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Post by edin on Dec 23, 2020 10:21:13 GMT
With Holloway gone from Grimsby we may need to act sharply to get Hurst in
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Post by fish on Dec 23, 2020 10:43:07 GMT
With Holloway gone from Grimsby we may need to act sharply to get Hurst in Hurst won't go back to Grimsby, not while their owner is there anyway. The whole reason he left was because they weren't interested in developing the club off the field.
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Post by bantam147 on Dec 23, 2020 11:01:58 GMT
With Holloway gone from Grimsby we may need to act sharply to get Hurst in We can’t be distracted here. Trueman and Sellars have done exactly what we wanted - fair johns. They clearly have value to the club. But 3 games of doing the basics right can’t be allowed to paper over 3 years of fucking this club up. We need a quality manager, proper investment in recruitment, and 3-4 quality players in Jan. We need calm heads and decisive management. You see it already on BT - Guthrie and Donaldson were typically shite last night, but all of a sudden a few people are rating their performances differently, just because we won. No - we need to maintain a keen sense of what’s wrong and not be easily distracted. Get Hurst in now. And for the first time in the well we might resemble a properly run club - get Trueman and Sellars working the Youth and supporting Hurst in the background. We could actually establish a credible means of coaching and promoting young lads into the first team, through coaches who’ve now demonstrated their credibility and capability.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Dec 23, 2020 11:55:32 GMT
With Holloway gone from Grimsby we may need to act sharply to get Hurst in We can’t be distracted here. Trueman and Sellars have done exactly what we wanted - fair johns. They clearly have value to the club. But 3 games of doing the basics right can’t be allowed to paper over 3 years of fucking this club up. We need a quality manager, proper investment in recruitment, and 3-4 quality players in Jan. We need calm heads and decisive management. You see it already on BT - Guthrie and Donaldson were typically shite last night, but all of a sudden a few people are rating their performances differently, just because we won. No - we need to maintain a keen sense of what’s wrong and not be easily distracted. Get Hurst in now. And for the first time in the well we might resemble a properly run club - get Trueman and Sellars working the Youth and supporting Hurst in the background. We could actually establish a credible means of coaching and promoting young lads into the first team, through coaches who’ve now demonstrated their credibility and capability. Yeah best not to get too carried away and jump the gun, fine margins and all that. We've certainly looked harder to break down, but 3 worldies in 4 days could just be statistical anomaly. I don't want us to ruin two promising young coaches by throwing them in the deep end. At the moment they are under no pressure and every point is a bonus. But we just don't know how they would cope with the expectation, the grind and the scrutiny that comes with being appointed permanent first team managers.
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Post by Neshead on Dec 23, 2020 12:16:43 GMT
With Holloway gone from Grimsby we may need to act sharply to get Hurst in We can’t be distracted here. Trueman and Sellars have done exactly what we wanted - fair johns. They clearly have value to the club. But 3 games of doing the basics right can’t be allowed to paper over 3 years of fucking this club up. We need a quality manager, proper investment in recruitment, and 3-4 quality players in Jan. We need calm heads and decisive management. You see it already on BT - Guthrie and Donaldson were typically shite last night, but all of a sudden a few people are rating their performances differently, just because we won. No - we need to maintain a keen sense of what’s wrong and not be easily distracted. Get Hurst in now. And for the first time in the well we might resemble a properly run club - get Trueman and Sellars working the Youth and supporting Hurst in the background. We could actually establish a credible means of coaching and promoting young lads into the first team, through coaches who’ve now demonstrated their credibility and capability. Get Hurst in and sack him a week later for all i care, i just want my brass off Skybet.
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Post by tetchyarse on Dec 23, 2020 14:20:19 GMT
We need to keep the two youth coaches involved, but we can't have another situation where they get thrown in the deep end on the back of three promising displays. Both wins were by fine margins and spectacular goals. The displays were good, we looked more solid, but we don't need inexperience now.
Keep them involved, though, so when Hurst (or whoever) leaves in a couple of years they will be ready to step up.
Imagine that, a clear succession plan. Madness.
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Post by Bacon on Dec 23, 2020 20:19:08 GMT
Still nothing.... The longer it goes on, the Truemanish it looks. Ffs.
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Post by mikehunt on Dec 23, 2020 20:51:56 GMT
It’s like Edin searching for weeks and appointing Collins. It’ll end in tears.
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Post by benitocarbone on Dec 23, 2020 20:57:32 GMT
It’s like Edin searching for weeks and appointing Collins. It’ll end in tears. As I just posted on the other channel it’s frightening.
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Post by akpanisgoneyippeee on Dec 25, 2020 18:35:57 GMT
The young guys have done great, but as per usual like a moth to the light the cheap option is just too fkn irresistible, Ryan Spaz deserves it all to blow up in his face if its the case.
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Post by Fat Ade on Dec 26, 2020 18:04:04 GMT
I think it would turn out to be a mistake to give it to Trueman and Sellars in the end but it’s becoming increasingly harder to ignore them. We won’t win every game obviously but the next four look like we have a chance in.
Do we give that period to a new manager and hope he gets off to a good start or do we keep going with T&S to see if they can carry on their impressive run? If we did go with the latter and we ended up with another three wins then I can’t see how SparkS couldn’t give it to them for a longer period.
My reservations about giving it to T&S for a longer period is around how they react to a poor run and how they go about recruitment. If a decent DoF comes in then the second reservation probably goes away and we’ll have to see about the first.
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Post by Dick on Dec 26, 2020 18:11:37 GMT
I think it would turn out to be a mistake to give it to Trueman and Sellars in the end but it’s becoming increasingly harder to ignore them. We won’t win every game obviously but the next four look like we have a chance in. Do we give that period to a new manager and hope he gets off to a good start or do we keep going with T&S to see if they can carry on their impressive run? If we did go with the latter and we ended up with another three wins then I can’t see how SparkS couldn’t give it to them for a longer period. My reservations about giving it to T&S for a longer period is around how they react to a poor run and how they go about recruitment. If a decent DoF comes in then the second reservation probably goes away and we’ll have to see about the first. We couldn't pay for an assistant for Bowyer. We had McCall acting as Head scout on an ipad. As you say with each passing game it's getting harder to dismiss T&C as a viable option. Especially as we're a week away from the window opening and we sacked McCall when we did to give his replacement time to use it. If we do give it to them the club must support them adequately with experience, in recruitment, in a DoF role, with further coaches - taking the internal cheap option is one thing but to not back them up is taking a huge risk, as the season isn't over and our safety isn't guaranteed yet.
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Post by Lofty on Dec 26, 2020 18:13:08 GMT
I think it would turn out to be a mistake to give it to Trueman and Sellars in the end but it’s becoming increasingly harder to ignore them. We won’t win every game obviously but the next four look like we have a chance in. Do we give that period to a new manager and hope he gets off to a good start or do we keep going with T&S to see if they can carry on their impressive run? If we did go with the latter and we ended up with another three wins then I can’t see how SparkS couldn’t give it to them for a longer period. My reservations about giving it to T&S for a longer period is around how they react to a poor run and how they go about recruitment. If a decent DoF comes in then the second reservation probably goes away and we’ll have to see about the first. They've made it a really hard decision for Sparks. We keep them and we suddenly tank he'll get grief. We replace them and lose momentum then he'll get grief. I'm always of the opinion that you don't change a winning team and these lads are certainly that. Add the recruitment guy and this is Mickey Collins done the right way.
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Post by Fat Ade on Dec 26, 2020 18:16:05 GMT
I think it would turn out to be a mistake to give it to Trueman and Sellars in the end but it’s becoming increasingly harder to ignore them. We won’t win every game obviously but the next four look like we have a chance in. Do we give that period to a new manager and hope he gets off to a good start or do we keep going with T&S to see if they can carry on their impressive run? If we did go with the latter and we ended up with another three wins then I can’t see how SparkS couldn’t give it to them for a longer period. My reservations about giving it to T&S for a longer period is around how they react to a poor run and how they go about recruitment. If a decent DoF comes in then the second reservation probably goes away and we’ll have to see about the first. We couldn't pay for an assistant for Bowyer. We had McCall acting as Head scout on an ipad. As you say with each passing game it's getting harder to dismiss T&C as a viable option. Especially as we're a week away from the window opening and we sacked McCall when we did to give his replacement time to use it. If we do give it to them the club must support them adequately with experience, in recruitment, in a DoF role, with further coaches - taking the internal cheap option is one thing but to not back them up is taking a huge risk, as the season isn't over and our safety isn't guaranteed yet. All valid points and I think the backing should be given to whoever comes in. If we have a plan, then we should be sticking to that and bringing Hurst or whoever in. He’s available now and in six months time might not be should the T&S for experiment not work out.
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Post by Fat Ade on Dec 26, 2020 18:19:01 GMT
I think it would turn out to be a mistake to give it to Trueman and Sellars in the end but it’s becoming increasingly harder to ignore them. We won’t win every game obviously but the next four look like we have a chance in. Do we give that period to a new manager and hope he gets off to a good start or do we keep going with T&S to see if they can carry on their impressive run? If we did go with the latter and we ended up with another three wins then I can’t see how SparkS couldn’t give it to them for a longer period. My reservations about giving it to T&S for a longer period is around how they react to a poor run and how they go about recruitment. If a decent DoF comes in then the second reservation probably goes away and we’ll have to see about the first. They've made it a really hard decision for Sparks. We keep them and we suddenly tank he'll get grief. We replace them and lose momentum then he'll get grief. I'm always of the opinion that you don't change a winning team and these lads are certainly that. Add the recruitment guy and this is Mickey Collins done the right way. Again, you make valid points and I aren’t that sure what I would do if I was making the decision. SparkS is in a difficult situation for sure but he should have known that at the time of booting McCall. These two, if nothing else, have at least given some breathing space for a decision to be made.
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Post by mikehunt on Dec 26, 2020 18:38:04 GMT
I think it would turn out to be a mistake to give it to Trueman and Sellars in the end but it’s becoming increasingly harder to ignore them. We won’t win every game obviously but the next four look like we have a chance in. Do we give that period to a new manager and hope he gets off to a good start or do we keep going with T&S to see if they can carry on their impressive run? If we did go with the latter and we ended up with another three wins then I can’t see how SparkS couldn’t give it to them for a longer period. My reservations about giving it to T&S for a longer period is around how they react to a poor run and how they go about recruitment. If a decent DoF comes in then the second reservation probably goes away and we’ll have to see about the first. They've made it a really hard decision for Sparks. That’s what he’s paid for. Chief Execs live and die by their decisions. If he wants to play Billy big bollocks with all his management buzzword bullshit he has to make the hard decisions. There are one or two of his acolytes on Twitter who will lap it all up whatever he does.
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Post by Bacon on Dec 26, 2020 18:53:06 GMT
If it was going to be Hurst he'd be in the job now. Trueman and Sellars are doing a good enough job to allow the club the time to get the right man, possibly one who's in a job at the moment. In the meantime four games unbeaten and ten points from twelve suggests that they're capable of doing the job in the short to medium term. As an aside I see that the Burnley takeover is nearing completion.
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Post by fish on Dec 26, 2020 19:22:56 GMT
Its nailed on that he'll get it now. Its the easy and the cheap option for Sparks. And if it doesn't work out then he knows he won't get much shit from the fans because most of them asked for it.
Thats not to say I think he should get it though. We've seen enough times in football the managerial bounce where a side has gone back to being shit after the initial upturn in results.
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Post by hobbes on Dec 26, 2020 20:03:24 GMT
Ultimately I reckon its impossible to predict whether Trueman can keep this up or whether a new man could maintain what he and Sellars have started. Basically Sparks is gonna have to stick or twist and hope for the best at this point.
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Post by tetchyarse on Dec 26, 2020 20:40:56 GMT
Get an experienced DoF in and I'd be less worried about the inexperience of these two. It'll be interesting to see how they cope when the rub of the green goes against us.
For now, though, really enjoying how they've got the side organised and they've got the two O'Connors back to their shithousing best.
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