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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 12:16:15 GMT
No point in asking me if i want it like this or like that, i'll leave that to the politicians to do the job they are well paid for. So yr against closing parliament to push through sumat politicians are against? I've taken very little interest in whats currently happening in parliament. I see Boris Johnson has upset a lot blue and yellow star adorned flag wavers by, as you quote, closing down parliament? You could close parliament down permanently for me, wouldn't miss any of them at all.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 12:17:55 GMT
Its in my DNA m8, holding the door open for wheelchairs, doffing my imaginary cap to rich people, bit like Jesus. Good old British values, makes you feel proud etc. etc. etc. Just been to Bakewell for a few days on a short break. Never felt so British. God bless you ma'am.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 12:20:54 GMT
So yr against closing parliament to push through sumat politicians are against? I've taken very little interest in whats currently happening in parliament. I see Boris Johnson has upset a lot blue and yellow star adorned flag wavers by, as you quote, closing down parliament? You could close parliament down permanently for me, wouldn't miss any of them at all. But you said you want the politicians to figure out how to do brexit?
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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 12:29:59 GMT
I've taken very little interest in whats currently happening in parliament. I see Boris Johnson has upset a lot blue and yellow star adorned flag wavers by, as you quote, closing down parliament? You could close parliament down permanently for me, wouldn't miss any of them at all. But you said you want the politicians to figure out how to do brexit? Wanting them to do and actually expecting them to do it are completely different things. You don't honestly think this lot could run a bath let alone decisions for the future of this country? One of the reasons i voted was to watch with delight the ensuing shitshow. For the record i'm genuinely not bothered at all whether we leave or stay, it will make no difference to how i live my life. I'll still be able to do everything i do now, don't let the media tell you any different. Planes won't fall out of the sky and shelves be empty of food, hospitals won't run out of medicine, its all complete bollocks. It wouldn't even bother me if all this was over turned and all went back to how it was before but thats not what people voted for, despite the bullshit in the media telling us otherwise. But that would render a majority vote in the commons useless, which goes against how the voting process works. Or do we just ignore the views of a majority?
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 12:40:15 GMT
But you said you want the politicians to figure out how to do brexit? Wanting them to do and actually expecting them to do it are completely different things. You don't honestly think this lot could run a bath let alone decisions for the future of this country? One of the reasons i voted was to watch with delight the ensuing shitshow. For the record i'm genuinely not bothered at all whether we leave or stay, it will make no difference to how i live my life. I'll still be able to do everything i do now, don't let the media tell you any different. Planes won't fall out of the sky and shelves be empty of food, hospitals won't run out of medicine, its all complete bollocks. It wouldn't even bother me if all this was over turned and all went back to how it was before but thats not what people voted for, despite the bullshit in the media telling us otherwise. But that would render a majority vote in the commons useless, which goes against how the voting process works. Or do we just ignore the views of a majority? I absolutely agree on yr first point. One of the main reasons I voted to stay is cos I don’t trust Westminster and want somebody to maintain oversight of it. It might not make that much difference to you personally, but it could to a lot of the country, and it could to the economy, and the damage could be significant and hit people with least the hardest. Personally I don’t think that risk is worth it for the delight of watching this shitshow (which I admit, I am enjoying). And no, we shouldn’t ignore the views of the majority, but it’s a long time since the majority voted, so it makes sense to check we’re still into this. Maybe the will of the people is no deal, in which case the people will vote for no deal, otherwise it’s not the will of the people in which case we shouldn’t be doing this.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 12:51:29 GMT
Wanting them to do and actually expecting them to do it are completely different things. You don't honestly think this lot could run a bath let alone decisions for the future of this country? One of the reasons i voted was to watch with delight the ensuing shitshow. For the record i'm genuinely not bothered at all whether we leave or stay, it will make no difference to how i live my life. I'll still be able to do everything i do now, don't let the media tell you any different. Planes won't fall out of the sky and shelves be empty of food, hospitals won't run out of medicine, its all complete bollocks. It wouldn't even bother me if all this was over turned and all went back to how it was before but thats not what people voted for, despite the bullshit in the media telling us otherwise. But that would render a majority vote in the commons useless, which goes against how the voting process works. Or do we just ignore the views of a majority? I absolutely agree on yr first point. One of the main reasons I voted to stay is cos I don’t trust Westminster and want somebody to maintain oversight of it. It might not make that much difference to you personally, but it could to a lot of the country, and it could to the economy, and the damage could be significant and hit people with least the hardest. Personally I don’t think that risk is worth it for the delight of watching this shitshow (which I admit, I am enjoying). And no, we shouldn’t ignore the views of the majority, but it’s a long time since the majority voted, so it makes sense to check we’re still into this. Maybe the will of the people is no deal, in which case the people will vote for no deal, otherwise it’s not the will of the people in which case we shouldn’t be doing this. I honestly don't think it will make any difference, its the media that have whipped it into a shitstorm. I'm not politically motivated, i've been able to vote for nearly thirty years and i've voted twice, once when i was 18 and the last in the brexit referendum. And that was for the same reason as you , i don't trust westminister, but then i don't trust any politician. I wanted to see them have to actually deal with a problem that they all created in the first place and guess what? They've failed miserably. Now, instead of having reasoned debate on the subject, we have loons on both sides of the argument throwing petty insults at each other, 'remoaners or nazi scum' take your pick.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 13:13:59 GMT
I absolutely agree on yr first point. One of the main reasons I voted to stay is cos I don’t trust Westminster and want somebody to maintain oversight of it. It might not make that much difference to you personally, but it could to a lot of the country, and it could to the economy, and the damage could be significant and hit people with least the hardest. Personally I don’t think that risk is worth it for the delight of watching this shitshow (which I admit, I am enjoying). And no, we shouldn’t ignore the views of the majority, but it’s a long time since the majority voted, so it makes sense to check we’re still into this. Maybe the will of the people is no deal, in which case the people will vote for no deal, otherwise it’s not the will of the people in which case we shouldn’t be doing this. I honestly don't think it will make any difference, its the media that have whipped it into a shitstorm. I'm not politically motivated, i've been able to vote for nearly thirty years and i've voted twice, once when i was 18 and the last in the brexit referendum. And that was for the same reason as you , i don't trust westminister, but then i don't trust any politician. I wanted to see them have to actually deal with a problem that they all created in the first place and guess what? They've failed miserably. Now, instead of having reasoned debate on the subject, we have loons on both sides of the argument throwing petty insults at each other, 'remoaners or nazi scum' take your pick. What are you basing that on? Cos I haven’t seen any forecasts that show minimal impact. For what it’s worth I’ve voted every time I’ve been allowed to, and ‘lost’ every time.
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Sept 2, 2019 13:17:00 GMT
I've taken very little interest in whats currently happening in parliament. I see Boris Johnson has upset a lot blue and yellow star adorned flag wavers by, as you quote, closing down parliament? You could close parliament down permanently for me, wouldn't miss any of them at all. But you said you want the politicians to figure out how to do brexit? They couldn't manage it in 3yrs. Why is an extra few days going to make any difference? And if they were soooo concerned about no deal then why didn't they vote for the deal? Or come up with a plan when they held the alternative votes?
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 13:24:18 GMT
But you said you want the politicians to figure out how to do brexit? They couldn't manage it in 3yrs. Why is an extra few days going to make any difference? And if they were soooo concerned about no deal then why didn't they vote for the deal? Or come up with a plan when they held the alternative votes? The law is that parliament, not the government, is sovereign. Closing parliament goes against that by allowing the government the final say in leaving on WTO rules. Even if they wouldn’t have accomplished owt, it’s still up to parliament. Otherwise where is the representation for anyone other than the 12m people that voted Tory last time, or people that voted Tory but are against no deal? Because no deal < the deal on offer < staying. Also cos party loyalty. Also cos it’s the responsibility of the people that want to leave to come up with sumat as good or better than staying.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 13:24:42 GMT
I honestly don't think it will make any difference, its the media that have whipped it into a shitstorm. I'm not politically motivated, i've been able to vote for nearly thirty years and i've voted twice, once when i was 18 and the last in the brexit referendum. And that was for the same reason as you , i don't trust westminister, but then i don't trust any politician. I wanted to see them have to actually deal with a problem that they all created in the first place and guess what? They've failed miserably. Now, instead of having reasoned debate on the subject, we have loons on both sides of the argument throwing petty insults at each other, 'remoaners or nazi scum' take your pick. What are you basing that on? Cos I haven’t seen any forecasts that show minimal impact. For what it’s worth I’ve voted every time I’ve been allowed to, and ‘lost’ every time. Based it on nothing, don't believe anything that comes out of the media. Lived long enough now to work out bullshit when i hear it. Just my own opinion. As for my vote 'winning'. Not won anything, all i wanted it to prove was that Westminster is one big useless old boys club that isn't fit for purpose. Its proved my point so i guess i could its as close to a win as i'm ever gonna get.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 13:31:27 GMT
What are you basing that on? Cos I haven’t seen any forecasts that show minimal impact. For what it’s worth I’ve voted every time I’ve been allowed to, and ‘lost’ every time. Based it on nothing, don't believe anything that comes out of the media. Lived long enough now to work out bullshit when i hear it. Just my own opinion. As for my vote 'winning'. Not won anything, all i wanted it to prove was that Westminster is one big useless old boys club that isn't fit for purpose. Its proved my point so i guess i could its as close to a win as i'm ever gonna get. Lose/win probably isn’t the right word, but I couldn’t figure out what was. Westminster is bollocks, but I think we might be risking chucking out the baby with the bath water.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 13:39:06 GMT
Based it on nothing, don't believe anything that comes out of the media. Lived long enough now to work out bullshit when i hear it. Just my own opinion. As for my vote 'winning'. Not won anything, all i wanted it to prove was that Westminster is one big useless old boys club that isn't fit for purpose. Its proved my point so i guess i could its as close to a win as i'm ever gonna get. Lose/win probably isn’t the right word, but I couldn’t figure out what was. Westminster is bollocks, but I think we might be risking chucking out the baby with the bath water. Could be right, who knows?
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Sept 2, 2019 13:43:52 GMT
They couldn't manage it in 3yrs. Why is an extra few days going to make any difference? And if they were soooo concerned about no deal then why didn't they vote for the deal? Or come up with a plan when they held the alternative votes? The law is that parliament, not the government, is sovereign. Closing parliament goes against that by allowing the government the final say in leaving on WTO rules. Even if they wouldn’t have accomplished owt, it’s still up to parliament. Otherwise where is the representation for anyone other than the 12m people that voted Tory last time, or people that voted Tory but are against no deal? Because no deal < the deal on offer < staying. Also cos party loyalty. Also cos it’s the responsibility of the people that want to leave to come up with sumat as good or better than staying. Parliament have nailed their colours to the remain mast. They've had 3 chances to vote to leave the EU with a deal. They had another chance to come up with an alternative. They failed to do either. Fuck them. I want to Leave and so do a majority. If this is how it is to be done then so be it.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 13:46:35 GMT
The law is that parliament, not the government, is sovereign. Closing parliament goes against that by allowing the government the final say in leaving on WTO rules. Even if they wouldn’t have accomplished owt, it’s still up to parliament. Otherwise where is the representation for anyone other than the 12m people that voted Tory last time, or people that voted Tory but are against no deal? Because no deal < the deal on offer < staying. Also cos party loyalty. Also cos it’s the responsibility of the people that want to leave to come up with sumat as good or better than staying. Parliament have nailed their colours to the remain mast. They've had 3 chances to vote to leave the EU with a deal. They had another chance to come up with an alternative. They failed to do either. Fuck them. I want to Leave and so do a majority. If this is how it is to be done then so be it. If you’re so confident it’s still a majority, would you be happy if we checked? Why did the ERG vote against the deal if they want to leave so badly? I’m pretty sure most MPs have said they want to leave, but not so much that they’re willing to be reckless about it. Maybe some of the people who really really want to leave need to come up with a sensible way of achieving that?
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 13:49:41 GMT
Lose/win probably isn’t the right word, but I couldn’t figure out what was. Westminster is bollocks, but I think we might be risking chucking out the baby with the bath water. Could be right, who knows? Experts?
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Post by northernmonkey on Sept 2, 2019 13:54:46 GMT
Parliament have nailed their colours to the remain mast. They've had 3 chances to vote to leave the EU with a deal. They had another chance to come up with an alternative. They failed to do either. Fuck them. I want to Leave and so do a majority. If this is how it is to be done then so be it. If you’re so confident it’s still a majority, would you be happy if we checked? If we check and people still want to leave I reckon we should check again after that, just to make sure the thick racists understood which box they were ticking.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 13:59:26 GMT
If you’re so confident it’s still a majority, would you be happy if we checked? If we check and people still want to leave I reckon we should check again after that, just to make sure the thick racists understood which box they were ticking. Way to answer the question! Good for you! We won’t need to check if it’s a concrete proposition. Doesn’t even have to be that detailed, could just be we’ll leave on WTO terms/we’ll leave on terms of deal agreed by government. Whatever you think is the best way to leave. Nobody here has said thick or racist. I’ve said ‘wasn’t made clear what leave meant’. No blame on voters, all blame on the campaign. Get that chip off your shoulder.
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Post by Neshead on Sept 2, 2019 14:26:40 GMT
Could be right, who knows? Experts? Nah, all so called experta have an agenda driven opinion. People then take that opinion and blow it out of all proportion because they think it makes them look clever.
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Post by Nice boy on Sept 2, 2019 14:28:18 GMT
Just a reminder, the thread is titled 'virtue signalling top trumps'. If you wish to discuss Brexit then please do so on here: thecowsarse.boards.net/thread/647/brexit
Anyone who continues to take the thread off topic will be incur 5 points against their name and a possible ban.
Also can you please stop the bickering as it's really upsetting me.
Thanks.
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Post by rahicscissorbudget on Sept 2, 2019 14:29:34 GMT
Just a reminder, the thread is titled 'virtue signalling top trumps'. If you wish to discuss Brexit then please do so on here: thecowsarse.boards.net/thread/647/brexit
Anyone who continues to take the thread off topic will be receive 5 points against their name and a possible ban.
Also can you please stop the bickering as it's really upsetting me.
Thanks. Opinions on James Hanson?
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