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Post by Lethal Jizzle on May 3, 2020 17:30:32 GMT
Apart from the virus itself this subject is the only other one being discussed at length. What's your thoughts as football fans, humans, and as a supporter of a shite team who's season finished as soon as October.
Personally the best outcome for me is null and void the efl and finish the premier league behind closed doors. No relegation from it but the bottom 3 start on minus points what ever the difference to 4th bottom is.
I know the humanists want no more football till the virus has gone, but look at it this way, they're not key workers and should be on lockdown doing social distancing. After 6 weeks of this there shouldn't be a non key worker in the country with the virus. Now if the premier league tests players twice a week and they adhere to the social distancing measures still and all stadia used are completely disinfected then how will they catch it? Yes i realise not every footballer is intelligent enough to follow rules and regs but surely if they're tested now they have zero excuses.
Of course there's still many that say it's not worth the risk but get 3 games a day on tv like the world cup then you will find a significant decrease in people breaking lockdow.Then in turn the rate of infection should in theory drop significantly.
It would be a big operation but the premier league can afford the cost and it could significantly increase the morale of the public outside of Manchester and the permanently in the shadows side of Liverpool.
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Post by fish on May 3, 2020 17:45:58 GMT
Get it restarted when everyone else goes back to work.
Some cunts think 'its only a game of football' but forget it's tens of thousands of jobs and a billion pound industry.
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Post by Hobhead on May 3, 2020 18:06:49 GMT
I don’t understand why we’d void this season then start the next under the exact same conditions we’d finish this one under.
It has to be a behind closed doors finish for me going as far down the pyramid as is practically possible.
I’ve got a feeling this will end up being decided by the courts anyway.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on May 3, 2020 18:28:46 GMT
I don’t understand why we’d void this season then start the next under the exact same conditions we’d finish this one under. It has to be a behind closed doors finish for me going as far down the pyramid as is practically possible. I’ve got a feeling this will end up being decided by the courts anyway. The earlier this season finishes the sooner they can start sorting shit out. I'm sure if we were pushing for promotion I'd have a different view but we're not and I haven't. There's more teams in the efl more shit to sort out so it would be much easier to null and void it.
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Post by bantam147 on May 3, 2020 18:41:42 GMT
Would it really improve morale? Firstly you have to look at the % of the population who's passionate about football. Then you'd have to subtract from that the amount of people who have way more important shit going on, including those who cant actually get back to work yet because 'it's not safe'. I reckon that's a fairly small portion of the country.
And the games will be shit. 3 months of no games, no real competitive prep, no crowds. They'll be flaccid bollocks.
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Post by bantam147 on May 3, 2020 18:47:41 GMT
Anyway this virus is bollocks. Just crack on and play.
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Post by Hobhead on May 3, 2020 18:49:15 GMT
I don’t understand why we’d void this season then start the next under the exact same conditions we’d finish this one under. It has to be a behind closed doors finish for me going as far down the pyramid as is practically possible. I’ve got a feeling this will end up being decided by the courts anyway. The earlier this season finishes the sooner they can start sorting shit out. I'm sure if we were pushing for promotion I'd have a different view but we're not and I haven't. There's more teams in the efl more shit to sort out so it would be much easier to null and void it. The first team they ‘cheat’ out of promotion that can afford to fight it and it’ll go off.
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Post by Neshead on May 3, 2020 19:05:28 GMT
I don’t understand why we’d void this season then start the next under the exact same conditions we’d finish this one under. It has to be a behind closed doors finish for me going as far down the pyramid as is practically possible. I’ve got a feeling this will end up being decided by the courts anyway. The earlier this season finishes the sooner they can start sorting shit out. I'm sure if we were pushing for promotion I'd have a different view but we're not and I haven't. There's more teams in the efl more shit to sort out so it would be much easier to null and void it. If we null and void the lowe leagues then we null and void the lot. All in or none in. Personally i want to see every division come to some sort of end. I don't support any other club so go zero fucks either way but there has to be a played ending to this season to logically start the next one.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on May 3, 2020 19:23:49 GMT
The earlier this season finishes the sooner they can start sorting shit out. I'm sure if we were pushing for promotion I'd have a different view but we're not and I haven't. There's more teams in the efl more shit to sort out so it would be much easier to null and void it. If we null and void the lowe leagues then we null and void the lot. All in or none in. Personally i want to see every division come to some sort of end. I don't support any other club so go zero fucks either way but there has to be a played ending to this season to logically start the next one. They're different factions different businesses and different rules. At any point the premier league can lift the drawbridge and let nobody in and stop parachute payments and then the efl dies anyway. Like it or not money will do the talking
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Post by Neshead on May 3, 2020 19:36:20 GMT
If we null and void the lowe leagues then we null and void the lot. All in or none in. Personally i want to see every division come to some sort of end. I don't support any other club so go zero fucks either way but there has to be a played ending to this season to logically start the next one. They're different factions different businesses and different rules. At any point the premier league can lift the drawbridge and let nobody in and stop parachute payments and then the efl dies anyway. Like it or not money will do the talking It may well work like that but i have no interest whatsoever in the premiership. The fact they don't give a shit about the rest of the football league pyramid disappoints me but doesn't surprise me. Football in its present guise interests me very little, the game in this country is so far removed from the game i remember being brought up on. Take one of your many clubs, Liverpool. The majority of fans from Liverpool couldn't even afford to buy a season ticket these days even if they were available. Now a tourist club like United, City and Chelsea. As for Arsenal, what a joke they've become. I was watching an old game from the 90s, Wright scoring a penalty in front of the north bank. Amazing scenes never seen since at the cemetery that is the Emirates. Football has lost its soul, who gives a fuck if it all goes tits up.
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Post by Lofty on May 3, 2020 20:48:16 GMT
What's the point of playing on if there's no relegation? It's basically fucking friendlies in empty stadiums.
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Post by Dick on May 3, 2020 20:52:59 GMT
You can't just void the other divisions but play out the top division. All sorts of teams will have claims for keeping things going - Where does it end?
We still have a thin chance of promotion. Other teams in the auto spots will be heavily sweating on any decision - as will teams at the bottom - and will rightly argue why should their seasons be written off if they can bend over to keep the PL going?
A lot of teams will have invested heavily to go up or stay up an will take a huge hit from that. Players potential bonuses will be in limbo as well.
Mind you, a few teams going bust outside the PL/CH won't register with them at all. Bury disappeared easily enough and without a trace, a few others could easily go the same way.
Best thing would be to avoid the whole lot for me. Other counties have done it so the precedent is there.
It's just a big fucking mess. And still the Chinese are eating fucking bats.
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on May 3, 2020 21:03:32 GMT
What's the point of playing on if there's no relegation? It's basically fucking friendlies in empty stadiums. so Liverpool win the title on the pitch 👍👍
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Post by Lethal Jizzle on May 3, 2020 21:04:54 GMT
You can't just void the other divisions but play out the top division. All sorts of teams will have claims for keeping things going - Where does it end? We still have a thin chance of promotion. Other teams in the auto spots will be heavily sweating on any decision - as will teams at the bottom - and will rightly argue why should their seasons be written off if they can bend over to keep the PL going? A lot of teams will have invested heavily to go up or stay up an will take a huge hit from that. Players potential bonuses will be in limbo as well. Mind you, a few teams going bust outside the PL/CH won't register with them at all. Bury disappeared easily enough and without a trace, a few others could easily go the same way. Best thing would be to avoid the whole lot for me. Other counties have done it so the precedent is there. It's just a big fucking mess. And still the Chinese are eating fucking bats. I've always wondered if they null and void league 1 then technically Bury are still a league club...aren't they ?
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Post by Dick on May 3, 2020 21:14:30 GMT
You can't just void the other divisions but play out the top division. All sorts of teams will have claims for keeping things going - Where does it end? We still have a thin chance of promotion. Other teams in the auto spots will be heavily sweating on any decision - as will teams at the bottom - and will rightly argue why should their seasons be written off if they can bend over to keep the PL going? A lot of teams will have invested heavily to go up or stay up an will take a huge hit from that. Players potential bonuses will be in limbo as well. Mind you, a few teams going bust outside the PL/CH won't register with them at all. Bury disappeared easily enough and without a trace, a few others could easily go the same way. Best thing would be to avoid the whole lot for me. Other counties have done it so the precedent is there. It's just a big fucking mess. And still the Chinese are eating fucking bats. I've always wondered if they null and void league 1 then technically Bury are still a league club...aren't they ? That question would definitely be asked... What about win / goal bonuses? Goal / appearance records? FA fined for red cards? They all be scrapped as well? Who knows...
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Post by fish on May 3, 2020 21:41:50 GMT
I've always wondered if they null and void league 1 then technically Bury are still a league club...aren't they ? That question would definitely be asked... What about win / goal bonuses? Goal / appearance records? FA fined for red cards? They all be scrapped as well? Who knows... when the FA cancelled the non league lower levels, clubs asked for money back from fines etc. I'll let you guess what the response was.
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Post by Hoochy on May 3, 2020 22:55:32 GMT
It's a mess. Void the season or end the season as it stands and you'll rightly get upset clubs who would have gone up or won the league. That's worth around £200m to Leeds Utd? Money talks. Playing the season on will surely mean honouring season tickets if fans are allowed in or giving free access to iFollow which will cripple clubs with no income.
The idea of playing in front of no fans won't last long as a TV spectacle unless they can make it watchable somehow with a real atmosphere. Something innovative with fans at home interacting or something. Otherwise it will be like watching a pre-season or a testimonial game.
Different 'sport' entirely but my lad has just got into the WWE wrestling which I haven't watched since the days of Ultimate Warrior and Big Boss Man. He put on the latest Wrestlemania which was filmed without a crowd present. Shite. They have chicks wrestling now.
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Post by bantam147 on May 4, 2020 7:51:55 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11982637/premier-league-clubs-prepare-for-2020-21-season-behind-closed-doorsIt'll be a fucking farce. I don't think the premier league would survive it, not as it is. How many of those fans are going to come back? Football at the highest level is expensive and people will make changes to their lives. Perspectives will change. and the cash cow depends on fans. If not with gate receipts, the whole commercial and TV gravy train is all about spectator access and advertising. The games will be shit too. No intensity. Transfer fees and wages are going to have to come right down, but there'll be a reluctance to accept reality, so they probably won't and the game will finally end up eating itself.
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Post by Neshead on May 4, 2020 8:21:54 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11982637/premier-league-clubs-prepare-for-2020-21-season-behind-closed-doorsIt'll be a fucking farce. I don't think the premier league would survive it, not as it is. How many of those fans are going to come back? Football at the highest level is expensive and people will make changes to their lives. Perspectives will change. and the cash cow depends on fans. If not with gate receipts, the whole commercial and TV gravy train is all about spectator access and advertising. The games will be shit too. No intensity. Transfer fees and wages are going to have to come right down, but there'll be a reluctance to accept reality, so they probably won't and the game will finally end up eating itself. From my own perspective wouldn't it be great if football did indeed eat itself. Especially the top level. Watching these netflix and amazon documentaries shows me how little the players really care for the clubs, they are paid fortunes to represent the club and supporters be in truth they don't give a shit. As for the game on TV, i very rarely watch a game. I did used to enjoy the non league stuff on BT maily for how close to grass roots it was but even that got silly with clubs like Salford paying bigger wages than some league 1 clubs.
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Post by bantam147 on May 4, 2020 8:33:31 GMT
www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11982637/premier-league-clubs-prepare-for-2020-21-season-behind-closed-doorsIt'll be a fucking farce. I don't think the premier league would survive it, not as it is. How many of those fans are going to come back? Football at the highest level is expensive and people will make changes to their lives. Perspectives will change. and the cash cow depends on fans. If not with gate receipts, the whole commercial and TV gravy train is all about spectator access and advertising. The games will be shit too. No intensity. Transfer fees and wages are going to have to come right down, but there'll be a reluctance to accept reality, so they probably won't and the game will finally end up eating itself. From my own perspective wouldn't it be great if football did indeed eat itself. Especially the top level. Watching these netflix and amazon documentaries shows me how little the players really care for the clubs, they are paid fortunes to represent the club and supporters be in truth they don't give a shit. As for the game on TV, i very rarely watch a game. I did used to enjoy the non league stuff on BT maily for how close to grass roots it was but even that got silly with clubs like Salford paying bigger wages than some league 1 clubs. Yep, I'd be all for that. I'd like to see a normalizing of the wages paid to all top sportsman and actors etc. Its fucking scandalous and ultimately its the plebs who foot the bill. I have no problem with footballers being well paid. And the best should do well. But by that, I mean that the upper limit should be around £50K a week and you should only get that if you're very good. The average premiership wage should be around £25K, which means for most footballers at the level you're going to earn several million quid and retire in a very, very healthy position. But its not obscenely wealthy, it still keeps you reasonably grounded and it means football can be accessible to all. £25 for a ticket is more than ample at that level. But it's the same everywhere. Other sports are the same. I went to a corporate do at the British GP last year and the price of the hospitality package was £8K each. Nice meal in a nice marquee, some very testing birds decorating the place and a couple of nice little freebies, but the price was fucking ridiculous. There needs to be a complete reset across society.
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