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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 1, 2020 11:01:29 GMT
"But what about those who can't afford more than £149? It wouldn't be fair on them." Things in life cost money. For one thing it help you actually look to better yourself, your earning potential and more luxurious / non essential things. If you think £149 / £199 is expensive as broken down in the example above then you should stop pissing money away on other things or get a better paying job. Too many have allowed football to become a right because the tickets are cheap. I can’t afford a new AMG Mercedes E class estate and those fuckers in Stuttgart aren’t being fair on me. Life is unfair. Some things you can afford and somethings you can’t. Sooner you get used to that the better. wanna buy mine ?
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Post by Hoochy on Jul 1, 2020 12:09:54 GMT
I can’t afford a new AMG Mercedes E class estate and those fuckers in Stuttgart aren’t being fair on me. Life is unfair. Some things you can afford and somethings you can’t. Sooner you get used to that the better. I always see people sticking up for those who 'can't afford it'. Save up / spend wisely. That's pretty much it. I read once poor people are because they make bad decisions with money - for the most part that's definitely true. Example - me and wife's phone contracts both expired in the last couple of months. They were new 2 years ago and still work fine. Changed to a sim-only £10 p/m for each of us. Was £80 p/m before. Haggled a few other bills / subscriptions during lockdown (not things like mortgage holidays etc). As I'm WFH I cancelled my software licenses (for my own personal use) and use theirs. Just that alone has saved us £200 a month. Cancelled the TV license as we use other services - another £155 saved this month also. Quick wins. We're not desperate for cash but you wonder what you've actually been paying for when you have time to work it out. I admire your monthly savings but if you think that's typical ways for a family on the breadline to save then you've been living outside of poverty for a long time!
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Post by Dick on Jul 1, 2020 12:24:57 GMT
I always see people sticking up for those who 'can't afford it'. Save up / spend wisely. That's pretty much it. I read once poor people are because they make bad decisions with money - for the most part that's definitely true. Example - me and wife's phone contracts both expired in the last couple of months. They were new 2 years ago and still work fine. Changed to a sim-only £10 p/m for each of us. Was £80 p/m before. Haggled a few other bills / subscriptions during lockdown (not things like mortgage holidays etc). As I'm WFH I cancelled my software licenses (for my own personal use) and use theirs. Just that alone has saved us £200 a month. Cancelled the TV license as we use other services - another £155 saved this month also. Quick wins. We're not desperate for cash but you wonder what you've actually been paying for when you have time to work it out. I admire your monthly savings but if you think that's typical ways for a family on the breadline to save then you've been living outside of poverty for a long time! Not typical - Just quick examples. I don't necessarily think we're talking about families like that (in general anyway, not as a result of the virus situation). It's more the people who are so used to getting something so stupidly cheap they almost make up excuses so as not to spend any more, even if it would directly improve the product. It's not an essential outgoing, which is possible why. The same sorts who probably spend hundreds a month on phone deals, TV packages and subscriptions etc.
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Post by Hoochy on Jul 1, 2020 12:41:16 GMT
I admire your monthly savings but if you think that's typical ways for a family on the breadline to save then you've been living outside of poverty for a long time! Not typical - Just quick examples. I don't necessarily think we're talking about families like that (in general anyway, not as a result of the virus situation). It's more the people who are so used to getting something so stupidly cheap they almost make up excuses so as not to spend any more, even if it would directly improve the product. It's not an essential outgoing, which is possible why. The same sorts who probably spend hundreds a month on phone deals, TV packages and subscriptions etc. That's just your supposition though isn't it, qualified with a probably. It's just like the lazy suppositions that single mums living on benefits spend all our tax cash on fags and iPhones. It's really easy to generalise people and in turn get a negative outlook on who they are.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 1, 2020 12:45:07 GMT
Not typical - Just quick examples. I don't necessarily think we're talking about families like that (in general anyway, not as a result of the virus situation). It's more the people who are so used to getting something so stupidly cheap they almost make up excuses so as not to spend any more, even if it would directly improve the product. It's not an essential outgoing, which is possible why. The same sorts who probably spend hundreds a month on phone deals, TV packages and subscriptions etc. That's just your supposition though isn't it, qualified with a probably. It's just like the lazy suppositions that single mums living on benefits spend all our tax cash on fags and iPhones. It's really easy to generalise people and in turn get a negative outlook on who they are. All teachers are lazy cunts, it's not a generalisation it's the truth
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 1, 2020 12:51:03 GMT
That's just your supposition though isn't it, qualified with a probably. It's just like the lazy suppositions that single mums living on benefits spend all our tax cash on fags and iPhones. It's really easy to generalise people and in turn get a negative outlook on who they are. All teachers are lazy cunts, it's not a generalisation it's the truth He’s got you here, Hooch.
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Post by Hoochy on Jul 1, 2020 12:52:03 GMT
I'm undecided on the ST price. I do think it's far too cheap but I wouldn't like to see us double it or more until we were well established in the Championship. I don't think the argument that nobody else does it is relevant. Most places in our league don't have a huge population to tempt with a low price.
We've seen that there are 20000+ people who will claim their die hard support for city if we have a plum cup tie or a Wembley appearance to scramble for tickets for. Teams like Morecambe, Northampton, Exeter etc would struggle to shift 10000 tickets for a playoff final at Wembley. They just don't have the potential fanbase we have and never will. I think it's right therefore that we try to tap into that and exploit it with a cheap price.
We did it very successfully and missed the window of opportunity to gradually increase the price to a more financially sound but still affordable price. This coincided with the Germans taking over and they probably didn't want to rock the boat and be seen as the nasty money men.
So now we're back to where it all began. League 2 with Stu in the hotseat and JR up top. Any increase this time around will be a kick in the teeth for fans who've seen a shocking drop in quality and have zero faith it will be spent wisely. Our only hope is to try and hold on to the fans we have with minimal increases and somehow spawn a bit of success and increase prices at sensible times.
I'm glad to hear we're trying to bring the catering back in house. That will encourage us to keep more bums on seats and get them spending in the ground. Hopefully a better standard of product to buy.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 1, 2020 12:59:25 GMT
Oh great, Jeremy fucking Corbyns turned up. Threads fucked. Sons crying.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 1, 2020 17:47:24 GMT
I'm undecided on the ST price. I do think it's far too cheap but I wouldn't like to see us double it or more until we were well established in the Championship. I don't think the argument that nobody else does it is relevant. Most places in our league don't have a huge population to tempt with a low price. We've seen that there are 20000+ people who will claim their die hard support for city if we have a plum cup tie or a Wembley appearance to scramble for tickets for. Teams like Morecambe, Northampton, Exeter etc would struggle to shift 10000 tickets for a playoff final at Wembley. They just don't have the potential fanbase we have and never will. I think it's right therefore that we try to tap into that and exploit it with a cheap price. We did it very successfully and missed the window of opportunity to gradually increase the price to a more financially sound but still affordable price. This coincided with the Germans taking over and they probably didn't want to rock the boat and be seen as the nasty money men. So now we're back to where it all began. League 2 with Stu in the hotseat and JR up top. Any increase this time around will be a kick in the teeth for fans who've seen a shocking drop in quality and have zero faith it will be spent wisely. Our only hope is to try and hold on to the fans we have with minimal increases and somehow spawn a bit of success and increase prices at sensible times. I'm glad to hear we're trying to bring the catering back in house. That will encourage us to keep more bums on seats and get them spending in the ground. Hopefully a better standard of product to buy. We're slap bang in the middle of an area with all sorts of food delectables and yet our catering consists of pies and carlsberg in the concourses and pretty much the same in some of the corporate areas. When we went to Accrington away their matchday experience blew ours out of the water. A decent pint at a couple of quid and a good choice of scran with a bit of entertainment post match still with cheap beer prices. I've been to Headingley a couple of times for the rugby and cricket, excellent corporate facilities and a great selection of food from kiosks and vans. Christ, as a city one of our claims to fame is curry, FFS get local business involved. We aren't in the 80s anymore although i guess most of our fan base still is judging by what they think the price of a season ticket should be. Kop mutants.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on Jul 1, 2020 17:55:16 GMT
I'm undecided on the ST price. I do think it's far too cheap but I wouldn't like to see us double it or more until we were well established in the Championship. I don't think the argument that nobody else does it is relevant. Most places in our league don't have a huge population to tempt with a low price. We've seen that there are 20000+ people who will claim their die hard support for city if we have a plum cup tie or a Wembley appearance to scramble for tickets for. Teams like Morecambe, Northampton, Exeter etc would struggle to shift 10000 tickets for a playoff final at Wembley. They just don't have the potential fanbase we have and never will. I think it's right therefore that we try to tap into that and exploit it with a cheap price. We did it very successfully and missed the window of opportunity to gradually increase the price to a more financially sound but still affordable price. This coincided with the Germans taking over and they probably didn't want to rock the boat and be seen as the nasty money men. So now we're back to where it all began. League 2 with Stu in the hotseat and JR up top. Any increase this time around will be a kick in the teeth for fans who've seen a shocking drop in quality and have zero faith it will be spent wisely. Our only hope is to try and hold on to the fans we have with minimal increases and somehow spawn a bit of success and increase prices at sensible times. I'm glad to hear we're trying to bring the catering back in house. That will encourage us to keep more bums on seats and get them spending in the ground. Hopefully a better standard of product to buy. We're slap bang in the middle of an area with all sorts of food delectables and yet our catering consists of pies and carlsberg in the concourses and pretty much the same in some of the corporate areas. When we went to Accrington away their matchday experience blew ours out of the water. A decent pint at a couple of quid and a good choice of scran with a bit of entertainment post match still with cheap beer prices. I've been to Headingley a couple of times for the rugby and cricket, excellent corporate facilities and a great selection of food from kiosks and vans. Christ, as a city one of our claims to fame is curry, FFS get local business involved. We aren't in the 80s anymore although i guess most of our fan base still is judging by what they think the price of a season ticket should be. Kop mutants. Most of our fan base take picnics anyway and on principle of the ridiculous prices they charge I eat before getting in and after. Just like on the pitch there's zero value for money
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 1, 2020 18:09:55 GMT
I'm undecided on the ST price. I do think it's far too cheap but I wouldn't like to see us double it or more until we were well established in the Championship. I don't think the argument that nobody else does it is relevant. Most places in our league don't have a huge population to tempt with a low price. We've seen that there are 20000+ people who will claim their die hard support for city if we have a plum cup tie or a Wembley appearance to scramble for tickets for. Teams like Morecambe, Northampton, Exeter etc would struggle to shift 10000 tickets for a playoff final at Wembley. They just don't have the potential fanbase we have and never will. I think it's right therefore that we try to tap into that and exploit it with a cheap price. We did it very successfully and missed the window of opportunity to gradually increase the price to a more financially sound but still affordable price. This coincided with the Germans taking over and they probably didn't want to rock the boat and be seen as the nasty money men. So now we're back to where it all began. League 2 with Stu in the hotseat and JR up top. Any increase this time around will be a kick in the teeth for fans who've seen a shocking drop in quality and have zero faith it will be spent wisely. Our only hope is to try and hold on to the fans we have with minimal increases and somehow spawn a bit of success and increase prices at sensible times. I'm glad to hear we're trying to bring the catering back in house. That will encourage us to keep more bums on seats and get them spending in the ground. Hopefully a better standard of product to buy. We're slap bang in the middle of an area with all sorts of food delectables and yet our catering consists of pies and carlsberg in the concourses and pretty much the same in some of the corporate areas. When we went to Accrington away their matchday experience blew ours out of the water. A decent pint at a couple of quid and a good choice of scran with a bit of entertainment post match still with cheap beer prices. I've been to Headingley a couple of times for the rugby and cricket, excellent corporate facilities and a great selection of food from kiosks and vans. Christ, as a city one of our claims to fame is curry, FFS get local business involved. We aren't in the 80s anymore although i guess most of our fan base still is judging by what they think the price of a season ticket should be. Kop mutants. One phone call and Mumtaz would supply us. There’s a couple of others that have the production capacity that would bite our hands off. We’d make a genuinely good profit on that delightful muck. You can buy a barrel from Saltaire brewery for under £100 and it’s about eighty pints. That’s for single barrels too. £3-3.50 per pint and you’re rolling. Especially buying in bulk. Instead we’ve got Pukka pies crammed with lips, tits and arseholes and plastic Carlsberg at £4 a pop.
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Post by Bacon on Jul 1, 2020 18:14:19 GMT
We're slap bang in the middle of an area with all sorts of food delectables and yet our catering consists of pies and carlsberg in the concourses and pretty much the same in some of the corporate areas. When we went to Accrington away their matchday experience blew ours out of the water. A decent pint at a couple of quid and a good choice of scran with a bit of entertainment post match still with cheap beer prices. I've been to Headingley a couple of times for the rugby and cricket, excellent corporate facilities and a great selection of food from kiosks and vans. Christ, as a city one of our claims to fame is curry, FFS get local business involved. We aren't in the 80s anymore although i guess most of our fan base still is judging by what they think the price of a season ticket should be. Kop mutants. One phone call and Mumtaz would supply us. There’s a couple of others that have the production capacity that would bite our hands off. We’d make a genuinely good profit on that delightful muck. You can buy a barrel from Saltaire brewery for under £100 and it’s about eighty pints. That’s for single barrels too. £3-3.50 per pint and you’re rolling. Especially buying in bulk. Instead we’ve got Pukka pies crammed with lips, tits and arseholes and plastic Carlsberg at £4 a pop. Remember when the krauts took over and it was all "I can't wait for a knockwurst and a litre of Bitburger". In all honesty if it was decent stuff and money went to the club I'd buy motru. I'd probably buy more if was the same old shite and money went to the club, pukka make a decent pie.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 1, 2020 18:25:01 GMT
One phone call and Mumtaz would supply us. There’s a couple of others that have the production capacity that would bite our hands off. We’d make a genuinely good profit on that delightful muck. You can buy a barrel from Saltaire brewery for under £100 and it’s about eighty pints. That’s for single barrels too. £3-3.50 per pint and you’re rolling. Especially buying in bulk. Instead we’ve got Pukka pies crammed with lips, tits and arseholes and plastic Carlsberg at £4 a pop. Remember when the krauts took over and it was all "I can't wait for a knockwurst and a litre of Bitburger". In all honesty if it was decent stuff and money went to the club I'd buy motru. I'd probably buy more if was the same old shite and money went to the club, pukka make a decent pie. We were going to have oompa bands, tits spilling over dirndl tops and steins overflowing with the finest beer the Reinheitsgebot ever governed the production of. We’d have had fanzones like mini Oktoberfests every fucking week. Quid in when we got to the Premier League too. How is it possible to emerge from these regular clusterfucks without being a grizzled cynic? How do our fans keep hitting reset?
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Post by Hoochy on Jul 1, 2020 20:56:17 GMT
We're slap bang in the middle of an area with all sorts of food delectables and yet our catering consists of pies and carlsberg in the concourses and pretty much the same in some of the corporate areas. When we went to Accrington away their matchday experience blew ours out of the water. A decent pint at a couple of quid and a good choice of scran with a bit of entertainment post match still with cheap beer prices. I've been to Headingley a couple of times for the rugby and cricket, excellent corporate facilities and a great selection of food from kiosks and vans. Christ, as a city one of our claims to fame is curry, FFS get local business involved. We aren't in the 80s anymore although i guess most of our fan base still is judging by what they think the price of a season ticket should be. Kop mutants. One phone call and Mumtaz would supply us. There’s a couple of others that have the production capacity that would bite our hands off. We’d make a genuinely good profit on that delightful muck. You can buy a barrel from Saltaire brewery for under £100 and it’s about eighty pints. That’s for single barrels too. £3-3.50 per pint and you’re rolling. Especially buying in bulk. Instead we’ve got Pukka pies crammed with lips, tits and arseholes and plastic Carlsberg at £4 a pop. If there's one positive thing Bradford is famed for it's the cuisine. Criminal that we've not tapped into that. It's all fast food too, easy to cook up in kiosks. Imagine a little snack box with a delightful array of bhajis, pakoras and kebabs. I'm fucking salivating here at the thought of it.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Jul 2, 2020 7:02:11 GMT
I’ve always supported cheap season tickets: pretty poor city plus pretty large ground means we’ve got the right ingredients for a stack em high sell em cheap model, but not to allow for inflation in ten years is fucking suicide.
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Post by Neshead on Jul 2, 2020 7:27:22 GMT
I’ve always supported cheap season tickets: pretty poor city plus pretty large ground means we’ve got the right ingredients for a stack em high sell em cheap model, but not to allow for inflation in ten years is fucking suicide. My point has always been I'm not against value for money, especially in the lower leagues where football is generally shite. I just think the £149 ship should have sailed a long time ago. If you're cheaper than most non league clubs in the division below, your gonna have to keep getting those high numbers in. And as we've seen if the quality of football is poor it doesn't matter how cheap the price is. You could be giving them away and folk would choose to do something more entertaining. And that's the problem with most of the fans we've picked up with the cheap tickets. Its easy to give up when the going is bad because they're not dyed in the wool fans.
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Post by tetchyarse on Jul 3, 2020 21:04:08 GMT
I’ve always supported cheap season tickets: pretty poor city plus pretty large ground means we’ve got the right ingredients for a stack em high sell em cheap model, but not to allow for inflation in ten years is fucking suicide. And that's the problem, add a fiver or a tenner every year and you don't notice it. But don't and suddenly you have to up it by £50 or £60, and people do notice that. I agree with the cheap tickets too. Our ground holds 23,000. We need to fill it. Pile it high and sell it cheap. I'd rather have fairweather fans than half the ground fenced off. Peterborough are a good side, doing well, and still struggle to get gates of 7000 with their prices. Our main stand holds more than that.
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slymutha
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Post by slymutha on Jul 5, 2020 6:29:13 GMT
Double the price of a season ticket Offer free pint and a pie at each game for all season ticket holders. Or pint and crisps, or just a pint. Shit, let the club do the proper maths. Upshot is so many season ticket holders don't show up anyway that you would rarely be handing out those freebies en masse. But for those that do it costs more, but its the day sort then in one price Also, yes, better tasting pints and pies
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slymutha
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Post by slymutha on Jul 5, 2020 6:41:44 GMT
Or, how about the 'plastic bantam' pass
For like £100 you get a fake season ticket you can show people, but it doesn't actually get you into games.
Helps flush bullshitters feel important but keeps them away from VP
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Post by slymutha on Jul 5, 2020 6:49:32 GMT
or annual subscriptions. People fucking love a monthly payment these days
£14.99 per month standard pass - gets you a season ticket and a bag of cheap club swag like calendars and keyring and shit
£19.99 per month premium pass - season ticket, cheap swag, free pie/pint at games
£29.99 per month gold pass - season ticket, cheap swag, pie/pint, premium swag bag (free, away or third shirt)
Could even maybe drop the season tickets in favour of tier packages guaranteeing home tickets for 1/2/all home games per month instead (have to be booked like a week in advance so club don't have to reserve empty seats)
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