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Post by jose on Jul 29, 2018 13:54:33 GMT
and tactics.
Or tic tacs.
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Post by mikehunt on Jul 29, 2018 18:08:25 GMT
and tactics. Or tic tacs. What’s the difference? Asking for a PE teacher friend and his two colleagues.
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Post by Dick on Jul 29, 2018 18:30:57 GMT
It's human nature. As soon as we hit a bad result or the team need a half time reshuffle, those in that dressing room will be thinking 'what the fuck do you know? You've never managed and were a part time coach at Halifax a few weeks ago' The likes of Gerrard, Lampard or at this level, Joey Barton, at least have a prestigious playing career to command a degree of credibility. They can also point to having played under some of the best managers in the game. Anyone can talk the talk in pre-season, but once shit gets real, that's when people come under scrutiny. The cunts who compare Collins to Lampard and Gerrard do my head in. Champions League winners, dominant forces at the top level for many years, internationals with vast playing experience learning from the best managers, staff, sports scientists and coaching set ups money can buy. Yeah. But to a gomper its they all start on the same level so all that is worth nothing. What a thick cunt I am for not seeing that. Imaging beimg 3-0 down at the likes of Blackpool again half time - are you going to listen to the likes of Gerrard; who won the Champions League when all hope was lost and with his rexord of dragging Liverpoolfrom the brink on numerous occasions, or the PE teacher?
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Post by billycasper on Jul 29, 2018 19:17:24 GMT
It's human nature. As soon as we hit a bad result or the team need a half time reshuffle, those in that dressing room will be thinking 'what the fuck do you know? You've never managed and were a part time coach at Halifax a few weeks ago' The likes of Gerrard, Lampard or at this level, Joey Barton, at least have a prestigious playing career to command a degree of credibility. They can also point to having played under some of the best managers in the game. Anyone can talk the talk in pre-season, but once shit gets real, that's when people come under scrutiny. The cunts who compare Collins to Lampard and Gerrard do my head in. Champions League winners, dominant forces at the top level for many years, internationals with vast playing experience learning from the best managers, staff, sports scientists and coaching set ups money can buy. Yeah. But to a gomper its they all start on the same level so all that is worth nothing. What a thick cunt I am for not seeing that. Imaging beimg 3-0 down at the likes of Blackpool again half time - are you going to listen to the likes of Gerrard; who won the Champions League when all hope was lost and with his rexord of dragging Liverpoolfrom the brink on numerous occasions, or the PE teacher? Or the German with his new balance trainers and his "I'm Edin and I'm here to help" badge on.
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Post by citygentile on Jul 29, 2018 19:29:02 GMT
Previous pre-seasons have seen me either optimistic or pessimistic to varying degrees. I haven't got a clue this time around. There's too many unknowns to form an educated opinion.
I think a lot depends on who's actually in charge and making the critical decisions. If it's all being left to Collins then I fear the worst, just because he's so inexperienced. If it's Abbott that's actually pulling all the strings then I think they'll fair better. Mostly because I think he'll make sure they're defensively sound if nowt else.
I still think the squad's far too lean and they're going to have to be lucky with injuries and strengthen in January or risk burning players out again. Whether Wyke remains is critical as well. There's not much fire power without him and I can't see them getting a decent replacement in if he does leave.
Despite what The Gompers may think, I've never wanted to see a City team fail. You can still be a supporter and be critical or question those in charge. I'd love to be completely wrong and see City challenging come next May.
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Post by Train (F-2547) on Jul 30, 2018 15:02:29 GMT
we will finish 4th.
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Jul 30, 2018 15:11:06 GMT
Show your workings please
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Post by Train (F-2547) on Jul 30, 2018 15:43:55 GMT
Show your workings please 3 other teams above us
Us
remaining teams below us.
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Post by Attentive Onlooker on Jul 30, 2018 15:50:13 GMT
Show your workings please 3 other teams above us
Us
remaining teams below us.
I say 4th too.
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Post by moshimoshi on Jul 30, 2018 17:19:19 GMT
Mid table at best. No goals, zero depth up front and out wide. It’s a good job it’s such a shit league.
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Post by billycasper on Jul 30, 2018 18:34:55 GMT
Mid table at best. No goals, zero depth up front and out wide. It’s a good job it’s such a shit league. That's the spirit.
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Post by moshimoshi on Jul 30, 2018 20:21:05 GMT
Mid table at best. No goals, zero depth up front and out wide. It’s a good job it’s such a shit league. That's the spirit. That’s without even mentioning the “coaching team”. Baffled by the amount of folks predicting play off spots or even better.
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Post by onside on Jul 30, 2018 21:56:18 GMT
I really can’t predict where we will finish, quality signings but it is that lack of experience that is giving me sleepless nights. He could be an absolute find, but also the opposite under the pressure of trying to gain promotion. Then there is the striker problem, no idea who we might bring in, but will be amazed if we actually bring in quality, if we do it most certainly will help alleviate the anxiety.
All this positivity is getting on my nerves as well, and a plague on anyone who challenges or questions the way things have been run at the club. Well there is no hiding place for Edin and co now, it’s his baby!!
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Post by Neshead on Jul 30, 2018 21:59:38 GMT
I really can’t predict where we will finish, quality signings but it is that lack of experience that is giving me sleepless nights. He could be an absolute find, but also the opposite under the pressure of trying to gain promotion. Then there is the striker problem, no idea who we might bring in, but will be amazed if we actually bring in quality, if we do it most certainly will help alleviate the anxiety. All this positivity is getting on my nerves as well, and a plague on anyone who challenges or questions the way things have been run at the club. Well there is no hiding place for Edin and co now, it’s his baby!! You can't mention anything negative, it might upset the players.
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Post by ncbantam on Jul 30, 2018 22:28:07 GMT
Depends upon Wyke and if we keep him for the full season. With Wyke, I would also go with mid-table, nothing better than that. Otherwise, relegation territory given what we have seen so far in the friendlies, mixed with Collins' inexperience and compounded with loads of interference from "I know football" Rahic. Collins out by mid year if not before. I am not looking forward to this season at all...
HITC reporting Wyke to Sunderland, replacement will be Eoin Doyle, last season on loan at Oldham...
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Post by Bacon on Jul 31, 2018 8:33:46 GMT
Are people here suggesting that Collins might be a worse coach than, say, McCall? Now don't get me wrong, I love Stuart and apparently so does everyone else (except Edin). But other than being a great guy and motivator of men he was a shite manager. He thought tactics were those little mints. Let's not make McCall in to a stick to beat Collins with because he was no Ferguson (not even Darren) and his absence from a current managers job isn't an accident.
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Post by Nice boy on Jul 31, 2018 9:07:39 GMT
Depends upon Wyke and if we keep him for the full season. With Wyke, I would also go with mid-table, nothing better than that. Otherwise, relegation territory given what we have seen so far in the friendlies, mixed with Collins' inexperience and compounded with loads of interference from "I know football" Rahic. Collins out by mid year if not before. I am not looking forward to this season at all...
HITC reporting Wyke to Sunderland, replacement will be Eoin Doyle, last season on loan at Oldham...
I've got a funny feeling Wyke will stay, but I'd take Doyle out of the 2.
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Post by Hobhead on Jul 31, 2018 9:24:27 GMT
Are people here suggesting that Collins might be a worse coach than, say, McCall? Now don't get me wrong, I love Stuart and apparently so does everyone else (except Edin). But other than being a great guy and motivator of men he was a shite manager. He thought tactics were those little mints. Let's not make McCall in to a stick to beat Collins with because he was no Ferguson (not even Darren) and his absence from a current managers job isn't an accident. I didn’t rate him as a manager either and his worrying about shit opposition infuriated me and his overthinking lead to an overplaying style of football on the pitch that was in its own way, every bit as dull as some of Parky’s fare. His fifteen minute discussions with Kenny Black about substitutions only to go too late and like-for-like was also fucking infuriating. That said I’ve got to give him a lot of credit for getting as much out of that squad as he did. To get that close to The Championship with a squad like that was no mean feat.
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Post by Hoochy on Jul 31, 2018 9:41:09 GMT
I don't think Stuart every successfully turned around a shite situation with us, Motherwell or us again. Good when things were going well but didn't have that extra to pick people up from the floor. That's when you need to be a bit of a ruthless bastard and he's too loyal.
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Post by Dennis on Jul 31, 2018 9:47:45 GMT
Are people here suggesting that Collins might be a worse coach than, say, McCall? Now don't get me wrong, I love Stuart and apparently so does everyone else (except Edin). But other than being a great guy and motivator of men he was a shite manager. He thought tactics were those little mints. Let's not make McCall in to a stick to beat Collins with because he was no Ferguson (not even Darren) and his absence from a current managers job isn't an accident. I agree with most of that. Stuart was certainly one of the best players I've ever seen at VP. But as a manager, I'd put him in the 'average' category and somebody who struggles when things are going awry in the game and attaches too much importance on how the oppo might play. And his results in key cup type games doesn't even get him to the average level! At this stage Collins is an unknown quantity. He's inexperienced, he doesn't have a great track record behind him and I'm not sure just how he has influenced the building of the new squad. But he deserves a chance at this stage. We'll soon see whether he has what it takes or whether somebody else is pulling the strings. I hope he hasn't finished finished building the squad because at this stage imo we are still short of a conventional fullback (that may or may not be Mellor), another body in midfield to give some options (I don't see either Reeves or Devine filling that role) and somebody additional to Wyke to hit the back of the net (or two if Wyke leaves). If we don't strengthen the squad further, I don't see us doing as well as last season; with 3 more better quality players, I can see us established in the top half or maybe in the play-off spots if Collins turns out to be the coach we want him to be.
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