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Post by bantam147 on Oct 12, 2020 22:24:43 GMT
Actually enjoyed watching him. Proper centre forward play. Old as fuck but contributed more to his team than our fucking dross. The most enjoyable moment of the night for me was about 64 mins in. Cooke took the ball on the half turn, Harrogate were stretched and he looked up and pinged a lovely ball out to French on the right hand side, and just as he received it, I let out this massive fart. A proper, rip roaring fart that lasted a good 10 seconds. And I needed it, I’d been feeling all bloated. I felt properly satisfied. Oh and by the way, French mis-controlled it, went out of play for a throw in.
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Post by Hobhead on Oct 13, 2020 6:05:24 GMT
We got raided down the wings last night - basic stuff. Both French and Wood had bad nights under constant pressure. We were overrun and outfought in central midfield which was odd given we’d sacrificed the wings for more shirts in the middle. Our attack was too slow but was also given little more than the hoof to work with. It was a shit side executing tactical suicide. Awful stuff.
The only ones who can come out of that with any sort of pride are Staunton who didn’t embarrass himself and O’Donnell who made a couple of good saves and only conceded one from over one hundred and fifty shots.
The stand out poor were Evans, Donaldo, Novak, Clarke, Sutton, French and even Wood.
This wasn’t just a 1-0 defeat to Harrogate. It was a capitulation. It was a mess. It was worrying.
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Post by bantam147 on Oct 13, 2020 6:36:17 GMT
Aye, this jigsaw's shit
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Post by moshi on Oct 13, 2020 7:21:40 GMT
The stand out poor were Evans, Donaldo, Novak, Clarke, Sutton, French and even Wood. This wasn’t just a 1-0 defeat to Harrogate. It was a capitulation. It was a mess. It was worrying. There’s something deeply unsettling seeing a usually fairly consistent player like Wood have such a poor game. The whole thing felt like reliving a Hopkinsesque nightmare.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Oct 13, 2020 7:26:35 GMT
The stand out poor were Evans, Donaldo, Novak, Clarke, Sutton, French and even Wood. This wasn’t just a 1-0 defeat to Harrogate. It was a capitulation. It was a mess. It was worrying. There’s something deeply unsettling seeing a usually fairly consistent player like Wood have such a poor game. The whole thing felt like reliving a Hopkinsesque nightmare. Playing as though he's got a move lined up?? Interesting
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Post by Neshead on Oct 13, 2020 7:30:51 GMT
We got raided down the wings last night - basic stuff. Both French and Wood had bad nights under constant pressure. We were overrun and outfought in central midfield which was odd given we’d sacrificed the wings for more shirts in the middle. Our attack was too slow but was also given little more than the hoof to work with. It was a shit side executing tactical suicide. Awful stuff. The only ones who can come out of that with any sort of pride are Staunton who didn’t embarrass himself and O’Donnell who made a couple of good saves and only conceded one from over one hundred and fifty shots. The stand out poor were Evans, Donaldo, Novak, Clarke, Sutton, French and even Wood. This wasn’t just a 1-0 defeat to Harrogate. It was a capitulation. It was a mess. It was worrying. They use their fullbacks to great effect, so what do we do? Line up in a narrow diamond that gives their fullback all the space and time on the pitch. No wonder our two were constantly pushed back. There's a clue Stuart as to why our full backs weren't delivering crosses. Because of your stupid tinkering with formation. He's got previous for it. Sutton played well last week, I know what, let's put him a completely different position, same with Evans, we'll bring him in from league 1 but with no idea of how to get the best out of him. I've been stuck in traffic this morning so had ample time to think, the more I think the more depressive last night seems. No wonder Clarke looked miffed when he came off, the lad had been hung out to dry by a manager intent on playing fifa 21 formations.
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Post by bantam147 on Oct 13, 2020 7:49:02 GMT
A big part of the reason for Wood being poor is our ‘formation’. They had the overload out wide every single time.
McCall has always been limited in terms of adjusting to games tactically, but he seems to have gone even further backwards as we’re now starting games with nonsensical systems.
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Post by Hobhead on Oct 13, 2020 7:58:00 GMT
We got raided down the wings last night - basic stuff. Both French and Wood had bad nights under constant pressure. We were overrun and outfought in central midfield which was odd given we’d sacrificed the wings for more shirts in the middle. Our attack was too slow but was also given little more than the hoof to work with. It was a shit side executing tactical suicide. Awful stuff. The only ones who can come out of that with any sort of pride are Staunton who didn’t embarrass himself and O’Donnell who made a couple of good saves and only conceded one from over one hundred and fifty shots. The stand out poor were Evans, Donaldo, Novak, Clarke, Sutton, French and even Wood. This wasn’t just a 1-0 defeat to Harrogate. It was a capitulation. It was a mess. It was worrying. They use their fullbacks to great effect, so what do we do? Line up in a narrow diamond that gives their fullback all the space and time on the pitch. No wonder our two were constantly pushed back. There's a clue Stuart as to why our full backs weren't delivering crosses. Because of your stupid tinkering with formation. He's got previous for it. Sutton played well last week, I know what, let's put him a completely different position, same with Evans, we'll bring him in from league 1 but with no idea of how to get the best out of him. I've been stuck in traffic this morning so had ample time to think, the more I think the more depressive last night seems. No wonder Clarke looked miffed when he came off, the lad had been hung out to dry by a manager intent on playing fifa 21 formations. The deeper our midfield sit the further back Clarke has to drop to get involved. He’s useless ‘in the mix’ seeing as he hasn’t got a tackle in him and needs space to operate. Clarke is easily crowded out of a game hence his only position being the ‘in the hole’ crap that gives him the space he needs but increases the use of the diamond. In hindsight it probably wasn’t a game to play Clarke last night and we should have gone 4-4-2 and doubled up on the wings. We’d still might have struggled in the centre but wouldn’t have come under nearly as much pressure as we wouldn’t have been forced deep as a result. If Stuart insists on playing Clarke then he needs to look at a straight 4-4-1-1. Our forwards are shit anyway so we may as well go with one, McCall gets to fit Clarke in and we don’t get bummed out wide and put on the back foot by teams just destroying us down the wings. Everyone got dragged back last night due to poor quality players playing a suicidal formation. To set up like that was bad, to not change it was lunacy. The players might not be good enough but if you marry that to poor tactics then you get whooped at home by Harrogate.
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Post by Neshead on Oct 13, 2020 8:01:42 GMT
They use their fullbacks to great effect, so what do we do? Line up in a narrow diamond that gives their fullback all the space and time on the pitch. No wonder our two were constantly pushed back. There's a clue Stuart as to why our full backs weren't delivering crosses. Because of your stupid tinkering with formation. He's got previous for it. Sutton played well last week, I know what, let's put him a completely different position, same with Evans, we'll bring him in from league 1 but with no idea of how to get the best out of him. I've been stuck in traffic this morning so had ample time to think, the more I think the more depressive last night seems. No wonder Clarke looked miffed when he came off, the lad had been hung out to dry by a manager intent on playing fifa 21 formations. The deeper our midfield sit the further back Clarke has to drop to get involved. He’s useless ‘in the mix’ seeing as he hasn’t got a tackle in him and needs space to operate. Clarke is easily crowded out of a game hence his only position being the ‘in the hole’ crap that gives him the space he needs but increases the use of the diamond. In hindsight it probably wasn’t a game to play Clarke last night and we should have gone 4-4-2 and doubled up on the wings. We’d still might have struggled in the centre but wouldn’t have come under nearly as much pressure as we wouldn’t have been forced deep as a result. If Stuart insists on playing Clarke then he needs to look at a straight 4-4-1-1. Our forwards are shit anyway so we may as well go with one, McCall gets to fit Clarke in and we don’t get bummed out wide and put on the back foot by teams just destroying us down the wings. Everyone got dragged back last night due to poor quality players playing a suicidal formation. To set up like that was bad, to not change it was lunacy. The players might not be good enough but if you marry that to poor tactics then you get whooped at home by Harrogate. Yup. Pretty simple game football that can be made complicated by over thinking. Here's a radical idea, how about signing players to fit a system rather than sign a load of players then try and shoehorn them in to your latest mind fuck.
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Post by Hoochy on Oct 13, 2020 9:41:21 GMT
Stu must have seen us getting bummed down the wings and not dominating the central area in compensation. Why didn't he change it? Poor.
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Post by stevayb on Oct 13, 2020 10:02:07 GMT
Stu must have seen us getting bummed down the wings and not dominating the central area in compensation. Why didn't he change it? Poor. His last spell here, can't remember who it was against (I want to say scunthorpe?) but we did nothing apart from punt the ball to the wings and the opposition caught on quickly. A simple ball through the middle would have set us up perfectly but nope, still getting law to pass it out to the wings til the end. I love the guy but he's tactically blind, one trick pony with no backup or variation
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Post by Hoochy on Oct 13, 2020 10:24:14 GMT
Although we've not been brilliant all season we were at least unbeaten in the league playing the 532 or 3412 whatever you'd call it. We know Woods likes to get forward and French has created a couple of goals so far down the right. It's a system that at least gives our better players a chance to do what they're good at and it's one we've used before so is familiar.
Won't by be surprised to see another completely different setup used next time out. Bet Harrogate will be 442 though.
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Post by slymutha on Oct 13, 2020 11:12:14 GMT
Like others have said, they bullied us on the wings.
2 of them on each of our wing back and we were fucked
Depressing thing is that this is an obvious problem with our system and we don't have any wingers on the books (other than DMH I suppose). So just one look at our small squad and team know how to exploit us, and know that we don't have the players needed to change our system to counter them.
We are relying on opposition teams just being thick and not realising in order for our system to work.
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Post by Aaron on Oct 13, 2020 13:12:35 GMT
He's put in some good crosses and what not but I still can't help but think French looks like a CB 'doing a job' at right back rather than an actual right back. He did a decent job on the defensive side of things but he's not somebody you can count on to go on a gallivanting Meredith-esque run.
I'd still like to see us use a back 3/5 with French at right centre back and Staunton at left centre back, both good enough on the ball to carry it into midfield and create overloads and both seem pretty pacey which ideally means we can push the back line right up to the half way line. I don't really mind which O'Connor you stick in the middle of them.
As was mentioned on WOAP, we have at least one massive 'switch off' moment at the back every game so at least if we're defending higher up the pitch, it allows one of the quicker defenders an opportunity to get back and cover.
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Post by Neshead on Oct 13, 2020 19:45:02 GMT
The man of the match last night was exactly the sort of player we lack.
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