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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 11:38:30 GMT
How much has austerity affected low paid workers? Cos people kept voting for that. And the decrease is if you isolate that from the potential much larger gains to be made of companies have more work as a result of being in a large trading bloc. Austerity might have affected low paid workers through the benefit top ups that the government scandalously pay to top up wages thereby allowing companies to get away with paying less than they ought to. I've got no evidence for austerity affecting low paid staff though so it's pure guesswork. Do you have any? I’m not looking everything up for you.
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Sept 3, 2019 11:44:45 GMT
Austerity might have affected low paid workers through the benefit top ups that the government scandalously pay to top up wages thereby allowing companies to get away with paying less than they ought to. I've got no evidence for austerity affecting low paid staff though so it's pure guesswork. Do you have any? I’m not looking everything up for you. If you can't even be arsed to look for evidence for your own question I'll assume that there was no effect from austerity then.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 11:45:59 GMT
God no PFI is a fucking shambles, and rank incompetence. The first one that springs to mind is the post war council house building programme. The last major investment to the infrastructure to this country i can think of is the building of the motorways in the 60s and 70s. Its the reason why countries in the far east and even eastern Europe are growing so fast, their infrastructures are booming. I've been to Poland a fair few times over the last few years and you can see the country changing new roads and big airport expansions, their airports put ours to shame. Industry are wanting to set up these countries because labour is cheap and plentiful. We need investment in this country but where would we start and why? No new industry is ever going to set up here which is paramount to the repayment of infrastructure. And i see similar problems in what we see as established European countries. Its cheaper to go elsewhere. Good example! And I agree, infrastructure is the obvious investment to make in that situation, personally I would have gone with broadband post-2008. I think yr a little pessimistic about the UK though; it’s a pretty well educated, healthy workforce, there’s a reasonable level of income on a global scale which means a decent amount of disposable income, we have a very well respected legal system and judiciary, we have access to an enormous, wealthy trading bloc and probably most importantly we speak the worlds second language, all of which make it a pretty attractive place to set up business.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 11:46:40 GMT
I’m not looking everything up for you. If you can't even be arsed to look for evidence for your own question I'll assume that there was no effect from austerity then. Seems rational. Why would I ask a question if I already had evidence?
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Sept 3, 2019 11:54:18 GMT
If you can't even be arsed to look for evidence for your own question I'll assume that there was no effect from austerity then. Seems rational. Why would I ask a question if I already had evidence? Why would I look up the evidence for your points for you? I'm not your fucking PA.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 3, 2019 11:55:03 GMT
The last major investment to the infrastructure to this country i can think of is the building of the motorways in the 60s and 70s. Its the reason why countries in the far east and even eastern Europe are growing so fast, their infrastructures are booming. I've been to Poland a fair few times over the last few years and you can see the country changing new roads and big airport expansions, their airports put ours to shame. Industry are wanting to set up these countries because labour is cheap and plentiful. We need investment in this country but where would we start and why? No new industry is ever going to set up here which is paramount to the repayment of infrastructure. And i see similar problems in what we see as established European countries. Its cheaper to go elsewhere. Good example! And I agree, infrastructure is the obvious investment to make in that situation, personally I would have gone with broadband post-2008. I think yr a little pessimistic about the UK though; it’s a pretty well educated, healthy workforce, there’s a reasonable level of income on a global scale which means a decent amount of disposable income, we have a very well respected legal system and judiciary, we have access to an enormous, wealthy trading bloc and probably most importantly we speak the worlds second language, all of which make it a pretty attractive place to set up business. Service led global businesses like Amazon will always set up here because they set up all over the world but if i was a manufacturer i wouldn't come anywhere near here, the infrastructure in most places is well over a hundred years old and labour costs are prohibitive, it s a reason why most industries left the best part of 30/40 years ago. Much cheaper to go to an under developed country where you can build a new infrastructure without the hassle of building around an existing one. I would question your comment of the UK having a pretty well educated workforce, i'd say we have a massive undercurrent of genuinely thick people who are given benefits to live on. These very people would be fucked in other countries in the world due to their complete lack of intelligence.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 11:58:30 GMT
Seems rational. Why would I ask a question if I already had evidence? Why would I look up the evidence for your points for you? I'm not your fucking PA. K.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 12:12:35 GMT
Good example! And I agree, infrastructure is the obvious investment to make in that situation, personally I would have gone with broadband post-2008. I think yr a little pessimistic about the UK though; it’s a pretty well educated, healthy workforce, there’s a reasonable level of income on a global scale which means a decent amount of disposable income, we have a very well respected legal system and judiciary, we have access to an enormous, wealthy trading bloc and probably most importantly we speak the worlds second language, all of which make it a pretty attractive place to set up business. Service led global businesses like Amazon will always set up here because they set up all over the world but if i was a manufacturer i wouldn't come anywhere near here, the infrastructure in most places is well over a hundred years old and labour costs are prohibitive, it s a reason why most industries left the best part of 30/40 years ago. Much cheaper to go to an under developed country where you can build a new infrastructure without the hassle of building around an existing one. I would question your comment of the UK having a pretty well educated workforce, i'd say we have a massive undercurrent of genuinely thick people who are given benefits to live on. These very people would be fucked in other countries in the world due to their complete lack of intelligence. In global terms i think we’re doing ok in terms of literacy and numeracy, which is as near to universal as you can realistically get, and I would expect the mouth-breather ratio is pretty similar in all countries, although I’d say we have neglected vocational training massively. Infrastructure point is bang on though and we should be way angrier about it than we are. If you’re making super cheap stuff, kinder egg toys or whatever, yeah wages are gonna be too high here, but if you’re making wind turbines or solar panels or something and it’s skilled labour I’m not sure that would be the case, especially if you then add on tariffs/shipping costs etc to get your products to the countries with the money to buy them. We need to adapt to what the future will look like in 20 years and I don’t see leaving the EU helping with that.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Sept 3, 2019 15:15:28 GMT
The remoaner mantra is “we didn’t vote to be poorer” yet you’ve just admitted low paid workers will be 0.2% poorer if we remain. See above I don’t mean to sound flippant, but your a boring cunt. You need to get over the fact you backed the wrong horse. You need to show a bit of grace and humility. 17.4m weighed up the pros and cons of leaving and arrived at a different conclusion than you did. Doesn’t mean they’re stupid or gullible or didn’t know what voting for. They just have a different opinion you. Thats it. Get over it
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 3, 2019 15:24:50 GMT
I don’t mean to sound flippant, but your a boring cunt. You need to get over the fact you backed the wrong horse. You need to show a bit of grace and humility. 17.4m weighed up the pros and cons of leaving and arrived at a different conclusion than you did. Doesn’t mean they’re stupid or gullible or didn’t know what voting for. They just have a different opinion you. Thats it. Get over it I don’t need to do owt mate. I’m under no obligations to get behind brexit, I think it’s stupid. And it does mean they didn’t know cos it wasn’t defined, they logically couldn’t have, nobody’s putting any blame on the voters. You’re the only person who has used the word stupid, get the chip off of your shoulder.
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Post by claw on Sept 3, 2019 15:32:52 GMT
I don’t mean to sound flippant, but your a boring cunt. You need to get over the fact you backed the wrong horse. You need to show a bit of grace and humility. 17.4m weighed up the pros and cons of leaving and arrived at a different conclusion than you did. Doesn’t mean they’re stupid or gullible or didn’t know what voting for. They just have a different opinion you. Thats it. Get over it And this is where I refer back to everything being a boxing match. Pathetic.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Sept 3, 2019 16:00:13 GMT
And today’s virtue signalling award goes to...
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Sept 3, 2019 17:42:47 GMT
I don’t mean to sound flippant, but your a boring cunt. You need to get over the fact you backed the wrong horse. You need to show a bit of grace and humility. 17.4m weighed up the pros and cons of leaving and arrived at a different conclusion than you did. Doesn’t mean they’re stupid or gullible or didn’t know what voting for. They just have a different opinion you. Thats it. Get over it And this is where I refer back to everything being a boxing match. Pathetic. Is that the boxing match where the winner has been declared, but the loser continues fighting until the judges change their mind? Or a football match where the ref blows the final whistle, but the losing team continues playing until they ‘win’?
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Post by Nice boy on Sept 3, 2019 18:26:32 GMT
I don’t mean to sound flippant, but your a boring cunt. You need to get over the fact you backed the wrong horse. You need to show a bit of grace and humility. 17.4m weighed up the pros and cons of leaving and arrived at a different conclusion than you did. Doesn’t mean they’re stupid or gullible or didn’t know what voting for. They just have a different opinion you. Thats it. Get over it. That's like voting conservative in the general election and telling the rest of the populace to get over it, suck it up and not discuss the potential pro's and con's of Tory leadership because Boris Johnson is charge and that's all that matters. Who cares if leave won? There's a debate to be had on both sides. How often do you rally behind things you disagree with?
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Sept 3, 2019 18:55:20 GMT
I don’t mean to sound flippant, but your a boring cunt. You need to get over the fact you backed the wrong horse. You need to show a bit of grace and humility. 17.4m weighed up the pros and cons of leaving and arrived at a different conclusion than you did. Doesn’t mean they’re stupid or gullible or didn’t know what voting for. They just have a different opinion you. Thats it. Get over it. That's like voting conservative in the general election and telling the rest of the populace to get over it, suck it up and not discuss the potential pro's and con's of Tory leadership because Boris Johnson is charge and that's all that matters. Who cares if leave won? There's a debate to be had on both sides. How often do you rally behind things you disagree with? I think you're missing the point. I'm not against debate and discussion. Or people expressing opinions. Its the total arrogance and complete disregard for the outcome of a referendum which, IMO, totally destroys the integrity of our system. Democracy means accepting the outcome of an election even if you don't agree with it. Otherwise whats the point? We might as well ceed all power to technocrats and 'experts' (which i think is what most remoaners really want despite their virtue signalling slogans). To use a shit analogy, Forest Green used every lower league tinpot shithousing tactic in the book to smash and grab a win against us. The referee was cunt. We can moan, critisise, call the ref a wanker untill the cows come home. But, once the whistle goes, the result stands. If we say we don't accept the result, then whole integrity of the competition crumbles because, if the complaint is upheld, every team will be disputing results when they lose. We can and should debate how and why we lost. But the result stands.
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Sept 3, 2019 19:25:38 GMT
We lost because we're shit m8.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Sept 3, 2019 20:05:12 GMT
We lost because we're shit m8. Thats the point, we lost fair and square.
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Post by northernmonkey on Sept 4, 2019 7:19:14 GMT
Explain what you think austerity is, you own words, not some so called expert that you continually search for. In the UK, which I was specifically referring to, the political decision to focus solely on reducing revenue expenditure instead of taking advantage the strong national credit rating at the time and historically low borrowing rates to make capital investments in infrastructure to deliver assets and short and long term economic benefits and therefore increased tax income. Be honest, you googled that didn't you?
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Post by northernmonkey on Sept 4, 2019 7:25:47 GMT
I don’t mean to sound flippant, but your a boring cunt. You need to get over the fact you backed the wrong horse. You need to show a bit of grace and humility. 17.4m weighed up the pros and cons of leaving and arrived at a different conclusion than you did. Doesn’t mean they’re stupid or gullible or didn’t know what voting for. They just have a different opinion you. Thats it. Get over it. That's like voting conservative in the general election and telling the rest of the populace to get over it, suck it up and not discuss the potential pro's and con's of Tory leadership because Boris Johnson is charge and that's all that matters. Who cares if leave won? There's a debate to be had on both sides. How often do you rally behind things you disagree with? Unfortunately far too many politicians share your undemocratic attitude which is why, all this time down the road from the vote, we're in a bigger mess than ever.
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Post by tetchyarse on Sept 11, 2019 18:03:24 GMT
Leave won the referendum.
The problem is Leave can't decide what sort of Leave they want. They bicker and moan amongst themselves. If every Leave MP had voted to Leave under any of the three votes held by May, we'd have already left. But they didn't, they voted against Leave, so we didn't Leave.
The fact you Leavers can't make your fucking mind up isn't anything to do with us Remainers.
If you Leavers can't even get Leave MPs to vote Leave...
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