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Post by Hobhead on Nov 5, 2020 6:58:36 GMT
There’s some really odd things being thrown up in this election. The Wisconsin turnout was anomalously huge and pretty much 100% of new voter turnout in Texas went to Trump. How is that even possible?
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Post by Hobhead on Nov 5, 2020 7:05:16 GMT
"Cancel culture" is just something right-wingers whinge about without any actual basis in reality. But it's an idea that has stuck despite having no basis in reality because right-wingers just love to play the victim card. It's like "virtue-signalling", which is just another right-wing bullshit term that means nothing, has no basis in reality, but lets them feel all victimised, the poor dears. America has been polarised for a very long time- Al Gore lost by 600 votes and a dodgy Supreme Court decision in 2000 and so we got 8 years of Dubya and the Iraq War. This election isn't new except Trump is transparent in saying he will lie and cheat if he doesn't get his own way. As for polling, the issue is that polling generally predicts national trends but elections under FPTP don't reflect national trends. Biden has already won more votes than any other challenger in history. Clinton comprehensively won the popular vote, but racked up huge wins where it didn't matter not where it counted. It's the same in the UK, it's not huge numbers of secret voters that swing elections, it's a small number of people in a small number of states/seats. Trump has done very well in the states Republucans always do well in, likewise Biden in true blue states. And the states everyone called as close have turned out to be close. I don’t know how you can deny cancel culture exists and it’s not just ‘right wingers’ who are falling victim to it. Also ‘virtue signalling’ has nothing to do with playing the victim at all. It’s simply an accusation that a person’s protestations are either insincere and simply what they think the listener wants to hear or, more commonly, it’s when a person uses a situation to demonstrate their political credentials. You see this crap all the time and it’s often really inappropriate. You can have a really gruesome incident and a subset of people will suddenly decide that the pertinent part of it all is how they themselves feel about it. They then take full advantage of the situation by demonstrating their magnanimity over as many forms of social media as possible and sometimes they even make a sign and pop outside for a tawdry Instagram photo op. They’re self-serving vulgarians.
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Post by bantam147 on Nov 5, 2020 7:21:22 GMT
Cancel Culture is predominant amongst the left, not the right. As for Virtue signalling - those that do it, dont recognise it as such.
Division isnt new - it's the outright intolerance and inability to have a civil discussion whilst disagreeing that's become dangerous.
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Post by bantam147 on Nov 5, 2020 7:23:49 GMT
"Cancel culture" is just something right-wingers whinge about without any actual basis in reality. But it's an idea that has stuck despite having no basis in reality because right-wingers just love to play the victim card. It's like "virtue-signalling", which is just another right-wing bullshit term that means nothing, has no basis in reality, but lets them feel all victimised, the poor dears. America has been polarised for a very long time- Al Gore lost by 600 votes and a dodgy Supreme Court decision in 2000 and so we got 8 years of Dubya and the Iraq War. This election isn't new except Trump is transparent in saying he will lie and cheat if he doesn't get his own way. As for polling, the issue is that polling generally predicts national trends but elections under FPTP don't reflect national trends. Biden has already won more votes than any other challenger in history. Clinton comprehensively won the popular vote, but racked up huge wins where it didn't matter not where it counted. It's the same in the UK, it's not huge numbers of secret voters that swing elections, it's a small number of people in a small number of states/seats. Trump has done very well in the states Republucans always do well in, likewise Biden in true blue states. And the states everyone called as close have turned out to be close. I don’t know how you can deny cancel culture exists and it’s not just ‘right wingers’ who are falling victim to it. Also ‘virtue signalling’ has nothing to do with playing the victim at all. It’s simply an accusation that a person’s protestations are either insincere and simply what they think the listener wants to hear or, more commonly, it’s when a person uses a situation to demonstrate their political credentials. You see this crap all the time and it’s often really inappropriate. You can have a really gruesome incident and a subset of people will suddenly decide that the pertinent part of it all is how they themselves feel about it. They then take full advantage of the situation by demonstrating their magnanimity over as many forms of social media as possible and sometimes they even make a sign and pop outside for a tawdry Instagram photo op. They’re self-serving vulgarians. Society has become hugely narcissistic. I think the role of social media is a huge part of it,as it does with the sharp decline in mental health over the last 10 years.
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Post by tetchyarse on Nov 5, 2020 7:37:09 GMT
"Cancel culture" is just something right-wingers whinge about without any actual basis in reality. But it's an idea that has stuck despite having no basis in reality because right-wingers just love to play the victim card. It's like "virtue-signalling", which is just another right-wing bullshit term that means nothing, has no basis in reality, but lets them feel all victimised, the poor dears. America has been polarised for a very long time- Al Gore lost by 600 votes and a dodgy Supreme Court decision in 2000 and so we got 8 years of Dubya and the Iraq War. This election isn't new except Trump is transparent in saying he will lie and cheat if he doesn't get his own way. As for polling, the issue is that polling generally predicts national trends but elections under FPTP don't reflect national trends. Biden has already won more votes than any other challenger in history. Clinton comprehensively won the popular vote, but racked up huge wins where it didn't matter not where it counted. It's the same in the UK, it's not huge numbers of secret voters that swing elections, it's a small number of people in a small number of states/seats. Trump has done very well in the states Republucans always do well in, likewise Biden in true blue states. And the states everyone called as close have turned out to be close. I don’t know how you can deny cancel culture exists and it’s not just ‘right wingers’ who are falling victim to it. Also ‘virtue signalling’ has nothing to do with playing the victim at all. It’s simply an accusation that a person’s protestations are either insincere and simply what they think the listener wants to hear or, more commonly, it’s when a person uses a situation to demonstrate their political credentials. You see this crap all the time and it’s often really inappropriate. You can have a really gruesome incident and a subset of people will suddenly decide that the pertinent part of it all is how they themselves feel about it. They then take full advantage of the situation by demonstrating their magnanimity over as many forms of social media as possible and sometimes they even make a sign and pop outside for a tawdry Instagram photo op. They’re self-serving vulgarians. "Cancel culture" doesn't exist. It's made-up bollocks by right-wing commentators to try and make them look like victims when they're not. There's no evidence right-wing people are being routinely fired for their political opinions. On the other hand, though, we had McCarthyism in the 60s and 70s and there's been widespread blacklisting of trade union figures in the UK construction trade. Is that "cancel culture"? No, didn't think so. "Virtue-signalling" is a nasty little term, it basically says "I don't like your opinion but I'm incapable of having a reasoned debate, so I'm going to imply you don't really hold that opinion and that you're a liar and a narcissist". It says more about the person using the term than anything else. Social media just gives a loudhailer to that boring gobshite down the pub who has an opinion on *everything*. If you take it seriously then there's no hope.
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Post by Lofty on Nov 5, 2020 7:58:15 GMT
I don’t know how you can deny cancel culture exists and it’s not just ‘right wingers’ who are falling victim to it. Also ‘virtue signalling’ has nothing to do with playing the victim at all. It’s simply an accusation that a person’s protestations are either insincere and simply what they think the listener wants to hear or, more commonly, it’s when a person uses a situation to demonstrate their political credentials. You see this crap all the time and it’s often really inappropriate. You can have a really gruesome incident and a subset of people will suddenly decide that the pertinent part of it all is how they themselves feel about it. They then take full advantage of the situation by demonstrating their magnanimity over as many forms of social media as possible and sometimes they even make a sign and pop outside for a tawdry Instagram photo op. They’re self-serving vulgarians. "Cancel culture" doesn't exist. It's made-up bollocks by right-wing commentators to try and make them look like victims when they're not. There's no evidence right-wing people are being routinely fired for their political opinions. On the other hand, though, we had McCarthyism in the 60s and 70s and there's been widespread blacklisting of trade union figures in the UK construction trade. Is that "cancel culture"? No, didn't think so. "Virtue-signalling" is a nasty little term, it basically says "I don't like your opinion but I'm incapable of having a reasoned debate, so I'm going to imply you don't really hold that opinion and that you're a liar and a narcissist". It says more about the person using the term than anything else. Social media just gives a loudhailer to that boring gobshite down the pub who has an opinion on *everything*. If you take it seriously then there's no hope. JK Rowling is about as left wing as you can get. She said something that trans people found offensive. They're now burning her books and ostricising her. It's not limited to right or left wing. Back in the day someone did something you didn't like you called them a cunt and moved on. Not in 2020.
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Post by Hobhead on Nov 5, 2020 8:07:53 GMT
I don’t know how you can deny cancel culture exists and it’s not just ‘right wingers’ who are falling victim to it. Also ‘virtue signalling’ has nothing to do with playing the victim at all. It’s simply an accusation that a person’s protestations are either insincere and simply what they think the listener wants to hear or, more commonly, it’s when a person uses a situation to demonstrate their political credentials. You see this crap all the time and it’s often really inappropriate. You can have a really gruesome incident and a subset of people will suddenly decide that the pertinent part of it all is how they themselves feel about it. They then take full advantage of the situation by demonstrating their magnanimity over as many forms of social media as possible and sometimes they even make a sign and pop outside for a tawdry Instagram photo op. They’re self-serving vulgarians. "Cancel culture" doesn't exist. It's made-up bollocks by right-wing commentators to try and make them look like victims when they're not. There's no evidence right-wing people are being routinely fired for their political opinions. On the other hand, though, we had McCarthyism in the 60s and 70s and there's been widespread blacklisting of trade union figures in the UK construction trade. Is that "cancel culture"? No, didn't think so.. You’ve stated that cancel culture doesn’t exist then cited McCarthyism and blacklisting of union figures as evidence that it does. For the left. This isn’t a matter of right and left; I already said it’s not just the right that are falling victim to it. I think you’re coming at this through the prism of your own personal bias; you’re letting your dislike of right wingers cloud your judgement. If it’s something the right say then you’re going to work your way to concluding that it’s simply wrong or doesn’t exist. The cancel culture that you’re denying exists will, I think, get completely out of control (if it hasn’t already). There’ll be a set of ever-narrowing parameters within which anyone is allowed to express themselves and anyone straying from the path will be boycotted, harassed, have their employers contacted etc. Not only do I think it exists but I think it’s something that should be a concern to everyone - right and left. Virtue signalling doesn’t say that. It’s not even necessarily about the opinion in question but more the manner in which it is being expressed. It’s the very public, attention seeking way in which it’s being carried out. A good example is the annual City sleep out for the homeless. Everyone is doing it for a commendable cause but the way in which they plaster their socials with pictures of the fun they’re having while also pretending to have gained an insight into how it feels to be homeless is an insult. If they were using their social media accounts to post links to GoFund me pages to raise cash then fair enough but they’re not. They’re using it complain about the hardship, post pictures of themselves in sleeping bags, crow about their charity work and harvest likes instead of pounds. They take a very serious issue and use the charity event associated with it to demonstrate what wonderful people they are. It becomes less about the homeless and more about them. That’s virtue signalling.
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Post by bantam147 on Nov 5, 2020 8:08:49 GMT
"Cancel culture" doesn't exist. It's made-up bollocks by right-wing commentators to try and make them look like victims when they're not. There's no evidence right-wing people are being routinely fired for their political opinions. On the other hand, though, we had McCarthyism in the 60s and 70s and there's been widespread blacklisting of trade union figures in the UK construction trade. Is that "cancel culture"? No, didn't think so. "Virtue-signalling" is a nasty little term, it basically says "I don't like your opinion but I'm incapable of having a reasoned debate, so I'm going to imply you don't really hold that opinion and that you're a liar and a narcissist". It says more about the person using the term than anything else. Social media just gives a loudhailer to that boring gobshite down the pub who has an opinion on *everything*. If you take it seriously then there's no hope. JK Rowling is about as left wing as you can get. She said something that trans people found offensive. They're now burning her books and ostricising her. It's not limited to right or left wing. Back in the day someone did something you didn't like you called them a cunt and moved on. Not in 2020. Quite right. Its deplorable. Now, can the admins please delete his post? And let's find out where the cunt works, I reckon we can have him out for this.
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Post by Neshead on Nov 5, 2020 8:10:32 GMT
What the fucking fuck is cancel culture?
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Post by Lofty on Nov 5, 2020 8:34:57 GMT
What the fucking fuck is cancel culture? It's code for anal m8.
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Post by Hoochy on Nov 5, 2020 8:39:52 GMT
What the fucking fuck is cancel culture? It's code for anal m8. Typical of Neshead to bring it back to anal. He's obsessed.
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Post by tetchyarse on Nov 5, 2020 8:46:22 GMT
I just knew JK Rowling would get mentioned. She deliberately goads people then moans that people get goaded. If we want to talk about all that's wrong with narcissistic social media, there we are. "Cancel culture" though? You can't move for Harry Potter shit in the shops.
I definitely agree about the tweeting about homeless sleepouts, though that's just a new version of the traditional charity ball auction where rich men get to publicly throw money around to show just how much money they have. But "virtue-signalling" isn't used to mock those people, it's used against the likes of Gary Lineker whenever he dares to have an opinion. It's used against Marcus Rashford too. But, curiously, not against Andrew Neill when he refers to a Guardian journalist as a "mad cat lady" for investigating the Brexit nutters.
And yes, totally agree about the bullshit of screenshotting people and mailing it to their bosses.
We saw that on the #bcafc hashtag and that was fucking stupid.
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Post by Fat Ade on Nov 5, 2020 9:46:53 GMT
I don’t know how you can deny cancel culture exists and it’s not just ‘right wingers’ who are falling victim to it. Also ‘virtue signalling’ has nothing to do with playing the victim at all. It’s simply an accusation that a person’s protestations are either insincere and simply what they think the listener wants to hear or, more commonly, it’s when a person uses a situation to demonstrate their political credentials. You see this crap all the time and it’s often really inappropriate. You can have a really gruesome incident and a subset of people will suddenly decide that the pertinent part of it all is how they themselves feel about it. They then take full advantage of the situation by demonstrating their magnanimity over as many forms of social media as possible and sometimes they even make a sign and pop outside for a tawdry Instagram photo op. They’re self-serving vulgarians. Society has become hugely narcissistic. I think the role of social media is a huge part of it,as it does with the sharp decline in mental health over the last 10 years. The social dilemma on Netflix is well worth a watch...does a decent job at trying to explain why there seems to be such polar opposite opinions.
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Post by bantam147 on Nov 5, 2020 10:42:01 GMT
Society has become hugely narcissistic. I think the role of social media is a huge part of it,as it does with the sharp decline in mental health over the last 10 years. The social dilemma on Netflix is well worth a watch...does a decent job at trying to explain why there seems to be such polar opposite opinions. Yeah I watched that. We've made some serious changes to how devices are used in our house on the back of it. Its a huge threat to wellbeing, especially for kids/teens/young adults.
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Post by Dick on Nov 5, 2020 10:42:02 GMT
"Cancel culture" is just something right-wingers whinge about without any actual basis in reality. But it's an idea that has stuck despite having no basis in reality because right-wingers just love to play the victim card. It's like "virtue-signalling", which is just another right-wing bullshit term that means nothing, has no basis in reality, but lets them feel all victimised, the poor dears. America has been polarised for a very long time- Al Gore lost by 600 votes and a dodgy Supreme Court decision in 2000 and so we got 8 years of Dubya and the Iraq War. This election isn't new except Trump is transparent in saying he will lie and cheat if he doesn't get his own way. As for polling, the issue is that polling generally predicts national trends but elections under FPTP don't reflect national trends. Biden has already won more votes than any other challenger in history. Clinton comprehensively won the popular vote, but racked up huge wins where it didn't matter not where it counted. It's the same in the UK, it's not huge numbers of secret voters that swing elections, it's a small number of people in a small number of states/seats. Trump has done very well in the states Republucans always do well in, likewise Biden in true blue states. And the states everyone called as close have turned out to be close. But 'cancel culture' isn't just part of politics. (Maybe more doxxing? I don't know, whatever the term is) It is often the desire to ruin someone because they may have a view, opinion or make a joke about something deemed not 'morally' right - and in the digital age, its easier and more vicious to do that as they know they punishment is far greater than the crime actually being committed. But usually seen as a tool of the 'left' you're seeing the 'right' side give it back as well. It's like on Twitter - say someone makes a joke about the Bradford fire, then you have people trying to track down their employer / college etc. demanding they take action against the person because they made a sick joke. Yeah, someone saying that is a dickhead - but you don't need to ruin their life over it. We've all seen it. And employers / colleges etc know in 2020 they can be online shamed, review bombed etc. unless they are seen to take action. Or who was the commentator, Craig Ramage? Who made the comment about 'young black boys' or whatever it was - career over and ruined. Dumb thing to say and he's in a position where he definitely shouldn't say it - but people in that wider industry do far worse things (illegal things) and can be welcomed back. Im in a situation at work where I manage a few people, and one of them - 23 year old fresh out of uni - just doesn't like me as a person and a manager. I was warned by a more experienced member of staff this person had a manipulative personality, and they saw signs of gaslighting from her. She's realised if she moans and complains she gets what she wants. Very argumentative and also calculated and scheming, undermines me constantly and influencing other young members of staff. She complaints to HR about the most trivial things. Apparently I'd made a comment about an all-day meeting she was in - it was something corporate and boring, not related to our line of work at all - and I must have made a light hearted, casual sarcastic comment about her staying awake during it. She then took that comment to HR and my line manager and complained about it. Also complained about me and another manager because recommendations she'd made about improving some processes were not implemented as quickly as we said they would (because there is a much bigger situation in the world right now....). I'm now in a situation where I have to record every meeting with her because I can't risk anything being taken out of context and taken straight to HR.
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Post by bantam147 on Nov 5, 2020 11:34:23 GMT
"Cancel culture" is just something right-wingers whinge about without any actual basis in reality. But it's an idea that has stuck despite having no basis in reality because right-wingers just love to play the victim card. It's like "virtue-signalling", which is just another right-wing bullshit term that means nothing, has no basis in reality, but lets them feel all victimised, the poor dears. America has been polarised for a very long time- Al Gore lost by 600 votes and a dodgy Supreme Court decision in 2000 and so we got 8 years of Dubya and the Iraq War. This election isn't new except Trump is transparent in saying he will lie and cheat if he doesn't get his own way. As for polling, the issue is that polling generally predicts national trends but elections under FPTP don't reflect national trends. Biden has already won more votes than any other challenger in history. Clinton comprehensively won the popular vote, but racked up huge wins where it didn't matter not where it counted. It's the same in the UK, it's not huge numbers of secret voters that swing elections, it's a small number of people in a small number of states/seats. Trump has done very well in the states Republucans always do well in, likewise Biden in true blue states. And the states everyone called as close have turned out to be close. But 'cancel culture' isn't just part of politics. (Maybe more doxxing? I don't know, whatever the term is) It is often the desire to ruin someone because they may have a view, opinion or make a joke about something deemed not 'morally' right - and in the digital age, its easier and more vicious to do that as they know they punishment is far greater than the crime actually being committed. But usually seen as a tool of the 'left' you're seeing the 'right' side give it back as well. It's like on Twitter - say someone makes a joke about the Bradford fire, then you have people trying to track down their employer / college etc. demanding they take action against the person because they made a sick joke. Yeah, someone saying that is a dickhead - but you don't need to ruin their life over it. We've all seen it. And employers / colleges etc know in 2020 they can be online shamed, review bombed etc. unless they are seen to take action. Or who was the commentator, Craig Ramage? Who made the comment about 'young black boys' or whatever it was - career over and ruined. Dumb thing to say and he's in a position where he definitely shouldn't say it - but people in that wider industry do far worse things (illegal things) and can be welcomed back. Im in a situation at work where I manage a few people, and one of them - 23 year old fresh out of uni - just doesn't like me as a person and a manager. I was warned by a more experienced member of staff this person had a manipulative personality, and they saw signs of gaslighting from her. She's realised if she moans and complains she gets what she wants. Very argumentative and also calculated and scheming, undermines me constantly and influencing other young members of staff. She complaints to HR about the most trivial things. Apparently I'd made a comment about an all-day meeting she was in - it was something corporate and boring, not related to our line of work at all - and I must have made a light hearted, casual sarcastic comment about her staying awake during it. She then took that comment to HR and my line manager and complained about it. Also complained about me and another manager because recommendations she'd made about improving some processes were not implemented as quickly as we said they would (because there is a much bigger situation in the world right now....). I'm now in a situation where I have to record every meeting with her because I can't risk anything being taken out of context and taken straight to HR. Have you shagged her yet?
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Post by Dick on Nov 5, 2020 11:38:46 GMT
But 'cancel culture' isn't just part of politics. (Maybe more doxxing? I don't know, whatever the term is) It is often the desire to ruin someone because they may have a view, opinion or make a joke about something deemed not 'morally' right - and in the digital age, its easier and more vicious to do that as they know they punishment is far greater than the crime actually being committed. But usually seen as a tool of the 'left' you're seeing the 'right' side give it back as well. It's like on Twitter - say someone makes a joke about the Bradford fire, then you have people trying to track down their employer / college etc. demanding they take action against the person because they made a sick joke. Yeah, someone saying that is a dickhead - but you don't need to ruin their life over it. We've all seen it. And employers / colleges etc know in 2020 they can be online shamed, review bombed etc. unless they are seen to take action. Or who was the commentator, Craig Ramage? Who made the comment about 'young black boys' or whatever it was - career over and ruined. Dumb thing to say and he's in a position where he definitely shouldn't say it - but people in that wider industry do far worse things (illegal things) and can be welcomed back. Im in a situation at work where I manage a few people, and one of them - 23 year old fresh out of uni - just doesn't like me as a person and a manager. I was warned by a more experienced member of staff this person had a manipulative personality, and they saw signs of gaslighting from her. She's realised if she moans and complains she gets what she wants. Very argumentative and also calculated and scheming, undermines me constantly and influencing other young members of staff. She complaints to HR about the most trivial things. Apparently I'd made a comment about an all-day meeting she was in - it was something corporate and boring, not related to our line of work at all - and I must have made a light hearted, casual sarcastic comment about her staying awake during it. She then took that comment to HR and my line manager and complained about it. Also complained about me and another manager because recommendations she'd made about improving some processes were not implemented as quickly as we said they would (because there is a much bigger situation in the world right now....). I'm now in a situation where I have to record every meeting with her because I can't risk anything being taken out of context and taken straight to HR. Have you shagged her yet? She'd whinge about the standard of that as well.
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Post by Hobhead on Nov 5, 2020 11:55:08 GMT
Have you shagged her yet? She'd whinge about the standard of that as well. With some justification for a change.
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Post by Hoochy on Nov 5, 2020 12:47:04 GMT
Definitely a bully in the office. Little man syndrome no doubt. I'm on her side. Is she single?
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Post by tetchyarse on Nov 5, 2020 13:01:58 GMT
"Cancel culture" is just something right-wingers whinge about without any actual basis in reality. But it's an idea that has stuck despite having no basis in reality because right-wingers just love to play the victim card. It's like "virtue-signalling", which is just another right-wing bullshit term that means nothing, has no basis in reality, but lets them feel all victimised, the poor dears. America has been polarised for a very long time- Al Gore lost by 600 votes and a dodgy Supreme Court decision in 2000 and so we got 8 years of Dubya and the Iraq War. This election isn't new except Trump is transparent in saying he will lie and cheat if he doesn't get his own way. As for polling, the issue is that polling generally predicts national trends but elections under FPTP don't reflect national trends. Biden has already won more votes than any other challenger in history. Clinton comprehensively won the popular vote, but racked up huge wins where it didn't matter not where it counted. It's the same in the UK, it's not huge numbers of secret voters that swing elections, it's a small number of people in a small number of states/seats. Trump has done very well in the states Republucans always do well in, likewise Biden in true blue states. And the states everyone called as close have turned out to be close. But 'cancel culture' isn't just part of politics. (Maybe more doxxing? I don't know, whatever the term is) It is often the desire to ruin someone because they may have a view, opinion or make a joke about something deemed not 'morally' right - and in the digital age, its easier and more vicious to do that as they know they punishment is far greater than the crime actually being committed. But usually seen as a tool of the 'left' you're seeing the 'right' side give it back as well. It's like on Twitter - say someone makes a joke about the Bradford fire, then you have people trying to track down their employer / college etc. demanding they take action against the person because they made a sick joke. Yeah, someone saying that is a dickhead - but you don't need to ruin their life over it. We've all seen it. And employers / colleges etc know in 2020 they can be online shamed, review bombed etc. unless they are seen to take action. Or who was the commentator, Craig Ramage? Who made the comment about 'young black boys' or whatever it was - career over and ruined. Dumb thing to say and he's in a position where he definitely shouldn't say it - but people in that wider industry do far worse things (illegal things) and can be welcomed back. Im in a situation at work where I manage a few people, and one of them - 23 year old fresh out of uni - just doesn't like me as a person and a manager. I was warned by a more experienced member of staff this person had a manipulative personality, and they saw signs of gaslighting from her. She's realised if she moans and complains she gets what she wants. Very argumentative and also calculated and scheming, undermines me constantly and influencing other young members of staff. She complaints to HR about the most trivial things. Apparently I'd made a comment about an all-day meeting she was in - it was something corporate and boring, not related to our line of work at all - and I must have made a light hearted, casual sarcastic comment about her staying awake during it. She then took that comment to HR and my line manager and complained about it. Also complained about me and another manager because recommendations she'd made about improving some processes were not implemented as quickly as we said they would (because there is a much bigger situation in the world right now....). I'm now in a situation where I have to record every meeting with her because I can't risk anything being taken out of context and taken straight to HR. I've managed people like that, too. It's horrible, you have my sympathy. It's really hard to get a grip against gaslighters, they just waste so much energy, but at least your senior colleagues know the score. I've also had countless people who've not liked a decision my organisation have made to not allow a speaker (I was a middle manager in a students' union in London for years) going straight to the papers about how "free speech" is being affected, with the usual papers making the usual noise. We were specifically ordered by the police not to allow them as they were considered extremist and it simply wasn't safe, but of course we couldn't say that, so we just got countless shitty emails. We mainly did that to Islamic extremists but also a fair few far-right extremists, which is where the papers got so noisy. Naturally the usual suspects at the usual papers weren't quite so bothered when the Islamic extremists were not allowed in. Tasteless jokes on social media are an awkward one. I now work for a government (not in the UK) and our social media policy is basically "don't say anything you wouldn't say in the office", which I think is good advice. Social media isn't the same as making a bad joke down the pub. But equally the hysterical "sack them!" lynch mobs are ridiculous. As you say, unless they're commenting in a professional capacity, there's no need to go running to their boss. Just call them a twat and move on.
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