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Post by Nice boy on Sept 2, 2019 14:31:27 GMT
Just a reminder, the thread is titled 'virtue signalling top trumps'. If you wish to discuss Brexit then please do so on here: thecowsarse.boards.net/thread/647/brexit
Anyone who continues to take the thread off topic will be receive 5 points against their name and a possible ban.
Also can you please stop the bickering as it's really upsetting me.
Thanks. Opinions on James Hanson? Absolute dogshit.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 14:32:08 GMT
Opinions on James Hanson? Absolute dogshit. Why do you think about proroguing?
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Post by Bacon on Sept 2, 2019 14:44:12 GMT
Remainer in peace.
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Sept 2, 2019 15:10:49 GMT
Parliament have nailed their colours to the remain mast. They've had 3 chances to vote to leave the EU with a deal. They had another chance to come up with an alternative. They failed to do either. Fuck them. I want to Leave and so do a majority. If this is how it is to be done then so be it. If you’re so confident it’s still a majority, would you be happy if we checked? If you have any evidence that there's no longer a majority then yeah, why not?
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 15:18:54 GMT
If you’re so confident it’s still a majority, would you be happy if we checked? If you have any evidence that there's no longer a majority then yeah, why not? Every poll since the referendum I think. Whatukthinks.org But then those are just polls, and put together by an expert, so I guess you won’t accept that.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Sept 2, 2019 15:19:40 GMT
Because voting leave automatically makes one a migrant hating Boris lover who didn’t know what they were voting for therefore their vote should be disregarded to ‘protect democracy’ Tbf, there’s no way anybody voting to leave could have known what they were voting for, not because they’re dumb but because it was an abstract concept that hadn’t been, and still hasn’t really, been defined in concrete terms. There is nothing abstract about voting to leave or remain in the EU. Parliament delegated the choice to the people in a referendum. We gave them an answer. It's their fucking job to carry out and implement the decision. Not piss, moan, backtrack and frustrate the will of 17.4m voters. Do most voters know the know the nuances of international law? Of course they fucking don't. But hey, thats democracy. Take it or leave it. Will Boris use No Deal to turn Britain into a deregulated neoliberal clusterfuck? Probably. But you want to blame someone? Blame the fake left plastic virtue signalling #fbpe cunt brigade that has backed Labour into a corner and destroyed any credible opposition. 'Real' labour now abandoned and their for the taking. Farage and co hovering like vultures. We'll end up with a Boris landslide and you cunts have only got yourselves to blame.
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Post by Bacon on Sept 2, 2019 15:21:59 GMT
Tbf, there’s no way anybody voting to leave could have known what they were voting for, not because they’re dumb but because it was an abstract concept that hadn’t been, and still hasn’t really, been defined in concrete terms. There is nothing abstract about voting to leave or remain in the EU. Parliament delegated the choice to the people in a referendum. We gave them an answer. It's their fucking job to carry out and implement the decision. Not piss, moan, backtrack and frustrate the will of 17.4m voters. Do most voters know the know the nuances of international law? Of course they fucking don't. But hey, thats democracy. Take it or leave it. Will Boris use No Deal to turn Britain into a deregulated neoliberal clusterfuck? Probably. But you want to blame someone? Blame the fake left plastic virtue signalling #fbpe cunt brigade that has backed Labour into a corner and destroyed any credible opposition. 'Real' labour now abandoned and their for the taking. Farage and co hovering like vultures. We'll end up with a Boris landslide and you cunts have only got yourselves to blame. Has moshimoshi changed his name on here? The phrase "you cunts" looks familiar.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 15:23:05 GMT
Tbf, there’s no way anybody voting to leave could have known what they were voting for, not because they’re dumb but because it was an abstract concept that hadn’t been, and still hasn’t really, been defined in concrete terms. There is nothing abstract about voting to leave or remain in the EU. Parliament delegated the choice to the people in a referendum. We gave them an answer. It's their fucking job to carry out and implement the decision. Not piss, moan, backtrack and frustrate the will of 17.4m voters. Do most voters know the know the nuances of international law? Of course they fucking don't. But hey, thats democracy. Take it or leave it. Will Boris use No Deal to turn Britain into a deregulated neoliberal clusterfuck? Probably. But you want to blame someone? Blame the fake left plastic virtue signalling #fbpe cunt brigade that has backed Labour into a corner and destroyed any credible opposition. 'Real' labour now abandoned and their for the taking. Farage and co hovering like vultures. We'll end up with a Boris landslide and you cunts have only got yourselves to blame. U ok hun?
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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 15:25:03 GMT
If you have any evidence that there's no longer a majority then yeah, why not? Every poll since the referendum I think. Whatukthinks.org But then those are just polls, and put together by an expert, so I guess you won’t accept that. The experts didn’t predict a leave victory did they? Neither did Camoron when he gave us racist/facists the vote. But what do experts no eh?
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 15:33:29 GMT
Tbf, there’s no way anybody voting to leave could have known what they were voting for, not because they’re dumb but because it was an abstract concept that hadn’t been, and still hasn’t really, been defined in concrete terms. There is nothing abstract about voting to leave or remain in the EU. Parliament delegated the choice to the people in a referendum. We gave them an answer. It's their fucking job to carry out and implement the decision. Not piss, moan, backtrack and frustrate the will of 17.4m voters. Do most voters know the know the nuances of international law? Of course they fucking don't. But hey, thats democracy. Take it or leave it. Will Boris use No Deal to turn Britain into a deregulated neoliberal clusterfuck? Probably. But you want to blame someone? Blame the fake left plastic virtue signalling #fbpe cunt brigade that has backed Labour into a corner and destroyed any credible opposition. 'Real' labour now abandoned and their for the taking. Farage and co hovering like vultures. We'll end up with a Boris landslide and you cunts have only got yourselves to blame. You are absolutely right, there is nothing abstract about voting either way. One of the options was however very much abstract. It’s very similar to Obama when he was elected under a manifesto of ‘change’. Change can mean whatever you want it to. ‘Leave’ could, and probably did, mean lots of different things to lots of different people. If it’s still the will of 17.4m people, or any number that is larger than the number of people who don’t want it crack on. But to say that it was well defined, when the leave campaign, and Farage for that matter, were touting Norway-style Brexit and it now looks most likely it’ll be WTO, is revisionism. It’s also a very big decision and makes sense to check. Most people wouldn’t buy a house without looking around more than once, and probably getting a survey. Maybe the vote was so close because loads of the remain vote was people thinking ‘unless it’s no deal, it’s not really worth it’ and if there was a second referendum it’d be 70-30 leave. Nobody knows what the people want now, and checking is the reasonable thing to do. Also if boris turns Britain into a neoliberal mini America, I’m gonna blame boris since he would have done it.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 15:35:25 GMT
Every poll since the referendum I think. Whatukthinks.org But then those are just polls, and put together by an expert, so I guess you won’t accept that. The experts didn’t predict a leave victory did they? Neither did Camoron when he gave us racist/facists the vote. But what do experts no eh? No, they didn’t. And they’re not know, if only there was a way to find out if they’re right.
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Post by Pyongyang Bantam on Sept 2, 2019 17:05:10 GMT
There is nothing abstract about voting to leave or remain in the EU. Parliament delegated the choice to the people in a referendum. We gave them an answer. It's their fucking job to carry out and implement the decision. Not piss, moan, backtrack and frustrate the will of 17.4m voters. Do most voters know the know the nuances of international law? Of course they fucking don't. But hey, thats democracy. Take it or leave it. Will Boris use No Deal to turn Britain into a deregulated neoliberal clusterfuck? Probably. But you want to blame someone? Blame the fake left plastic virtue signalling #fbpe cunt brigade that has backed Labour into a corner and destroyed any credible opposition. 'Real' labour now abandoned and their for the taking. Farage and co hovering like vultures. We'll end up with a Boris landslide and you cunts have only got yourselves to blame. You are absolutely right, there is nothing abstract about voting either way. One of the options was however very much abstract. It’s very similar to Obama when he was elected under a manifesto of ‘change’. Change can mean whatever you want it to. ‘Leave’ could, and probably did, mean lots of different things to lots of different people. If it’s still the will of 17.4m people, or any number that is larger than the number of people who don’t want it crack on. But to say that it was well defined, when the leave campaign, and Farage for that matter, were touting Norway-style Brexit and it now looks most likely it’ll be WTO, is revisionism. It’s also a very big decision and makes sense to check. Most people wouldn’t buy a house without looking around more than once, and probably getting a survey. Maybe the vote was so close because loads of the remain vote was people thinking ‘unless it’s no deal, it’s not really worth it’ and if there was a second referendum it’d be 70-30 leave. Nobody knows what the people want now, and checking is the reasonable thing to do. Also if boris turns Britain into a neoliberal mini America, I’m gonna blame boris since he would have done it. I think it is possible to vote on broad principles such as national sovereignty and independence without having to bog the debate down with technicalities. Thats the essence of democracy. The people ‘direct’ the government and the government and civil service, in turn, worry about the fine details and legislation. Thats their job. The problem is you have a pro EU political and academic establishment that isn’t, in my view, acting in good faith. They are actively trying to disrupt and ultimately reverse the process of leaving. .They’ll just say “oh well, we tried to get a deal, hey ho, hands are tied etc etc” when they have done nothing of the sort. And thats just the ones who pretend to respect the result like May, Hammond etc. The mess we are in is 100% on them. Not sure i take your point about the US. In many respects they are more heavily regulated than the UK is
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Sept 2, 2019 17:18:45 GMT
If you have any evidence that there's no longer a majority then yeah, why not? Every poll since the referendum I think. Whatukthinks.org But then those are just polls, and put together by an expert, so I guess you won’t accept that. OK. Let's imagine we have another poll. Remain wins by less than the 1.3m votes Leave won by. What then? Is that a mandate? Best of three?
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 18:56:00 GMT
Every poll since the referendum I think. Whatukthinks.org But then those are just polls, and put together by an expert, so I guess you won’t accept that. OK. Let's imagine we have another poll. Remain wins by less than the 1.3m votes Leave won by. What then? Is that a mandate? Best of three? Absolutely, personally I’d prefer a binding referendum instead of advisory and a majority of 1 to win. But both options have to be defined.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 19:03:31 GMT
You are absolutely right, there is nothing abstract about voting either way. One of the options was however very much abstract. It’s very similar to Obama when he was elected under a manifesto of ‘change’. Change can mean whatever you want it to. ‘Leave’ could, and probably did, mean lots of different things to lots of different people. If it’s still the will of 17.4m people, or any number that is larger than the number of people who don’t want it crack on. But to say that it was well defined, when the leave campaign, and Farage for that matter, were touting Norway-style Brexit and it now looks most likely it’ll be WTO, is revisionism. It’s also a very big decision and makes sense to check. Most people wouldn’t buy a house without looking around more than once, and probably getting a survey. Maybe the vote was so close because loads of the remain vote was people thinking ‘unless it’s no deal, it’s not really worth it’ and if there was a second referendum it’d be 70-30 leave. Nobody knows what the people want now, and checking is the reasonable thing to do. Also if boris turns Britain into a neoliberal mini America, I’m gonna blame boris since he would have done it. I think it is possible to vote on broad principles such as national sovereignty and independence without having to bog the debate down with technicalities. Thats the essence of democracy. The people ‘direct’ the government and the government and civil service, in turn, worry about the fine details and legislation. Thats their job. The problem is you have a pro EU political and academic establishment that isn’t, in my view, acting in good faith. They are actively trying to disrupt and ultimately reverse the process of leaving. .They’ll just say “oh well, we tried to get a deal, hey ho, hands are tied etc etc” when they have done nothing of the sort. And thats just the ones who pretend to respect the result like May, Hammond etc. The mess we are in is 100% on them. Not sure i take your point about the US. In many respects they are more heavily regulated than the UK is Mays ultimate aim was to keep the Torres together. If she’d reaches out to remainders she had half of parliament to get on her side, plus the Tory loyalists. Instead she chased the ERG votes, and ended up with something that was a horrible fudge cos all they want is no deal. And fine, you can debate concepts like that, but it has to be grounded in reality. The country was already sovereign, we had the best of both worlds. Norway would have been independence, so would no deal. There has to be some level of detail, and Leave had to be defined, otherwise it’s meaningless.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 19:18:00 GMT
I think it is possible to vote on broad principles such as national sovereignty and independence without having to bog the debate down with technicalities. Thats the essence of democracy. The people ‘direct’ the government and the government and civil service, in turn, worry about the fine details and legislation. Thats their job. The problem is you have a pro EU political and academic establishment that isn’t, in my view, acting in good faith. They are actively trying to disrupt and ultimately reverse the process of leaving. .They’ll just say “oh well, we tried to get a deal, hey ho, hands are tied etc etc” when they have done nothing of the sort. And thats just the ones who pretend to respect the result like May, Hammond etc. The mess we are in is 100% on them. Not sure i take your point about the US. In many respects they are more heavily regulated than the UK is Mays ultimate aim was to keep the Torres together. If she’d reaches out to remainders she had half of parliament to get on her side, plus the Tory loyalists. Instead she chased the ERG votes, and ended up with something that was a horrible fudge cos all they want is no deal. And fine, you can debate concepts like that, but it has to be grounded in reality. The country was already sovereign, we had the best of both worlds. Norway would have been independence, so would no deal. There has to be some level of detail, and Leave had to be defined, otherwise it’s meaningless. Best of both worlds? Seems a heck of a lot of people disagree with that.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 19:34:19 GMT
Mays ultimate aim was to keep the Torres together. If she’d reaches out to remainders she had half of parliament to get on her side, plus the Tory loyalists. Instead she chased the ERG votes, and ended up with something that was a horrible fudge cos all they want is no deal. And fine, you can debate concepts like that, but it has to be grounded in reality. The country was already sovereign, we had the best of both worlds. Norway would have been independence, so would no deal. There has to be some level of detail, and Leave had to be defined, otherwise it’s meaningless. Best of both worlds? Seems a heck of a lot of people disagree with that. All the benefits of full membership but a veto and independent monetary policy? Seems a pretty sweet deal compared to all the other countries.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 19:41:27 GMT
Best of both worlds? Seems a heck of a lot of people disagree with that. All the benefits of full membership but a veto and independent monetary policy? Seems a pretty sweet deal compared to all the other countries. What benefits? Have you seen the economic state of the countries in the EU? Not exactly a glowing endorsement of its membership is it?
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 19:43:54 GMT
All the benefits of full membership but a veto and independent monetary policy? Seems a pretty sweet deal compared to all the other countries. What benefits? Have you seen the economic state of the countries in the EU? Not exactly a glowing endorsement of its membership is it? Freedom of movement? Access to a common market of bare people? The strength of being in a bloc of bare people when making trade deals? Not having to go to war with yr neighbours for a bit?
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Post by Bacon on Sept 2, 2019 20:07:26 GMT
What benefits? Have you seen the economic state of the countries in the EU? Not exactly a glowing endorsement of its membership is it? Freedom of movement? Access to a common market of bare people? The strength of being in a bloc of bare people when making trade deals? Not having to go to war with yr neighbours for a bit? Common market of bare people? No cunts mentioned that. That's a massive vote winner.
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