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Post by jose on Nov 2, 2020 11:33:57 GMT
By clapping harder? Usual nonsense here really, disappointing. How is it down to the fans? It's proof positive that the booing etc has absolutely zero impact as previously mentioned as there's no one in the ground and we're still beaten 0-3 by Newport. The main issue was ourselves winning the salary cap before it was even announced. Abysmal. widthofapost.com/2020/11/02/how-can-we-better-support-bradford-city-managers/
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Post by Dick on Nov 2, 2020 11:51:29 GMT
Give them the right tools. Not spend millions on staff, but no-one can defend the manager doing a scouting role. On an iPad.
Things like shocking transfer windows - people are seeing Samuels as a more desperate signing than Guthrie was when we knew in January Vaughan was probably out the door permanently. And better media training - its 13 years on and McCall still sounds like its 2007 with some of the boasts, clangers and confusing statements that don't match the rest of the club.
McCall reminds me years ago when I was an office manager - staff ended up taking the piss as I did more and more to protect them (more like, stop them from endless moaning and complaining), ending up doing to much for too many people, while being manipulated by my own staff. Drove me to stress. You can almost see it in his face and hear in voice - a bit now but really bad in his first spell.
McCall defends and protects players too much. His first spell was awful in how they blatantly took the piss as he was on the verge of tears in interviews, talking personally to fans in away ends etc. He doesn't need to scald them at the moment, but tell them they collectively need more leadership, organisation and players who can grind out ugly results and he's going into the market for that purpose.
McCall does way more than a modern manager should. He's never had the right set-up around him, but he knows the club too well in that it while as a poor setup has given us rare success over the years, he can it himself.
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Post by Neshead on Nov 2, 2020 12:29:48 GMT
For the long term any manager who comes in needs a back room worthy of a team with ambition and go forward. This includes dedicated data analysis and scouting, along with more specialist coaches. This has to be aligned with a strategy to get the best out of these new members of staff, running in sync with a management team to produce the best results on the pitch. But as we know this costs money and needs a CEO willing to ask the owner to push the boat out. Im pretty sure this sort of idea will have been talked about behind the scenes but would have probably been ignored by the guy running the ship.............
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Post by Fat Ade on Nov 2, 2020 12:35:23 GMT
For the long term any manager who comes in needs a back room worthy of a team with ambition and go forward. This includes dedicated data analysis and scouting, along with more specialist coaches. This has to be aligned with a strategy to get the best out of these new members of staff, running in sync with a management team to produce the best results on the pitch. But as we know this costs money and needs a CEO willing to ask the owner to push the boat out. Im pretty sure this sort of idea will have been talked about behind the scenes but would have probably been ignored by the guy running the ship............. A-fucking-men bruva Close thread
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Post by mikehunt on Nov 2, 2020 13:26:50 GMT
For the long term any manager who comes in needs a back room worthy of a team with ambition and go forward. This includes dedicated data analysis and scouting, along with more specialist coaches. This has to be aligned with a strategy to get the best out of these new members of staff, running in sync with a management team to produce the best results on the pitch. But as we know this costs money and needs a CEO willing to ask the owner to push the boat out. Im pretty sure this sort of idea will have been talked about behind the scenes but would have probably been ignored by the guy running the ship............. Said it many times, having twenty years experience in football is different to having one years experience 20 times over. The football club is still run like it’s 1998. For some relatively small investments in nutrition, position specific fitness, recovery, analytics and recruitment, the millions spunked on the likes of Akpan, Riley, McLean, sacking a manager and rebuilding the squad annually could have been avoided or at least minimised. It doesn’t have to be a full time nutritionist or fitness expert, share it with Bulls or someone, have a consultant set it up and come in twice a month with a junior person run it day to But there’s nothing there about getting the edge, marginal gains, over other clubs. I’d bet at this level with the money City have had from cup runs and sell ons we could have set all of the up and be reaping the benefit for years. Instead what do we have? A club flogging the contents of its kit room cupboard to stay afloat. Fucking shambles.
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Post by Neshead on Nov 2, 2020 13:45:34 GMT
For the long term any manager who comes in needs a back room worthy of a team with ambition and go forward. This includes dedicated data analysis and scouting, along with more specialist coaches. This has to be aligned with a strategy to get the best out of these new members of staff, running in sync with a management team to produce the best results on the pitch. But as we know this costs money and needs a CEO willing to ask the owner to push the boat out. Im pretty sure this sort of idea will have been talked about behind the scenes but would have probably been ignored by the guy running the ship............. Said it many times, having twenty years experience in football is different to having one years experience 20 times over. The football club is still run like it’s 1998. For some relatively small investments in nutrition, position specific fitness, recovery, analytics and recruitment, the millions spunked on the likes of Akpan, Riley, McLean, sacking a manager and rebuilding the squad annually could have been avoided or at least minimised. It doesn’t have to be a full time nutritionist or fitness expert, share it with Bulls or someone, have a consultant set it up and come in twice a month with a junior person run it day to But there’s nothing there about getting the edge, marginal gains, over other clubs. I’d bet at this level with the money City have had from cup runs and sell ons we could have set all of the up and be reaping the benefit for years. Instead what do we have? A club flogging the contents of its kit room cupboard to stay afloat. Fucking shambles. Take covid out of the equation, what are we? I must have asked this countless times but what is the long term plan? If I was an owner of a business with employers the least I'd expect to have is a strategy that determines my choice of CEO and the management structure below. Each with its own set of parameters and goals attached, key performance indicators showing the progress all along the way. The most important aspect of all this is that the owner/s have to want and believe that the end goal is success. Without it there is no point.
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Post by bantam147 on Nov 2, 2020 15:31:04 GMT
None of it is rocket science in terms of complexity, though I accept its easier said than done - we've called out what's needed on here multiple times. And for all that Rhodes want to dismiss 'social media types', never once do I recall anyone on here saying 'give the manager a bigger budget'.
How do we better support managers? We start with appointing a CEO who's primary motivation is taking this football club forward on the field. That doesn't mean being financially reckless, but it does mean that success is measured by much more than the balance sheet. We have to establish a leadership structure throughout the club that modernizes our whole approach - so if the CEO isn't a 'footballing man', then we appoint a football director. Someone who has accountability for the footballing blueprint that underpins the club - style of play, type of player, scouting and recruitment, coaching, nutrition. And likewise, if the CEO IS a footballing man, bring in a Commercial Director. However its done, we need experiencing and capable professionals running both the football and commercial operation. Aligned to a common plan for how and over what timeline we plan to develop. Even the basics - our youth teams don't play the same system as the first team - when I see their line ups via facebook, they're 4411 every time. Establish a plan that runs right through the club. Invest in the fabric. Establish a funding model that has a longer term ethos than a season by season 'we have a deficit to cover' mentality.
INVESTMENT has to be mapped out and considered. I could pitch plan as to how 10m over the next 5 years would not only transform the club, but could very well deliver a return and establish a model whereby we're increasing revenue through much better scouting and recruitment. There's risk, of course - but there's as much, if not more risk attached to having a plan that's based on standing still. Or worse, having no plan at all.
There's no growth or ambition mindset at the club. And as with any industry, when that becomes the case you either die slowly or you die fast.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Nov 2, 2020 16:53:57 GMT
I can't face reading it, it will be full of football fucktards screaming about how Stuart isn't being given a chance and reverting back to how he inherited pp's nucleus and rode the crest of a feel good wave and not the fact he's a terrible tactition.
The soppyeyed fans are those that still tweeting and banging on about that Chelsea game. They live in a world where they think if they believe hard eniugh their hopes will come true. I love Stuart, we all love Stuart but he is not a good coach. With a very poor infrastructure you can't have a poor coach too because this is what happens. It's this short termism that is fucking our club up, the people in charge of this club have robbed Peter to pay Paul for far too long and cutting corners on cheap coaches has been far too popular with the chairmen/CEO'S.
Now is the time to rip this club to pieces and start again. If Jenkins is coming in let him do his thing and bring in a coach who can actually coach. Get us safe and plan for the summer with a plan, a real plan not one written on the back of a beer mat.
At some point these fans that keep giving the club a reason to fail and refuse to criticise have to stop and think what's best for the club. They have to accept that Stuart the player, the club hero, the very nice bloke and the one we all want to succeed is not Stuart the manager.
It's time for the Jenkins? revolution it's time to cut our culture of accepting failure, its time to let the Stuart McCall dream go, it's time to reinvent this club and let someone bigger and better than what we are awake this comatosed giant.
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Post by tetchyarse on Nov 2, 2020 18:33:38 GMT
Parkinson was, in many ways, a football dinosaur. But the first thing he did was get a sports psychologist in to shore up the mentality of the players, before getting proper scouts in too.
A lot of it isn't rocket science but seems to elude our most recent managers. I get the feeling Grayson would have gone down that route had Edin let him, but there were never any fathomable decisions from BowyerS.
McCall doesn't have what it takes, and never really has. It isn't a surprise to see it falling apart again. I wish it was different, but it's no shock it isn't.
As for "fan negativity", the games against Lincoln and Newport took place behind closed doors, so fuck off with that excuse. And if players can't cope with criticism after losing 5-0 at home then, quite frankly, they should retire as they're clearly in the wrong profession.
I'm not saying we should go down the Brian Laws route and start throwing plates at people, but McCall is the players' boss not their mate. He doesn't seem to be able to manage that. There's putting your faith in players and there's letting them take the piss. Look at Guthrie slsetting himself a target of ten goals and Stuart lapping it up as a sign of ambition rather than the bare minimum. Ten goals. Dave Syers scored more than that. Jesus wept.
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Post by Dick on Nov 2, 2020 18:44:29 GMT
If you can define success, I wonder how many club favourites have had success as managers of their clubs.
Bet it's not fucking many.
The way you can look at it is think back to when he returned - if it wasn't for his reputation as a player he'd never have considered for another spell.
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Post by Bacon on Nov 2, 2020 19:01:02 GMT
If you can define success, I wonder how many club favourites have had success as managers of their clubs. Bet it's not fucking many. The way you can look at it is think back to when he returned - if it wasn't for his reputation as a player he'd never have considered for another spell. Neil Harris. In fact he's not in a job at the moment is he?
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Post by hobbes on Nov 2, 2020 19:02:11 GMT
If you can define success, I wonder how many club favourites have had success as managers of their clubs. Bet it's not fucking many. The way you can look at it is think back to when he returned - if it wasn't for his reputation as a player he'd never have considered for another spell. Neil Harris. In fact he's not in a job at the moment is he? Cardiff boss isnt it?
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Post by Bacon on Nov 2, 2020 19:02:15 GMT
If you can define success, I wonder how many club favourites have had success as managers of their clubs. Bet it's not fucking many. The way you can look at it is think back to when he returned - if it wasn't for his reputation as a player he'd never have considered for another spell. Neil Harris. In fact he's not in a job at the moment is he? He's at Cardiff. Still, Huw will bamboozle him with a bit of Welsh and it'll be a done deal.
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Sparks is a cunt Bantam
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Post by moshi on Nov 2, 2020 19:56:43 GMT
Seem to recall I wasn’t the only one pointing out that it was poor at the time. The club didn’t listen then and it won’t now. Whether it’s because there is a owner who doesn’t give a shit or a unwillingness to invest or both. If Stuart was the owner with the millions, it’d be different.
The only way forward is a new owner who’s willing to implement some of the ideas above. It’s not hard. But the one who’s signing the cheques needs to believe in it sand the person heading it up should preferably have experience of similar turn arounds in their career.
Rupp got a bit salty the last time a fly over was threatened and it seemed to prompt a kick up the arse. His name being dragged the mud publicly didn’t seem an idea he was keen on - perhaps it’d be an embarrassing talking point at the country club.
That’s what it’s going take. Not buying the BuT tHeReS nOt ExAcTlY a QuEuE oF nEw OwNeRs. There’s been at least two approaches that have been documented that were put off by an exorbitant asking price.
Nothing will change while Rupp is here, unless any of us have a few million lying around that we can use to restructure the football side of things and implement a plan.
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Sparks is a cunt Bantam
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Post by moshi on Nov 2, 2020 20:01:03 GMT
Said it many times, having twenty years experience in football is different to having one years experience 20 times over. The football club is still run like it’s 1998. For some relatively small investments in nutrition, position specific fitness, recovery, analytics and recruitment, the millions spunked on the likes of Akpan, Riley, McLean, sacking a manager and rebuilding the squad annually could have been avoided or at least minimised. It doesn’t have to be a full time nutritionist or fitness expert, share it with Bulls or someone, have a consultant set it up and come in twice a month with a junior person run it day to But there’s nothing there about getting the edge, marginal gains, over other clubs. I’d bet at this level with the money City have had from cup runs and sell ons we could have set all of the up and be reaping the benefit for years. Instead what do we have? A club flogging the contents of its kit room cupboard to stay afloat. Fucking shambles. Take covid out of the equation, what are we? I must have asked this countless times but what is the long term plan? If I was an owner of a business with employers the least I'd expect to have is a strategy that determines my choice of CEO and the management structure below. Each with its own set of parameters and goals attached, key performance indicators showing the progress all along the way. The most important aspect of all this is that the owner/s have to want and believe that the end goal is success. Without it there is no point. Can’t be arsed to dig out the link but during the preseason fan forum Sparks said Rupps aim was for there to remain a professional football club in Bradford. As things have unfolded, and as many predicted, they aimed for the bottom rung from the outset. It’s early days but they may fail to reach that goal.
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Post by Bradford Wild Boars. on Nov 2, 2020 20:33:41 GMT
People keep mentioning Jenkins, but it seems to be very quiet on that front now. I would be surprised if he still wants in looking at the state we are in.
Worse still I can't see Rhodes choosing anybody who doesn't match his own beige pattern.
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Post by Lofty on Nov 2, 2020 21:31:39 GMT
Neil Harris. In fact he's not in a job at the moment is he? He's at Cardiff. Still, Huw will bamboozle him with a bit of Welsh and it'll be a done deal. Neil Harris is an absolute cunt. Just what we need. Imagine him saying we have to respect Harrogate or Barrow?
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Post by Hoochy on Nov 2, 2020 22:47:53 GMT
By clapping harder? Usual nonsense here really, disappointing. How is it down to the fans? It's proof positive that the booing etc has absolutely zero impact as previously mentioned as there's no one in the ground and we're still beaten 0-3 by Newport. The main issue was ourselves winning the salary cap before it was even announced. Abysmal. widthofapost.com/2020/11/02/how-can-we-better-support-bradford-city-managers/Imagine RTing all the positive praise of your article. 🤮🤮 I don't know why some people bother with social media when what they actually want is an echo chamber.
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Post by hobbes on Nov 2, 2020 23:09:30 GMT
By clapping harder? Usual nonsense here really, disappointing. How is it down to the fans? It's proof positive that the booing etc has absolutely zero impact as previously mentioned as there's no one in the ground and we're still beaten 0-3 by Newport. The main issue was ourselves winning the salary cap before it was even announced. Abysmal. widthofapost.com/2020/11/02/how-can-we-better-support-bradford-city-managers/Imagine RTing all the positive praise of your article. 🤮🤮 I don't know why some people bother with social media when what they actually want is an echo chamber. I noticed that. Went on their page to find the article, had to scroll down through 30 retweets to get to it. Arse.
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Post by Hobhead on Nov 3, 2020 5:30:32 GMT
Tell you what, if the ethos does ever change from the top down at this dying club we can all thank WOAP afterwards for being at the vanguard of change.
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