as I wouldn't want homosexuals to feel they didn't belong. Wow. I don’t think I have anything more to add if I’m honest. Nothing that there would be any point in saying anyway. Moving on Choo fucking choo That's a relief.
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Post by goddeano on Feb 28, 2021 18:45:21 GMT
Just my 2 cents, but this HuggyBear character reeks of being a Dewhirst-style figure waiting for one person to agree so they can paint the entire TCA community as a homophobe.
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Post by huggybear on Feb 28, 2021 18:51:49 GMT
Just my 2 cents, but this HuggyBear character reeks of being a Dewhirst-style figure waiting for one person to agree so they can paint the entire TCA community as a homophobe. I wouldn't worry about that as I've written nothing homophobic.
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Post by bantam147 on Feb 28, 2021 19:02:17 GMT
Just my 2 cents, but this HuggyBear character reeks of being a Dewhirst-style figure waiting for one person to agree so they can paint the entire TCA community as a homophobe. Well its backfired, if so. Because we don't stand for racism or homophobia on here. And the response speaks for itself.
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