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Post by Hoochy on Nov 23, 2020 23:05:00 GMT
Law was Richmond's, and Robson and Todd were Gibb's. Sacking Todd was on Rhodes, and we wouldn't have gone down if we'd kept him. Other than Jackson, the frustrating thing is that there isn't anyone on that list who made you think "bad manager" at the time, Taylor especially. As for the ground, Gibb fucked us over properly on that. For all the whining at the time that he was being made to look like the bad guy, he was why we went into admin the second time. The "deal to cut the rent" would have screwed us if we'd gone back up to the Championship. With hindsight that's not an issue, mind. Rhodes hasn't owned the club for years but Gibb still hasn't sold it back. Maybe he just forgot. The idea that Gibb was wonderful and amazing and was screwed over by Rhodes is laughable. He got the ground off us for a song and then we didn't see him for dust, taking his bat and ball home long before we were relegated out of D1. That second admin was all on Gibb, he'd stripped all the assets he could and then left Rhodes to pick up the pieces. That's not the way I've heard it. JR deliberately missed a payment when GG was out of the country forcing us into administration. Remember GG going on the pitch to tell the fans? Toxic times. I think the Pension Fund was the best offer on the table for the ground at the time so not sure if he screwed us over. No doubt the fund has made a very healthy profit for almost 20 years but if we'd not gone into admin, we might not have had to sell the ground in the first place.
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Post by Hoochy on Nov 23, 2020 23:21:38 GMT
Back to present day fuck ups, the last season and a bit have been spectacularly bad for the JR machine. We gave BowyerS the keys to the safe and signed Vaughan to fire us out of the league. A good initial start was well and truly Bowyered and it culminated in Vaughan being forced out with the board backing their manager over a falling out. They then sack the manager a few days later, after the transfer window, after he's signed some right shite.
The Bowyer effect saw us drop out of the top 7 (predicted on here in September or October?) and also saw us lose Vaughan's goodwill. He was never going to play for us again after all that. The dreadful form (predicted on here in September or October even when we were top 3, top 5, top 7) meant that the Covid calculator saw us finish out of the top 7 and deservedly so. What a fucking dreadful time to sack a manager. That's on Rhodes. The wee scroll through his whatsapp chats to ask Stuart back straight away is beyond lazy. UnFiNiShEd BuSiNeSs.
Into this season and we plod along pretending we'll compete to sell season tickets but then JR comes out in an interview and says we'll be lucky to survive the season and mid table safety is the key. In the midst of a worldwide pandemic with clubs that rely on their 2000 fans seeing them through each month on their arse financially, we're trying our best to just tread water. We made noises that we wanted to be big wage spenders and voted against the salary cap but we've spent fuck all and not replaced Vauaghan. Or Doyle.
2 wasted seasons.
We've now entrusted JR to find his own replacement. Judging his modus operandi, will he be getting a dynamic go-getter or another plodder content to balance the books. No risk, no ambition.
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Post by tetchyarse on Nov 24, 2020 8:38:02 GMT
I've since heard more, but it doesn't change the fact Gibb fucked us on the ground. Maybe it was to get his own back at Rhodes, who knows, but he's made milllions off our back. He didn't rush to sell to Rupp.
Balancing the books isn't a bad thing, I generally don't think we should be spending more than we receive on playing staff. But it's the short-termism that does my head in. Buying a new training ground, one that's not on a school playing field in a flood plain, isn't a financial loss, but Rhodes doesn't see investment in infrastructure differently to spending on players. It's why we have nothing to show for the windfalls, like the two cup runs. McBurnie's money could have bought a training ground, but no.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Nov 25, 2020 7:53:12 GMT
We’re basically back where we were in 2010. What a waste of a decade.
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Post by Mossley Bantam on Nov 25, 2020 8:36:05 GMT
We’re basically back where we were in 2010. What a waste of a decade. What a waste of the Parky years too. We were genuinely going places. Slow and steady progression. The club was attracting 18k-20k crowds in the Third Division. We had 21k v Chesterfield for an end of season dead rubber in 15/16 - foundations were there to build a long term, Championship club. And we tossed it all away. That makes me angry. Huddersfield have been Championship or higher since 2012. Leeds have been there years and are back in the Prem. Barnsley and Rotherham have both spent significant time in the Championship in the last decade. Sheffield Utd who we more than competed with in the time frame mentioned still, albeit struggling, in the Prem. Why can't that be us? Why do we have to 'accept our place in Div 3 and 4'? Why are we the ambitionless, happy to survive, scrape by club? It makes me angry and when you see fans saying they're happy to be where we are it makes literally zero sense to me.
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Post by mikehunt on Nov 25, 2020 11:19:25 GMT
We’re basically back where we were in 2010. What a waste of a decade. What a waste of the Parky years too. We were genuinely going places. Slow and steady progression. The club was attracting 18k-20k crowds in the Third Division. We had 21k v Chesterfield for an end of season dead rubber in 15/16 - foundations were there to build a long term, Championship club. And we tossed it all away. That makes me angry. Huddersfield have been Championship or higher since 2012. Leeds have been there years and are back in the Prem. Barnsley and Rotherham have both spent significant time in the Championship in the last decade. Sheffield Utd who we more than competed with in the time frame mentioned still, albeit struggling, in the Prem. Why can't that be us? Why do we have to 'accept our place in Div 3 and 4'? Why are we the ambitionless, happy to survive, scrape by club? It makes me angry and when you see fans saying they're happy to be where we are it makes literally zero sense to me. Kept Meredith, added Dack and a proper hard bastard centre half and with Wyke there would have a been a good spine to build a team around. Instead Rahic and Rupp threw it away and Rhodes hadn’t stopped the decline. Said it many times, club needs to stop the rot and get the connection with the fans going again or the good times aren’t coming back and City will end up like Bulls.
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Post by jdc on Nov 26, 2020 23:57:15 GMT
Why do we have to 'accept our place in Div 3 and 4'? Why are we the ambitionless, happy to survive, scrape by club? It makes me angry and when you see fans saying they're happy to be where we are it makes literally zero sense to me. We won't have to next year. We'll be breaking with tradition altogether and taking our new place in the football pyramid - the National League.
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Post by tetchyarse on Nov 27, 2020 18:50:50 GMT
What a waste of the Parky years too. We were genuinely going places. Slow and steady progression. The club was attracting 18k-20k crowds in the Third Division. We had 21k v Chesterfield for an end of season dead rubber in 15/16 - foundations were there to build a long term, Championship club. And we tossed it all away. That makes me angry. Huddersfield have been Championship or higher since 2012. Leeds have been there years and are back in the Prem. Barnsley and Rotherham have both spent significant time in the Championship in the last decade. Sheffield Utd who we more than competed with in the time frame mentioned still, albeit struggling, in the Prem. Why can't that be us? Why do we have to 'accept our place in Div 3 and 4'? Why are we the ambitionless, happy to survive, scrape by club? It makes me angry and when you see fans saying they're happy to be where we are it makes literally zero sense to me. Kept Meredith, added Dack and a proper hard bastard centre half and with Wyke there would have a been a good spine to build a team around. Instead Rahic and Rupp threw it away and Rhodes hadn’t stopped the decline. Said it many times, club needs to stop the rot and get the connection with the fans going again or the good times aren’t coming back and City will end up like Bulls. We already have gone the same way as the Bulls. I don't see us staying in the league now. We'll be the first Premier League side to go all the way down and out into oblivion. And even then we'll get Dewhirst and Neale getting all excited at the new grounds, baying for positivity. At least you can have a pint when watching the game at non-league grounds. I live on the Isle of Man. We've just set up a semi-pro side, it's in step 6 of non-league. Same level as Bury's Phoenix club, the same level Wimbledon started at. And you know what? There's more chance of FC IOM getting to the Championship.
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