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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Nov 28, 2020 22:35:15 GMT
Don't talk shite, having DMH BRE and The Don are fucking useless and that's more than 10%. Sikora and Cousin-Dawson could not do any worse than BRE so write his wages off relegate him to the kids and tell him to rot or fuck off in January. DMH should go to the u14s he might look half decent then. These are Stuart's decisions and it was his decision to have a small squad, he brought in players he knew were shite, he didn't spend a third of the salary cap that's his fault. He spent 7 months knowing the areas we needed to be better in and he made us worse in almost every position,AND refused an offer for Guthrie!!!! Even the Orient commentary team took the piss out of us having him. There is nobody else to blame for being out of all competitions and staring the conference in the face apart from Stuart. God I love the man but he's now losing my respect and his hero status is diminishing every game and that fucking hurts. Is it his fault though? Plenty on here called it and saw it coming. Squad not good enough. You think an ex pro who has management experience thought otherwise? Not buying it, Stuart’s budget was slashed dramatically and the people who appointed knew he would not moan about it. Look at the last time he was here. All the shit that went on with Rahic. Did he ever talk about it post match? No he kept his mouth shut. For all his baffling tactical decisions, it’s painfully obvious this situation is not entirely his fault. Pick any manager you want, no one is going to getting measurably better results from this sack of shite. We can only spend the same as any other team, he said it's his decision not to spend the full amount. All of the players brought in we're his decision we've wasted about 65k on keeping Guthrie and giving DMH a contract that would have got us a decent player at this level. Is he hamstrung by the terrible infrastructure? of course he is, but he's fucked up massively with his own recruitment and tactics. It's awful and he's failed everywhere he's been. He's quite simply not cut out for management, he's an old player that loves being in a changing room and it's costing us yet again.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Nov 28, 2020 22:35:26 GMT
This is basically my argument. I don’t know what’s involved in being a football manager but I’d expect there’s budgets to work in, targets to hit, constraints. Expecting Stuart to be solely responsible for everything on the playing side is setting him up to fail. I don’t think it’s him, I think it’s the strictures he’s stuck in. The problems go deeper than Stuart McCall, we all know this as better managers than Stuart McCall have failed here. But Stuart McCall is a significant part of the problem. He’s not the best tbf, but he’d do the job if he had the players. Little bit chicken and egg innit.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Nov 28, 2020 22:37:08 GMT
Is it his fault though? Plenty on here called it and saw it coming. Squad not good enough. You think an ex pro who has management experience thought otherwise? Not buying it, Stuart’s budget was slashed dramatically and the people who appointed knew he would not moan about it. Look at the last time he was here. All the shit that went on with Rahic. Did he ever talk about it post match? No he kept his mouth shut. For all his baffling tactical decisions, it’s painfully obvious this situation is not entirely his fault. Pick any manager you want, no one is going to getting measurably better results from this sack of shite. We can only spend the same as any other team, he said it's his decision not to spend the full amount. All of the players brought in we're his decision we've wasted about 65k on keeping Guthrie and giving DMH a contract that would have got us a decent player at this level. Is he hamstrung by the terrible infrastructure? of course he is, but he's fucked up massively with his own recruitment and tactics. It's awful and he's failed everywhere he's been. He's quite simply not cut out for management, he's an old player that loves being in a changing room and it's costing us yet again. Should he even be responsible for recruitment though? He should have a say obviously, but it shouldn’t just be down to him. He’s got enough on his plate, course he’s gonna ring old mates.
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Post by Hobhead on Nov 29, 2020 9:02:29 GMT
We can only spend the same as any other team, he said it's his decision not to spend the full amount. All of the players brought in we're his decision we've wasted about 65k on keeping Guthrie and giving DMH a contract that would have got us a decent player at this level. Is he hamstrung by the terrible infrastructure? of course he is, but he's fucked up massively with his own recruitment and tactics. It's awful and he's failed everywhere he's been. He's quite simply not cut out for management, he's an old player that loves being in a changing room and it's costing us yet again. Should he even be responsible for recruitment though? He should have a say obviously, but it shouldn’t just be down to him. He’s got enough on his plate, course he’s gonna ring old mates. This is the problem with sacking McCall, whoever comes in will be working under the same pathetic constraints. Either the hierarchy gets their act together and drives the club forward or we appoint someone like the Cowley’s* and let them fix the club over several seasons. Just hiring McCall longer term fixes none of our problems and sadly he’ll end up bearing the brunt of it all. *I realise that the Cowleys are pure pie in the sky though so we’re looking to the hierarchy which essentially means we’re fucked.
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Post by Neshead on Nov 29, 2020 9:24:46 GMT
Should he even be responsible for recruitment though? He should have a say obviously, but it shouldn’t just be down to him. He’s got enough on his plate, course he’s gonna ring old mates. This is the problem with sacking McCall, whoever comes in will be working under the same pathetic constraints. Either the hierarchy gets their act together and drives the club forward or we appoint someone like the Cowley’s* and let them fix the club over several seasons. Just hiring McCall longer term fixes none of our problems and sadly he’ll end up bearing the brunt of it all. *I realise that the Cowleys are pure pie in the sky though so we’re looking to the hierarchy which essentially means we’re fucked. Reading the various city platforms there are still one or two pockets of resistance (crazy i know) that believe its still thye fault of the fans for being negative, obviously not on here. At what point do these fools wake and smell the coffee? We aren't just getting beat, go read what other fans think of our team after seeing us. A quick glance on the Oldham baord, a team struggling a month ago, paints a sobering picture. And i could mention this for a fair few games this season, off the top of my head Newport, Salford, Harrogate, Oldham, first half against Exeter, even the defeat at Barrow. Games where we haven't just been beaten, we've looked like a nailed on relegation side. Thisn't the fault of one individual such as BRE, this is a systematic failure of those running the club over the last three years to a point of no return. Rupp primarily because he is the common denominator throughout this whole shitshow but also Julian Rhodes who has left us on the precipice of non league football and left us with an ambitious but complete rookie with no experience in charge of the whole operation. We quite rightly blame Edin for being a puppetmaster with the Michael Collins fiasco but this is exactly what Rhodes has done with Ryan Sparks and the appointment of McCall, nigh on to hanging Sparks out to dry and leaving us with a manager who has previous for collapsing when the chips are down. How the hell could any organisation, let alone a football club, expect to survive under these circumstances. We couldn't have planned better for non league football if we had gone to the EFL and asked them to terminate our league status. We might get lucky, Southend have had serious off field problems that sees them anchored to the foot of the table, there may be a Stevenage or similar who keep us just long enough above the trap door. But christ this is where this club now finds itself, hoping that there are two worse clubs in the entire football league pyramid. And to go back to the first paragraph, those who think that clapping your hands louder and faster and getting behnd the lads FFS, i've got news for them. It don't work. Ever heard the saying you can't polish a turd? Well that turd is freshly laid virtually every other game this season. And the worst thing? It could have been so easily avoided if the ones in charge had listened to certain people at the club, even us batshit crazy whoppers on here. But, as we've seen far too often over the past 3 years, its easier to stick your head in the sand and apportion blame elsewhere. Someone turn the lights out, we're done.
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Post by Hoochy on Nov 29, 2020 10:56:13 GMT
Maybe cricket's more your game, son.
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Post by jdc on Nov 29, 2020 15:13:42 GMT
"We might get lucky, Southend have had serious off field problems that sees them anchored to the foot of the table, there may be a Stevenage or similar who keep us just long enough above the trap door."
Watching Stevenage against Hull. They look worryingly competent - I can see them finishing above us.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Nov 29, 2020 17:17:45 GMT
Parky sacked.
Just our luck 3 days after giving McCall a new contract.
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Post by Hobhead on Nov 30, 2020 7:26:52 GMT
Another tactical switch incoming. Have to admit I stopped reading after the opening line: We are not ‘attacking’. We mustered one shot on target on Saturday and we wouldn’t have managed that had the red not given a penalty.
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Post by mikehunt on Nov 30, 2020 8:06:17 GMT
Another tactical switch incoming. Have to admit I stopped reading after the opening line: We are not ‘attacking’. We mustered one shot on target on Saturday and we wouldn’t have managed that had the red not given a penalty. The more bodies the better? I thought we wanted a small squad? “I must speak to five or six agents a day and say that if they’ve got anyone put them to us and we’ll happily have a look. The more bodies the better.
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Post by Hobhead on Nov 30, 2020 8:15:54 GMT
Another tactical switch incoming. Have to admit I stopped reading after the opening line: We are not ‘attacking’. We mustered one shot on target on Saturday and we wouldn’t have managed that had the red not given a penalty. The more bodies the better? I thought we wanted a small squad? “I must speak to five or six agents a day and say that if they’ve got anyone put them to us and we’ll happily have a look. The more bodies the better. Our recruitment ‘strategy’ laid bare.
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Post by mikehunt on Nov 30, 2020 8:22:14 GMT
The more bodies the better? I thought we wanted a small squad? “I must speak to five or six agents a day and say that if they’ve got anyone put them to us and we’ll happily have a look. The more bodies the better. Our recruitment ‘strategy’ laid bare. Strategy?
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Post by tetchyarse on Nov 30, 2020 8:24:20 GMT
Parky sacked. Just our luck 3 days after giving McCall a new contract. I wouldn't have Parky back. Never go back. Shame we did with McCall, but hey ho. New DoF?
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Post by Hobhead on Nov 30, 2020 8:28:15 GMT
Parky sacked. Just our luck 3 days after giving McCall a new contract. I wouldn't have Parky back. Never go back. Shame we did with McCall, but hey ho. New DoF? The problem with Parky as DOF is that he wouldn’t recognise a decent striker if he came home and found one hanging out the back of Mrs Parky. With our forward line a priority, we’d be struggling to fix it with Parky’s hand on the tiller.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Nov 30, 2020 14:00:50 GMT
Parky sacked. Just our luck 3 days after giving McCall a new contract. I wouldn't have Parky back. Never go back. Shame we did with McCall, but hey ho. New DoF? The issue is the problems run deeper than the manager. On reflection i don't think bringing in Parky would solve much short term. Maybe we'd grind out a few ugly results. Getting Allamby would improve fitness i guess. TBF McCall could probably do a decent enough job if he had the right players at his disposal, but you could say that about 99% of managers. But the days of average managers being propped up with big budgets are gone, at least at our level. The salary cap is really sorting the wheat from the chaff in terms of coaching. Some suggesting Parky as DoF but i'm not sure how that would work given he and McCall have contrasting football philosophies. The whole club needs 'resetting', total root and branch reform from top to bottom. Strategic long term investments, a detailed roadmap, leadership and direction. Not two bob associate directors wading in every two minutes to boost their own profiles because it looks good on linked-in. Sparks needs to prove he's not a puppet and put his own stamp on things. And not be beholden to the usual hangers on and circle jerkers. And not buy into the notion that short term 'sustainability' trumps actual success. He seemed to hint we'd be focusing more on developing players in the future due to the salary cap, which seems fair enough. But, as the saying goes, you judge a tree buy it's fruit. Time will tell...
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Post by Hoochy on Nov 30, 2020 14:19:45 GMT
I wouldn't have Parky back. Never go back. Shame we did with McCall, but hey ho. New DoF? The issue is the problems run deeper than the manager. On reflection i don't think bringing in Parky would solve much short term. Maybe we'd grind out a few ugly results. Getting Allamby would improve fitness i guess. TBF McCall could probably do a decent enough job if he had the right players at his disposal, but you could say that about 99% of managers. But the days of average managers being propped up with big budgets are gone, at least at our level. The salary cap is really sorting the wheat from the chaff in terms of coaching. Some suggesting Parky as DoF but i'm not sure how that would work given he and McCall have contrasting football philosophies. The whole club needs 'resetting', total root and branch reform from top to bottom. Strategic long term investments, a detailed roadmap, leadership and direction. Not two bob associate directors wading in every two minutes to boost their own profiles because it looks good on linked-in. Sparks needs to prove he's not a puppet and put his own stamp on things. And not be beholden to the usual hangers on and circle jerkers. And not buy into the notion that short term 'sustainability' trumps actual success. He seemed to hint we'd be focusing more on developing players in the future due to the salary cap, which seems fair enough. But, as the saying goes, you judge a tree buy it's fruit. Time will tell... The trouble we have is that we're now fire fighting a relegation. Any longer term plans need putting on the back burner until we're out of this mess. I'd be looking at 5 or 6 free agents that can walk into our team. Proper men of 25+ that have bags of games under their belts. Pay them what we can until the end of the season. Forget the match fitness, I can't see them doing much worse than the match fit lads we've got on the pitch.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Nov 30, 2020 16:13:39 GMT
The trouble we have is that we're now fire fighting a relegation. Any longer term plans need putting on the back burner until we're out of this mess. I'd be looking at 5 or 6 free agents that can walk into our team. Proper men of 25+ that have bags of games under their belts. Pay them what we can until the end of the season. Forget the match fitness, I can't see them doing much worse than the match fit lads we've got on the pitch. Yeah its just a mess. Maybe their was an assumption that enough other clubs would go bust so we'd be safe regardless. Perhaps hey thought they could do it on the cheap and survive or even go up by default. An arrogant assumption that all those struggling 'small' clubs would just wave the white flag and call it a day. The trouble is gompers aspire to back where we were under Parky. ie an over achieving squad at a backward club with no real infrastructure or assets, playing at a neglected stadium. The unfortunate experience with Rahic has meant risk, investment and ambition have become dirty words. "cleaning up Edin's mess" has become the new "plugging the deficit". He fucked off 2 years ago and we've still got fuck all to show for it. If anything we've regressed.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Nov 30, 2020 16:23:16 GMT
The trouble we have is that we're now fire fighting a relegation. Any longer term plans need putting on the back burner until we're out of this mess. I'd be looking at 5 or 6 free agents that can walk into our team. Proper men of 25+ that have bags of games under their belts. Pay them what we can until the end of the season. Forget the match fitness, I can't see them doing much worse than the match fit lads we've got on the pitch. Yeah its just a mess. Maybe their was an assumption that enough other clubs would go bust so we'd be safe regardless. Perhaps hey thought they could do it on the cheap and survive or even go up by default. An arrogant assumption that all those struggling 'small' clubs would just wave the white flag and call it a day. The trouble is gompers aspire to back where we were under Parky. ie an over achieving squad at a backward club with no real infrastructure or assets, playing at a neglected stadium. The unfortunate experience with Rahic has meant risk, investment and ambition have become dirty words. "cleaning up Edin's mess" has become the new "plugging the deficit". He fucked off 2 years ago and we've still got fuck all to show for it. If anything we've regressed. Remember Rupp saying " I accept responsibility for all that's happened and I'll do everything I can to get this club back to where they were" obviously he meant " I'm gonna do fuck all you failure loving fucktards hahahaha 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕 "
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Post by tetchyarse on Nov 30, 2020 20:02:06 GMT
Yeah its just a mess. Maybe their was an assumption that enough other clubs would go bust so we'd be safe regardless. Perhaps hey thought they could do it on the cheap and survive or even go up by default. An arrogant assumption that all those struggling 'small' clubs would just wave the white flag and call it a day. The trouble is gompers aspire to back where we were under Parky. ie an over achieving squad at a backward club with no real infrastructure or assets, playing at a neglected stadium. The unfortunate experience with Rahic has meant risk, investment and ambition have become dirty words. "cleaning up Edin's mess" has become the new "plugging the deficit". He fucked off 2 years ago and we've still got fuck all to show for it. If anything we've regressed. Remember Rupp saying " I accept responsibility for all that's happened and I'll do everything I can to get this club back to where they were" obviously he meant " I'm gonna do fuck all you failure loving fucktards hahahaha 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕 " He has got us back to where we were...in 2010.
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Post by Bacon on Nov 30, 2020 20:57:22 GMT
I wouldn't have Parky back. Never go back. Shame we did with McCall, but hey ho. New DoF? The issue is the problems run deeper than the manager. On reflection i don't think bringing in Parky would solve much short term. Maybe we'd grind out a few ugly results. Getting Allamby would improve fitness i guess. TBF McCall could probably do a decent enough job if he had the right players at his disposal, but you could say that about 99% of managers. But the days of average managers being propped up with big budgets are gone, at least at our level. The salary cap is really sorting the wheat from the chaff in terms of coaching. Some suggesting Parky as DoF but i'm not sure how that would work given he and McCall have contrasting football philosophies. The whole club needs 'resetting', total root and branch reform from top to bottom. Strategic long term investments, a detailed roadmap, leadership and direction. Not two bob associate directors wading in every two minutes to boost their own profiles because it looks good on linked-in. Sparks needs to prove he's not a puppet and put his own stamp on things. And not be beholden to the usual hangers on and circle jerkers. And not buy into the notion that short term 'sustainability' trumps actual success. He seemed to hint we'd be focusing more on developing players in the future due to the salary cap, which seems fair enough. But, as the saying goes, you judge a tree buy it's fruit. Time will tell... You judge a tree buy its fruit? You're just making this shit up.
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