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Post by mikehunt on May 18, 2020 13:01:37 GMT
Makes sense for lower leagues to be regional. The fact that we're in the mix is due to chronic mismanagement for 20 years. Can’t see any advantage, travel costs are minimal compared to wages. Stop paying shite like Akpan and Riley £250k a year is a better solution, the PL giving leagues 1 and 2 half the £200m+ they spend on agents fees would help
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Post by Hoochy on May 18, 2020 13:04:08 GMT
Makes sense for lower leagues to be regional. The fact that we're in the mix is due to chronic mismanagement for 20 years. Can’t see any advantage, travel costs are minimal compared to wages. Stop paying shite like Akpan and Riley £250k a year is a better solution, the PL giving leagues 1 and 2 half the £200m+ they spend on agents fees would help Point 2 erases point 1. If the PL gives L1 & 2 money they'll spend it on shitty players.
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Post by mikehunt on May 18, 2020 13:25:19 GMT
Can’t see any advantage, travel costs are minimal compared to wages. Stop paying shite like Akpan and Riley £250k a year is a better solution, the PL giving leagues 1 and 2 half the £200m+ they spend on agents fees would help Point 2 erases point 1. If the PL gives L1 & 2 money they'll spend it on shitty players. Got to stop somewhere. Salford and FGM bankrolled by wealthy fans and paying League One money in the Conference pushes everyone’s costs up. PL clubs spending the cost of Leagues One and Two on agents is mad. PL clubs hoovering up talented juniors stopping a source of money for the lower leagues, half the PL clubs making a loss and Championship clubs losing an average £400k a week each is a problem. Stopping Carlisle playing Plymouth away, merging the Conference and League 2 into regional leagues or B teams isn’t the answer.
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Post by Dick on May 18, 2020 13:37:47 GMT
Point 2 erases point 1. If the PL gives L1 & 2 money they'll spend it on shitty players. FGM bankrolled by wealthy fans lol. Aside from that, true - spending of money is the elephant in the room no-one wants to address across the board. It's too late, they're too powerful, theres too much worldwide appeal, the industry is too big (in terms of they can claim football keeps local businesses / jobs going thanks to matchday / tv revenue etc). In 15-20 years time I can see a European Super League, and in this country everything under division 3 - even 2 - regionalised or part time. Theres just not enough money to prop up pro football across what, 4, possibly 6 divisions to keep up with the overall speed, it's like an arms race. The current virus situation has been a huge wake up call that too many clubs operate only only a pay cheque or two away from bankruptcy. And you know when things get back to how they were - even if it's in 12, 18, 24 months - they'll claim lessons have been learnt and a few years later end up operating like they do now.
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Post by Hoochy on May 18, 2020 13:54:08 GMT
Point 2 erases point 1. If the PL gives L1 & 2 money they'll spend it on shitty players. Got to stop somewhere. Salford and FGM bankrolled by wealthy fans and paying League One money in the Conference pushes everyone’s costs up. PL clubs spending the cost of Leagues One and Two on agents is mad. PL clubs hoovering up talented juniors stopping a source of money for the lower leagues, half the PL clubs making a loss and Championship clubs losing an average £400k a week each is a problem. Stopping Carlisle playing Plymouth away, merging the Conference and League 2 into regional leagues or B teams isn’t the answer. I disagree to a certain extent. The Prem and Champ teams are bankrolled by millionaires who can afford it. It's a status symbol akin to a big yacht for the super rich. Let them have their toys and spunk their spare change on it. Teams at our level have 3 choices: A/ Get bankrolled like a Salford, Fleetwood or in the past, Wigan B/ Spend beyond your means to speculate (Bury and others) for success C/ Live within your means and try to build something organically It's pretty clear that we're at C and it's brought moderate success when we had some fortune. Too much B and you're a Bury. A is an ideal shortcut if you can find a sugar-daddy. Some teams have a plan and a direction and combine a bit of B with C and are growing in stature whilst building infrastructure, Accrington, Posh, Shrewsbury. Giving L1 and 2 clubs money isn't the answer because idiots like Rhodes will give idiots like Bowyer licence to sign shite at a higher rate of pay. Clubs should sort their plans out and decide what they want to be. It might be that they want to invest in youth as a plan. Great. Provide a conveyor belt of players for the first team and some assets to sell on. If you have shitty youth facilities (like us) then why would the most talented youngsters be tempted by us? It's no good complaining that the PL clubs hoover up young talent because us and other clubs voted to let them. For a sweetener of course. The whole system isn't equivalent and it never can be.
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Post by mikehunt on May 18, 2020 14:48:45 GMT
Got to stop somewhere. Salford and FGM bankrolled by wealthy fans and paying League One money in the Conference pushes everyone’s costs up. PL clubs spending the cost of Leagues One and Two on agents is mad. PL clubs hoovering up talented juniors stopping a source of money for the lower leagues, half the PL clubs making a loss and Championship clubs losing an average £400k a week each is a problem. Stopping Carlisle playing Plymouth away, merging the Conference and League 2 into regional leagues or B teams isn’t the answer. I disagree to a certain extent. The Prem and Champ teams are bankrolled by millionaires who can afford it. It's a status symbol akin to a big yacht for the super rich. Let them have their toys and spunk their spare change on it. Teams at our level have 3 choices: A/ Get bankrolled like a Salford, Fleetwood or in the past, Wigan B/ Spend beyond your means to speculate (Bury and others) for success C/ Live within your means and try to build something organically It's pretty clear that we're at C and it's brought moderate success when we had some fortune. Too much B and you're a Bury. A is an ideal shortcut if you can find a sugar-daddy. Some teams have a plan and a direction and combine a bit of B with C and are growing in stature whilst building infrastructure, Accrington, Posh, Shrewsbury. Giving L1 and 2 clubs money isn't the answer because idiots like Rhodes will give idiots like Bowyer licence to sign shite at a higher rate of pay. Clubs should sort their plans out and decide what they want to be. It might be that they want to invest in youth as a plan. Great. Provide a conveyor belt of players for the first team and some assets to sell on. If you have shitty youth facilities (like us) then why would the most talented youngsters be tempted by us? It's no good complaining that the PL clubs hoover up young talent because us and other clubs voted to let them. For a sweetener of course. The whole system isn't equivalent and it never can be. The likes of Pilley and Dale Vince are often lending the clubs money though, when they get bored of league 2 or their main businesses go broke, like Notts County, the clubs are fucked. Championship clubs needing to lose a million a week to compete with parachute payments? The system is fucked. 20 years ago two moderately wealthy man bankrolled City to the PL, you’d need to have Ken Morrison’s family’s £610m and the Tordoff’s £376m these days. That’s City effectively stuck in the bottom two divisions with the odd appearance in the Championship. You’re spot on about academies though, offered a choice between a scholarship at Bradford City or Man Utd, it’s Manchester all the way. On the other hand they’re hoarding hundreds of kids who can’t get anywhere near the first team. The sweetener the PL gave for EPPP was about £2.50 a bag of Haribo. B Teams are the next answer, worked well in the JPT has that.
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Post by Neshead on May 18, 2020 15:00:28 GMT
I disagree to a certain extent. The Prem and Champ teams are bankrolled by millionaires who can afford it. It's a status symbol akin to a big yacht for the super rich. Let them have their toys and spunk their spare change on it. Teams at our level have 3 choices: A/ Get bankrolled like a Salford, Fleetwood or in the past, Wigan B/ Spend beyond your means to speculate (Bury and others) for success C/ Live within your means and try to build something organically It's pretty clear that we're at C and it's brought moderate success when we had some fortune. Too much B and you're a Bury. A is an ideal shortcut if you can find a sugar-daddy. Some teams have a plan and a direction and combine a bit of B with C and are growing in stature whilst building infrastructure, Accrington, Posh, Shrewsbury. Giving L1 and 2 clubs money isn't the answer because idiots like Rhodes will give idiots like Bowyer licence to sign shite at a higher rate of pay. Clubs should sort their plans out and decide what they want to be. It might be that they want to invest in youth as a plan. Great. Provide a conveyor belt of players for the first team and some assets to sell on. If you have shitty youth facilities (like us) then why would the most talented youngsters be tempted by us? It's no good complaining that the PL clubs hoover up young talent because us and other clubs voted to let them. For a sweetener of course. The whole system isn't equivalent and it never can be. The likes of Pilley and Dale Vince are often lending the clubs money though, when they get bored of league 2 or their main businesses go broke, like Notts County, the clubs are fucked. Championship clubs needing to lose a million a week to compete with parachute payments? The system is fucked. 20 years ago two moderately wealthy man bankrolled City to the PL, you’d need to have Ken Morrison’s family’s £610m and the Tordoff’s £376m these days. That’s City effectively stuck in the bottom two divisions with the odd appearance in the Championship. You’re spot on about academies though, offered a choice between a scholarship at Bradford City or Man Utd, it’s Manchester all the way. On the other hand they’re hoarding hundreds of kids who can’t get anywhere near the first team. The sweetener the PL gave for EPPP was about £2.50 a bag of Haribo. B Teams are the next answer, worked well in the JPT has that. I'm just happy to have a team to support. FFS.
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Post by Hoochy on May 18, 2020 15:43:19 GMT
I disagree to a certain extent. The Prem and Champ teams are bankrolled by millionaires who can afford it. It's a status symbol akin to a big yacht for the super rich. Let them have their toys and spunk their spare change on it. Teams at our level have 3 choices: A/ Get bankrolled like a Salford, Fleetwood or in the past, Wigan B/ Spend beyond your means to speculate (Bury and others) for success C/ Live within your means and try to build something organically It's pretty clear that we're at C and it's brought moderate success when we had some fortune. Too much B and you're a Bury. A is an ideal shortcut if you can find a sugar-daddy. Some teams have a plan and a direction and combine a bit of B with C and are growing in stature whilst building infrastructure, Accrington, Posh, Shrewsbury. Giving L1 and 2 clubs money isn't the answer because idiots like Rhodes will give idiots like Bowyer licence to sign shite at a higher rate of pay. Clubs should sort their plans out and decide what they want to be. It might be that they want to invest in youth as a plan. Great. Provide a conveyor belt of players for the first team and some assets to sell on. If you have shitty youth facilities (like us) then why would the most talented youngsters be tempted by us? It's no good complaining that the PL clubs hoover up young talent because us and other clubs voted to let them. For a sweetener of course. The whole system isn't equivalent and it never can be. The likes of Pilley and Dale Vince are often lending the clubs money though, when they get bored of league 2 or their main businesses go broke, like Notts County, the clubs are fucked. Championship clubs needing to lose a million a week to compete with parachute payments? The system is fucked. 20 years ago two moderately wealthy man bankrolled City to the PL, you’d need to have Ken Morrison’s family’s £610m and the Tordoff’s £376m these days. That’s City effectively stuck in the bottom two divisions with the odd appearance in the Championship. You’re spot on about academies though, offered a choice between a scholarship at Bradford City or Man Utd, it’s Manchester all the way. On the other hand they’re hoarding hundreds of kids who can’t get anywhere near the first team. The sweetener the PL gave for EPPP was about £2.50 a bag of Haribo. B Teams are the next answer, worked well in the JPT has that. It's always been the case that the clubs with an owner with deep pockets and a generous nature will prosper and those that don't will just struggle on in a cycle of hand to mouth existence season to season with the occasional bit of good fortune if they're lucky. The system is fucked, I agree. You can fuck the system though too. Man City and Chelsea although top flight clubs in the main were never serial trophy winners but here they are now. Blackburn did it briefly. Wigan competed for years on generosity. If some Saudi oil king bought us we could do it too eventually.
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Post by Hobhead on May 18, 2020 19:52:02 GMT
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Its over
May 18, 2020 19:52:13 GMT
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Post by Bacon on May 18, 2020 19:52:13 GMT
I didn't come on here for a lesson in fucking communism.
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Post by Dick on May 21, 2020 8:52:33 GMT
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Post by Lofty on May 21, 2020 12:26:40 GMT
Final table should be decided on good training sessions to be fair.
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Post by Bacon on May 21, 2020 13:00:01 GMT
Playing 12 v 12 though, revolutionary.
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Post by Neshead on May 21, 2020 13:15:56 GMT
Final table should be decided on good training sessions to be fair. It should be decided by who gets behind the lads more FFS, and the amount of players you have who still live nearby and love the club.
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Its over
May 21, 2020 14:35:37 GMT
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Post by Lofty on May 21, 2020 14:35:37 GMT
Final table should be decided on good training sessions to be fair. It should be decided by who gets behind the lads more FFS, and the amount of players you have who still live nearby and love the club. Champiooooneeeeees champiooooneeeeees...
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Post by Hoochy on May 21, 2020 15:16:41 GMT
Swindon are going bust. We just need 1 more to kick the bucket and that's us deservedly in the top 7 playoff mix.
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Post by Bacon on May 21, 2020 15:38:09 GMT
Swindon are going bust. We just need 1 more to kick the bucket and that's us deservedly in the top 7 playoff mix. Fingers crossed, we need to table our amendment for the play offs to be 12 v 12 then we'll be in the heady heights of league 1 next year.
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